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Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jul 25 @ 10:21 AM ET

- D0PPELGANGER


spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 25 @ 11:19 AM ET
Trading Chabot, at this point, would be the stupidest thing that could happen, and evoke a fan revolt.

The Senators have systematically praised Chabot for all his junior success, and talked about his "bright future" with the Sens. They have zero intentions of trading him and doubt very much another team would make an "offer they could not refuse".

He's only played 07:06 minutes in the NHL, and don't have a clear picture as to how he will progress as a pro, so why in the heck would they give up on him now?

With the signing of Oduya, the Senators now have 7 D men on NHL (one way) contracts, plus a couple more in the system that have more NHL experience than does Chabot............. so it's pretty much a given that he's destined to start the Season in Belleville, unless he just blows everyone away in training camp and "wins" a roster spot ........... which I don't see happening.

From the little I've seen Chabot play, he's a big fish in a small pond (junior) and is much faster and much more skilled than 80-90% of the opposition he played against, so he tended to wander a lot, and has the ability to get back in position, to cover up any potential mistakes .......... he will not be able to do this at the NHL level ........... yet.

He needs to learn the "pro game" and his defensive responsibilities under Boucher's system............. and that is what the AHL is for, and not the third pairing on the Sens roster, playing 7 to 8 minutes a night, and having a high probability of making a costly mistake, and getting benched, and if it happens enough times, losing his confidence, and getting sent down to the AHL.

The Senators now have a ton of depth at the Left D position, and I see that as part of the plan to develop Chabot in the AHL, for as long as it takes.

- D0PPELGANGER


I am not a fan of the idea of trading Chabot. I agreed when it was rumoured that Dorion would not include him in any talks relating to Drouin. But, I also know his name came up with Colorado. No way they include him in any deal for either Duchene or Landeskog. But, there is a whisper (Hockey News) that Salic might move MacKinnon. We should be interested.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 25 @ 11:22 AM ET

- D0PPELGANGER

See what happens when you put thought into your posts?
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Ahead By A Century, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jul 25 @ 11:33 AM ET
I am not a fan of the idea of trading Chabot. I agreed when it was rumoured that Dorion would not include him in any talks relating to Drouin. But, I also know his name came up with Colorado. No way they include him in any deal for either Duchene or Landeskog. But, there is a whisper (Hockey News) that Salic might move MacKinnon. We should be interested.
- spatso


It's been reported by literally everybody that Sakic isn't and wouldn't even entertain trading MacKinnon, Rantanen, or Jost. Those are the guys they're gonna build around.

Anyone who reports otherwise is looking for hits.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: he's 35, time to be fart the messenger boy.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jul 25 @ 11:35 AM ET
I am not a fan of the idea of trading Chabot. I agreed when it was rumoured that Dorion would not include him in any talks relating to Drouin. But, I also know his name came up with Colorado. No way they include him in any deal for either Duchene or Landeskog. But, there is a whisper (Hockey News) that Salic might move MacKinnon. We should be interested.
- spatso


Look at the best D prospects in recent years, what would they have fetched in a trade before they were able to show anything in the NHL.

You won't get any of those 3 players for Chabot. You would be adding.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jul 25 @ 11:52 AM ET
It's been reported by literally everybody that Sakic isn't and wouldn't even entertain trading MacKinnon, Rantanen, or Jost. Those are the guys they're gonna build around.

Anyone who reports otherwise is looking for hits.

- GreatGigInTheSky


typical. naive sens fans get excited about trading pennies on the dollar for mackinnon.

reality hasn't set in that they already acquired the only nate they are getting.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 25 @ 12:13 PM ET
oduya has a no trade clause
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jul 25 @ 12:15 PM ET
oduya has a no trade clause
- senstroll



umm, WHAT????
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Liljegren tanked to get the Leafs
Joined: 07.14.2011

Jul 25 @ 12:25 PM ET
oduya has a no trade clause
- senstroll

That (frank)s the following up then

pointing out the facts ........... it's not that big of a commitment, and depending on the terms, he could be a trade deadline candidate if the Sens are not in a playoff position.
- D0PPELGANGER

D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 25 @ 1:48 PM ET
That (frank)s the following up then
- walshyleafsfan



was commenting well before details were announced.

But, it is a "modified" NTC (10 team no trade list) ...... so maybe not so "fucked up" as you may think
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 771 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Jul 25 @ 1:51 PM ET
was commenting well before details were announced.

But, it is a "modified" NTC ...... so maybe not so "fucked up" as you may think

- D0PPELGANGER

lol
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 25 @ 1:53 PM ET

- Tumbleweed



spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 25 @ 1:54 PM ET
Look at the best D prospects in recent years, what would they have fetched in a trade before they were able to show anything in the NHL.

You won't get any of those 3 players for Chabot. You would be adding.

- Aetherial


That is fundamentally inadequate evaluation.

Sergachev does not command the respect that Chabot gets in any objective evaluation. Sergachev was dealt one for one for Drouin. Drouin is a more attractive asset than either Duchene or Landeskog.

Players are evaluated by what they can do on a big stage when it matters.

Not many Dmen rise to the top of the WJC. Chabot was named MVP of the tournament and best Dman. He is a fine talent.
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Liljegren tanked to get the Leafs
Joined: 07.14.2011

Jul 25 @ 1:59 PM ET
was commenting well before details were announced.

But, it is a "modified" NTC (10 team no trade list) ...... so maybe not so "fucked up" as you may think

- D0PPELGANGER

I'd imagine there'll be a line up of the other 20 NHL teams.

Why the modified NTC?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 25 @ 2:00 PM ET
That is fundamentally inadequate evaluation.

Sergachev does not command the respect that Chabot gets in any objective evaluation. Sergachev was dealt one for one for Drouin. Drouin is a more attractive asset than either Duchene or Landeskog.

Players are evaluated by what they can do on a big stage when it matters.

Not many Dmen rise to the top of the WJC. Chabot was named MVP of the tournament and best Dman. He is a fine talent.

- spatso




Can you please stop talking about a possible trade of Chabot ...... as it's not going to happen.

Chabot is a great prospect, who has not shown anything at the NHL level ...... so let him play his way onto the Sens roster, and let's just see how he does then.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 25 @ 2:06 PM ET
I'd imagine there'll be a line up of the other 20 NHL teams.

Why the modified NTC?

- walshyleafsfan




in case you had not noticed, come trade deadline day, that a lot of teams make trades to add depth to their defensive corps ....... so he'll be a "rental" for one of those teams, if the Sens decide to trade him at that time.


Mark Streit was acquired by the Pens at the trade deadline this year, and the Columbus Blue Jackets acquired veteran defenseman Kyle Quincey, so trades of veteran D men do happen on TDD.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 25 @ 2:27 PM ET
Can you please stop talking about a possible trade of Chabot ...... as it's not going to happen.

Chabot is a great prospect, who has not shown anything at the NHL level ...... so let him play his way onto the Sens roster, and let's just see how he does then.

- D0PPELGANGER


Chabot is a better prospect than Sergachev. He would bring a very substantial return.

The most recent pairing I saw floated has Chabot matched with Phaneuf... a good option.

It leaves Borowiecki, Wideman and Harpur out of the line up. Jaros, Englund and Sieloff start in Belleville.

I would not consider dealing Chabot other than for the fact you already have Karlsson playing huge minutes. If, however, McKinnon is on the market (quietly) as reported by Hockey News, I would discuss the inclusion of Chabot in a deal.


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