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Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 8 @ 10:45 AM ET
It should help.

The concern I would have is that NOTHING makes a difference as much as a winning team.

Ottawa has been a playoff team, for a while now, but NOBODY considers them a contending team and EVERYBODY (including Sens fans) were shocked they went as far as they did last year. EVERYBODY also knows that they had a lot of breaks go their way to get there.

Are they going to improve? I don't think many people outside of Ottawa fans believe that. In the very near future there will be an issue signing Karlsson (although I suspect they get it done). The minor league team was horrible last year. Pinning future hopes on an american college center and a Dman from the Q does not sound promising.

Bottom line... Ottawa is not set up to be a perpetual contender and there is every possibility they start regressing. That may hurt attendance as much as a new arena helps it.

Besides... you listed a bunch of very valid reasons why Ottawa struggles with attendance (comparatively). Not many of those reasons go away with a new arena.

- Aetherial


thing is there will be virtually no parking around the arena and the LRT will be the primary way for people get home.

instead of whining about the parking lot in kanata, sens fans will have something new to whine about. the downtown LRT.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Sep 8 @ 11:04 AM ET
having to drive 30 minutes to the arena would stop only the most casual of fans from attending games. a move to a more favourable location would probably see little if any increase in attendance outside of years where the on-ice product is elite. long-term it will probably make no meaningful difference. it looks like the existing local habs, bruins, leafs fans etc are pretty loyal with no signs of converting. the population is large enough to sell out every game with ease if they were all sens fans. that's not the case. it's been what, 25 years? it is a bit surprising that they haven't won everyone over yet. makes you wonder how successful a 2nd toronto franchise would actually be since it could be argued that people in the gta are leafs fans first and hockey fans 2nd.
- daeth




From downtown Ottawa to the CTC, on a game night, is not a 30 minute drive.

It's closer to 50 - 60 minutes on a game night, during the week, at the same time as people are leaving work.

When I go to games, that start at 7:30, I leave (South end) around 5 pm, to arrive in time to park, and get into the Arena by about 6:45.

I have explored using public transportation, but it's never been a viable option for anyone living in the core of the city, Gatineau, the south end of the east end of Ottawa.


The CTC is located on the western edge of Ottawa, the vast majority of people are arriving along the same routes for the east.

A centrally located arena resolves a lot of the commuting issues, as everyone will be arriving from all directions by public transportation.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Sep 8 @ 11:06 AM ET
thing is there will be virtually no parking around the arena and the LRT will be the primary way for people get home.

instead of whining about the parking lot in kanata, sens fans will have something new to whine about. the downtown LRT.

- Tumbleweed



No, not really.......... it will be the best option. It would mean not driving, not paying for parking, and having more money to spend at games, and only be about a 30-45 minute commute each way for me (as an example)
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Liljegren tanked to get the Leafs
Joined: 07.14.2011

Sep 8 @ 11:09 AM ET
i wouldnt go to a redblacks game even if you paid me $50. i don't get how they are stealing entertainment dollars from the sens.
- daeth

Do you know Guy Boucher?
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 8 @ 11:09 AM ET
No, not really.......... it will be the best option. It would mean not driving, not paying for parking, and having more money to spend at games, and only be about a 30-45 minute commute each way for me (as an example)
- D0PPELGANGER


sure. if you get on the 1st train out.

90% of people will be getting on the 2nd, 3rd, 4th or later train out.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: Brian Boyle is better than Patrick Marleau - Dopps, SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Sep 8 @ 11:21 AM ET
i wouldnt go to a redblacks game even if you paid me $50. i don't get how they are stealing entertainment dollars from the sens.
- daeth


You're missing out.

Maybe.

Come to a Rider game.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: degenerate gamblers like yourself usually end up getting the big payoff. just keep at it.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Sep 8 @ 11:24 AM ET
No, not really.......... it will be the best option. It would mean not driving, not paying for parking, and having more money to spend at games, and only be about a 30-45 minute commute each way for me (as an example)
- D0PPELGANGER


Well I hope it works out better for you than it is for Toronto. I am an hour outside in Guelph.

I either have to drive to a Subway station and spend 30 min each way on the subway and THEN drive home. Or I try to take the Go train, but it often doesn't run late enough to get me back to my car.

The moral of the story is don't necessarily think public transit will be adequate. It is (frank)ing miserable in the GTA
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: Brian Boyle is better than Patrick Marleau - Dopps, SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Sep 8 @ 11:28 AM ET
Well I hope it works out better for you than it is for Toronto. I am an hour outside in Guelph.

I either have to drive to a Subway station and spend 30 min each way on the subway and THEN drive home. Or I try to take the Go train, but it often doesn't run late enough to get me back to my car.

The moral of the story is don't necessarily think public transit will be adequate. It is (frank)ing miserable in the GTA

- Aetherial


And yet works just fine in Vancouver.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: degenerate gamblers like yourself usually end up getting the big payoff. just keep at it.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Sep 8 @ 11:42 AM ET
And yet works just fine in Vancouver.
- BINGO!


Works fine in Toronto.

I am talking about the surrounding parts of the GTA.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: Brian Boyle is better than Patrick Marleau - Dopps, SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Sep 8 @ 11:45 AM ET
Works fine in Toronto.

I am talking about the surrounding parts of the GTA.

- Aetherial


Ah I getcha.

