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BetterCallSaul
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Captain Morgan Rielly
Joined: 05.07.2013

Jul 24 @ 6:36 PM ET
That has to be location material.

Chabot vs Werenski rookie seasons will look very different IMO

- walshyleafsfan

How do you think it would be met if you or I suggested that Liljegren will have an impact in his rookie season reminiscent of Werenski's?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 24 @ 7:17 PM ET

- BetterCallSaul

“I’m not comparing them, but, if Zach Werenski stepped into a pretty good team in Columbus, I think Thomas Chabot can step into our team.”

Sounds a lot like he just thinks Ottawa is a much easier team to make.

Can't say i disagree.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 24 @ 7:40 PM ET
“I’m not comparing them, but, if Zach Werenski stepped into a pretty good team in Columbus, I think Thomas Chabot can step into our team.”

Sounds a lot like he just thinks Ottawa is a much easier team to make.

Can't say i disagree.

- Feeling Glucky?


I think Chabot starts as a 5/6 pairing. I Think he gets spot time with karlsson.

I think his playing time is measured over the first half of the season and expanded in the second half.

I am still open to the idea that Chabot gets traded for a significant top 3 skater. Better then Drouin.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jul 24 @ 8:05 PM ET
We have had this before where someone uses really inappropriate language. It does not bother me if you want to call me names. It says more about you than me. However, it does not justify your using insensitive, demeaning references.
- spatso




GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jul 24 @ 8:13 PM ET
I think Chabot starts as a 5/6 pairing. I Think he gets spot time with karlsson.

I think his playing time is measured over the first half of the season and expanded in the second half.

I am still open to the idea that Chabot gets traded for a significant top 3 skater. Better then Drouin.

- spatso


I HOPE that the Sens play Chabot with Karlsson. They'd be the most defensively inept pairing ever. Other teams best players (hell, even the lesser players) would be salivating at the opportunity to lineup against them.

How would Chabot get a better player in return than Drouin, when Sergachev is better than Chabot?
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 24 @ 8:20 PM ET
I HOPE that the Sens play Chabot with Karlsson. They'd be the most defensively inept pairing ever. Other teams best players (hell, even the lesser players) would be salivating at the opportunity to lineup against them.

How would Chabot get a better player in return than Drouin, when Sergachev is better than Chabot?

- GreatGigInTheSky


Not so. At least in the opinion of Tampa. Ottawa tried to do the deal but would not consider Chabot.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 24 @ 8:26 PM ET
I think Chabot starts as a 5/6 pairing. I Think he gets spot time with karlsson.

I think his playing time is measured over the first half of the season and expanded in the second half.

I am still open to the idea that Chabot gets traded for a significant top 3 skater. Better then Drouin.

- spatso

We're all free to express our thoughts. For example, I think you're an idiot.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jul 24 @ 10:29 PM ET
We're all free to express our thoughts. For example, I think you're an idiot.
- Feeling Glucky?


Completely disagree.




Spazzo is a (frank)ing idiot. This is a basic fact.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jul 24 @ 10:29 PM ET



- GreatGigInTheSky


GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jul 24 @ 10:46 PM ET
Not so. At least in the opinion of Tampa. Ottawa tried to do the deal but would not consider Chabot.
- spatso


Oh?

I doubt it completely but if so, then Tampa lucked out greatly. I mean, I'd gladly take Chabot if I was them but I'd also want their 1st round pick. Especially since it'll more than likely be a lottery pick.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jul 24 @ 10:48 PM ET

- Tumbleweed




Arguably the best show on TV.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jul 24 @ 10:54 PM ET
I think Chabot starts as a 5/6 pairing. I Think he gets spot time with karlsson.

I think his playing time is measured over the first half of the season and expanded in the second half.

I am still open to the idea that Chabot gets traded for a significant top 3 skater. Better then Drouin.

- spatso


probably for a geezer. ottawa just signed a geezer. geezattwa
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 24 @ 11:23 PM ET
Patrick Marleau will be 38 years old, before the season begins............... but he's just a baby.
twiztedmike
Seattle Kraken
Joined: 10.06.2007

Jul 24 @ 11:28 PM ET
Patrick Marleau will be 38 years old, before the season begins............... but he's just a baby.
- D0PPELGANGER

bedtime soon, gotta wake up n troll early tomorrow
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jul 24 @ 11:47 PM ET
Not so. At least in the opinion of Tampa. Ottawa tried to do the deal but would not consider Chabot.
- spatso



What? the sens tried to trade chabot for drouin but wouldn't give up chabot?

Huh?
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 25 @ 6:51 AM ET
What? the sens tried to trade chabot for drouin but wouldn't give up chabot?

Huh?

- burn


Yes. THat was the talk right from the beginning. Ottawa wanted in on Drouin. Tampa wanted Chabot.

From the Hockey News. The future looks bright in Ottawa thanks to newly-crowned best defenseman in all of junior hockey: Thomas Chabot. And he appears to be ready for the NHL.

