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spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 27 @ 6:52 AM ET
Another disappointing round of inadequate comments. Most Leaf fan are pretty astute hockey observers. But, except for Prock, most of you guys are pretty feeble when it comes to your hockey awareness.

I am constantly disappointed by the quality of your commentary.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jul 27 @ 8:10 AM ET
Another disappointing round of inadequate comments. Most Leaf fan are pretty astute hockey observers. But, except for Prock, most of you guys are pretty feeble when it comes to your hockey awareness.

I am constantly disappointed by the quality of your commentary.

- spatso



Says the guy who just yesterday posted some rambling nonsensical bullpoop about what a #2 dman is




systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jul 27 @ 8:36 AM ET
So Spatso is taking it out on Leaf fans that his geezer team signed another geezer. The old Sens getting older. Theyll get younger when they trade Karlsson and replace him with a better player in Chabot.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 27 @ 8:37 AM ET
Who said Condon was great??? The turds had a .564 pts % with him in net. And a .675 pts % with Anderson in net. And Condon wasn't bad last year, he was pretty average.

Anderson had an exceptional year, for him. Pretty close to career. And the turds pts% was .675 with him in net.

so if you're argument is that they didn't need great goaltending to win, and you're pointing to Condon playing half the games, you've failed quite miserably. With Condon in net, the turds played to the place of about 11th place. I think when you look at how the team was with Condon, it's quite clear they needed the goaltending to carry them.

- prock


Who? GreatGigInTheSky




It means the team system revolves around trying to allow as little shots as possible and having all your players on the ice block the path to the net. Just like the way the Rangers played in their own zone for so many years. Also means you're being hemmed in your own zone a lot.

And still, your goaltending is what got you to the playoffs.

No, not "lucky goaltending". Great goaltending. It's highly unlikely that the goaltending, which was the backbone of the team, will be as great next season.

- GreatGigInTheSky
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jul 27 @ 8:40 AM ET
Who? GreatGigInTheSky
- D0PPELGANGER



overall the turds got VERY good goaktending. condom was decent. average. Anderson would probably have been in contention for the vezina if he played like that the full year. but he never plays a full season. Anderson played about as well as he has his entire career. but it's unlikely to repeat. especially at his age.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 27 @ 8:42 AM ET
Sorry, it is pretty basic. #2 is not your 2nd best Dman. #2 plays with #1 and plays the defensive more physical, complementary role. #3 is the lead Dman on your second unit. #4 is paired with #3. #5 and #6 play together on your 3rd unit.

Not sure Karlsson would be an effective #2. Not sure Chabot is suited to play as a number 2.

I am fine with Chabot as a 3 or 5. He will not be a #1 in OTTAWA for many years. I am also okay with Ottawa being open to dealing Chabot. I was not in favour of Chabot for Drouin. It was discussed extensively. But there are young players that make sense. If Draisaitl holds out for $75m. over 8 years Edmonton gets caught in a Wicked squeeze. They will do what is best for the Oilers. But I just don't see them wanting to start next year with $28.5m committed to 3 centres.

Chabot is the real deal. Lots of scouts think he is going to be a dominate NHL Dman. I don't if he is as good as the scouting services report. He might be better. But, very good chance, his trade value may never be higher than it is today.

Unlike most Sens fans, I would be open to dealing Chabot for a substantial piece coming back.

- spatso



How does Chabot, with a grand total of 7:06 minutes of NHL ice time.........command a "substantial piece coming back"


Can you point to an example of something similar happening ever?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 27 @ 8:46 AM ET
Condom played over his head
- Aetherial




So Mike Condon has played in two NHL seasons ..........55 games with the Canadiens, and 40 with the Senators ............ and his "numbers" improved in his second year.

So that is now the definition of "playing over his head", having a better season after your rookie season?

So if Matthews puts up one more point than last season, will that also be termed as playing over his head?
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jul 27 @ 8:56 AM ET
So Mike Condon has played in two NHL seasons ..........55 games with the Canadiens, and 40 with the Senators ............ and his "numbers" improved in his second year.

So that is now the definition of "playing over his head", having a better season after your rookie season?

So if Matthews puts up one more point than last season, will that also be termed as playing over his head?

- D0PPELGANGER



Talking about a 26-27 yr old, versus 18-19 yr old.... Id say the guy that didn't see nhl game until 26 yrs old is playing over his head
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 27 @ 9:03 AM ET
Talking about a 26-27 yr old, versus 18-19 yr old.... Id say the guy that didn't see nhl game until 26 yrs old is playing over his head
- burn




Yeah, I guess attending Princeton University for four years was a bad life choice for Mike, and the three seasons in the AHL/ECHL too, I guess.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jul 27 @ 9:07 AM ET
Another disappointing round of inadequate comments. Most Leaf fan are pretty astute hockey observers. But, except for Prock, most of you guys are pretty feeble when it comes to your hockey awareness.

I am constantly disappointed by the quality of your commentary.

- spatso

You should be happy that prock humors your posts with detailed hockey responses.

Far more respect than a (frank)ing retarted douche bag like you deserves.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jul 27 @ 9:11 AM ET
So Mike Condon has played in two NHL seasons ..........55 games with the Canadiens, and 40 with the Senators ............ and his "numbers" improved in his second year.

So that is now the definition of "playing over his head", having a better season after your rookie season?

So if Matthews puts up one more point than last season, will that also be termed as playing over his head?

- D0PPELGANGER



I think Matthews gets more points but it's hard to score 40 in this league and I don't see him matching that total. At least not likely next year.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 27 @ 9:15 AM ET
Yeah, I guess attending Princeton University for four years was a bad life choice for Mike, and the three seasons in the AHL/ECHL too, I guess.
- D0PPELGANGER

Yea, I'm sure if he was offered an NHL contract earlier, he would have turned it down to stay in school.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 27 @ 9:23 AM ET
overall the turds got VERY good goaktending. condom was decent. average. Anderson would probably have been in contention for the vezina if he played like that the full year. but he never plays a full season. Anderson played about as well as he has his entire career. but it's unlikely to repeat. especially at his age.
- prock


I think you are correct. My guess is that Anderson gets about the same amount of work this year as last year. He was strong in playoffs and at end of season because he was rested.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jul 27 @ 9:26 AM ET
Yeah, I guess attending Princeton University for four years was a bad life choice for Mike, and the three seasons in the AHL/ECHL too, I guess.
- D0PPELGANGER



Ummm said no one ever. The point was that he was never really seen as a prospect, and genaraly on who break through that late typically don't continue to exceed previous years. Hell his wasn't even break through, because he just finally managed to break into the NHL at a late age.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 27 @ 9:30 AM ET
Ummm said no one ever. The point was that he was never really seen as a prospect, and genaraly on who break through that late typically don't continue to exceed previous years. Hell his wasn't even break through, because he just finally managed to break into the NHL at a late age.
- burn




Or maybe he valued an University Education at Princeton?
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jul 27 @ 9:39 AM ET
Or maybe he valued an University Education at Princeton?
- D0PPELGANGER



Has nothing to do with this. plenty of guys have gone university route and still managed to see NHL action before 26. Stop it.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 27 @ 9:42 AM ET
I think Matthews gets more points but it's hard to score 40 in this league and I don't see him matching that total. At least not likely next year.
- systemtool


Hard call. I think, as Lamerello says, the Leafs get played much harder by other teams. I think Matthews, because of his size, will handle this better than others. I don't see a big fall off for Matthews.

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