I have no frame of reference for this sort of thing. Everything's too far apart here so we all just drive the 3+ hours to events.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: degenerate gamblers like yourself usually end up getting the big payoff. just keep at it.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Sep 8 @ 11:59 AM ET
Ah I getcha.

I have no frame of reference for this sort of thing. Everything's too far apart here so we all just drive the 3+ hours to events.

- BINGO!




Guelph is a good hour from a subway station, in decent traffic or at least 30-40 minutes from a Go Station.

BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: Brian Boyle is better than Patrick Marleau - Dopps, SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Sep 8 @ 12:15 PM ET


Guelph is a good hour from a subway station, in decent traffic or at least 30-40 minutes from a Go Station.

- Aetherial


It's a 3 hours drive to Regina or Saskatoon for CFL or NLL games from here. 5 to Calgary if you want to see an NHL game. Do it all the time. Gotta go that far if you want to get to an airport anyway.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: degenerate gamblers like yourself usually end up getting the big payoff. just keep at it.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Sep 8 @ 1:29 PM ET
It's a 3 hours drive to Regina or Saskatoon for CFL or NLL games from here. 5 to Calgary if you want to see an NHL game. Do it all the time. Gotta go that far if you want to get to an airport anyway.
- BINGO!


holy crap Bingo you really are out it boonies
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 8 @ 1:44 PM ET
holy crap Bingo you really are out it boonies
- Aetherial


he's probably in Luseland or Big Beaver
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: Brian Boyle is better than Patrick Marleau - Dopps, SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Sep 8 @ 1:47 PM ET
he's probably in Luseland or Big Beaver
- Tumbleweed


Swift Current.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 8 @ 1:48 PM ET
Swift Current.
- BINGO!


have you been to Climax?
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: Brian Boyle is better than Patrick Marleau - Dopps, SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Sep 8 @ 1:51 PM ET
have you been to Climax?
- Tumbleweed


Many, many times.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 8 @ 1:52 PM ET
Many, many times.
- BINGO!


Saskatchewan has the best town names
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Sep 8 @ 2:59 PM ET
Sometimes if I am having a bad day ..I think to myself.. Auston Matthews is a Toronto Maple Leaf ..and that helps
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Sep 8 @ 3:20 PM ET
sure. if you get on the 1st train out.

90% of people will be getting on the 2nd, 3rd, 4th or later train out.

- Tumbleweed


For me, it'll be the first train going east, and others will take the first train going west, from either the pisimi station or the Bayview station (one on each side of the arena) departing every five minutes or so before and after games, that will carry 10,700 passengers per hour, each way..... so 100% of the people who use the new LRT will be on their way in way less than an hour after a game ends

Plus there's also the north south line (already in operation) that many other people will take ......... it departs every 8 minutes or so, from the Bayview station (beside new arena)


There will also be buses to Gatineau as well I suspect.

It will be a much better exit from games than the mess we currently have.


Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 8 @ 3:25 PM ET
For me, it'll be the first train going east, and others will take the first train going west, from either the pisimi station or the Bayview station (one on each side of the arena) departing every five minutes or so before and after games, that will carry 10,700 passengers per hour, each way..... so 100% of the people who use the new LRT will be on their way in way less than an hour after a game ends

Plus there's also the north south line (already in operation) that many other people will take ......... it departs every 8 minutes or so, from the Bayview station (beside new arena)


There will also be buses to Gatineau as well I suspect.

It will be a much better exit from games than the mess we currently have.

- D0PPELGANGER


you've never rode the ttc at peak hours. doesn't ride quite so smoothly.

and d0pps, it govt run. it won't run right. i can't believe i'm arguing about this with you.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Sep 8 @ 3:40 PM ET
you've never rode the ttc at peak hours. doesn't ride quite so smoothly.

and d0pps, it govt run. it won't run right. i can't believe i'm arguing about this with you.

- Tumbleweed



Let's keep in mind that Ottawa has a population under 1 million people.

Approximately 40% of the workforce in the Ottawa Gatineau area work for the Federal Government, either as an full-time employee, or on contract.

They all have "Flex" hours, and can start as early as 7AM, or arrive as late a 10AM .... and leave work after their 7.5 hours of work, accordingly.

The current BRT system, with it's buses only roads, works like a charm, and has won awards a few times over the past couple of decades.





I doubt it will be anything like the TTC, having to service a population base of more than 6.5 million people.....that 6 times that of Ottawa.
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: What year is this?, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Sep 8 @ 3:50 PM ET
Let's keep in mind that Ottawa has a population under 1 million people.

Approximately 40% of the workforce in the Ottawa Gatineau area work for the Federal Government, either as an full-time employee, or on contract.

They all have "Flex" hours, and can start as early as 7AM, or arrive as late a 10AM .... and leave work after their 7.5 hours of work, accordingly.

The current BRT system, with it's buses only roads, works like a charm, and has won awards a few times over the past couple of decades.





I doubt it will be anything like the TTC, having to service a population base of more than 6.5 million people.....that 6 times that of Ottawa.

- D0PPELGANGER

why's the traffic on the roads so bad during rush hour then
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 8 @ 4:19 PM ET
why's the traffic on the roads so bad during rush hour then
- daeth


because of the bus only roads with unused capacity
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 8 @ 4:28 PM ET
Sometimes if I am having a bad day ..I think to myself.. Auston Matthews is a Toronto Maple Leaf ..and that helps
- senstroll



i just pulled a solid Matthes rookie card today.

i feel the same as you x3 (willarner)
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