The Ottawa Senators made a stunning run in the post-season, coming within a single goal of the Stanley Cup final. And while there is much to celebrate surrounding the greatness of Erik Karlsson, the resiliency of Craig Anderson and Clarke MacArthur, and the tactical forcefulness of coach Guy Boucher, it’s worth noting that the future looks pretty bright in Ottawa, too.
From two-way center Colin White to Memorial Cup champion Logan Brown, the Sens have some nice pieces up front. On the back end, they have the newly-crowned best defenseman in all of junior: Thomas Chabot.
The Saint John Sea Dogs stalwart fell in his final junior game to the Memorial Cup runners-up from Erie, but along the way he further cemented his status as a minute-munching game-changer on the back end. Even if he can’t reach the lofty heights of Ottawa’s current ace defenseman, Chabot stands to be an impact blueliner who has impressed opponents with his excellence.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 25 @ 8:32 AM ET
bedtime soon, gotta wake up n troll early tomorrow
- twiztedmike

I admire your dedication
BlueBallz
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: You lie to everyone else and soon enough you begin believing your own lies. - spatso, ON
Joined: 07.06.2012

Jul 25 @ 8:44 AM ET
bedtime soon, gotta wake up n troll early tomorrow
- twiztedmike

Don't forget to pray first.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 25 @ 8:58 AM ET
So many really strong young Dmen. Oduya is still a strong skater and will get some minutes paired with Karlsson. More likely to skate as 6th

One or two young guys will be traded for a forward. Chabot is not available unless it involves a young top 3 skater.

- spatso



Trading Chabot, at this point, would be the stupidest thing that could happen, and evoke a fan revolt.

The Senators have systematically praised Chabot for all his junior success, and talked about his "bright future" with the Sens. They have zero intentions of trading him and doubt very much another team would make an "offer they could not refuse".

He's only played 07:06 minutes in the NHL, and don't have a clear picture as to how he will progress as a pro, so why in the heck would they give up on him now?

With the signing of Oduya, the Senators now have 7 D men on NHL (one way) contracts, plus a couple more in the system that have more NHL experience than does Chabot............. so it's pretty much a given that he's destined to start the Season in Belleville, unless he just blows everyone away in training camp and "wins" a roster spot ........... which I don't see happening.

From the little I've seen Chabot play, he's a big fish in a small pond (junior) and is much faster and much more skilled than 80-90% of the opposition he played against, so he tended to wander a lot, and has the ability to get back in position, to cover up any potential mistakes .......... he will not be able to do this at the NHL level ........... yet.

He needs to learn the "pro game" and his defensive responsibilities under Boucher's system............. and that is what the AHL is for, and not the third pairing on the Sens roster, playing 7 to 8 minutes a night, and having a high probability of making a costly mistake, and getting benched, and if it happens enough times, losing his confidence, and getting sent down to the AHL.

The Senators now have a ton of depth at the Left D position, and I see that as part of the plan to develop Chabot in the AHL, for as long as it takes.




Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jul 25 @ 9:11 AM ET
I think Chabot starts as a 5/6 pairing. I Think he gets spot time with karlsson.

I think his playing time is measured over the first half of the season and expanded in the second half.

I am still open to the idea that Chabot gets traded for a significant top 3 skater. Better then Drouin.

- spatso


Yes, I agree, Chabot will be on your 5th or 6th pairing.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jul 25 @ 9:14 AM ET
Yes. THat was the talk right from the beginning. Ottawa wanted in on Drouin. Tampa wanted Chabot.

From the Hockey News. The future looks bright in Ottawa thanks to newly-crowned best defenseman in all of junior hockey: Thomas Chabot. And he appears to be ready for the NHL.

The Ottawa Senators made a stunning run in the post-season, coming within a single goal of the Stanley Cup final. And while there is much to celebrate surrounding the greatness of Erik Karlsson, the resiliency of Craig Anderson and Clarke MacArthur, and the tactical forcefulness of coach Guy Boucher, it’s worth noting that the future looks pretty bright in Ottawa, too.
From two-way center Colin White to Memorial Cup champion Logan Brown, the Sens have some nice pieces up front. On the back end, they have the newly-crowned best defenseman in all of junior: Thomas Chabot.
The Saint John Sea Dogs stalwart fell in his final junior game to the Memorial Cup runners-up from Erie, but along the way he further cemented his status as a minute-munching game-changer on the back end. Even if he can’t reach the lofty heights of Ottawa’s current ace defenseman, Chabot stands to be an impact blueliner who has impressed opponents with his excellence.

- spatso


Polly want a cracker?
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jul 25 @ 9:14 AM ET
Trading Chabot, at this point, would be the stupidest thing that could happen, and evoke a fan revolt.

The Senators have systematically praised Chabot for all his junior success, and talked about his "bright future" with the Sens. They have zero intentions of trading him and doubt very much another team would make an "offer they could not refuse".

He's only played 07:06 minutes in the NHL, and don't have a clear picture as to how he will progress as a pro, so why in the heck would they give up on him now?

With the signing of Oduya, the Senators now have 7 D men on NHL (one way) contracts, plus a couple more in the system that have more NHL experience than does Chabot............. so it's pretty much a given that he's destined to start the Season in Belleville, unless he just blows everyone away in training camp and "wins" a roster spot ........... which I don't see happening.

From the little I've seen Chabot play, he's a big fish in a small pond (junior) and is much faster and much more skilled than 80-90% of the opposition he played against, so he tended to wander a lot, and has the ability to get back in position, to cover up any potential mistakes .......... he will not be able to do this at the NHL level ........... yet.

He needs to learn the "pro game" and his defensive responsibilities under Boucher's system............. and that is what the AHL is for, and not the third pairing on the Sens roster, playing 7 to 8 minutes a night, and having a high probability of making a costly mistake, and getting benched, and if it happens enough times, losing his confidence, and getting sent down to the AHL.

The Senators now have a ton of depth at the Left D position, and I see that as part of the plan to develop Chabot in the AHL, for as long as it takes.

- D0PPELGANGER



Good post, d0pps.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jul 25 @ 9:18 AM ET
Trading Chabot, at this point, would be the stupidest thing that could happen, and evoke a fan revolt.

The Senators have systematically praised Chabot for all his junior success, and talked about his "bright future" with the Sens. They have zero intentions of trading him and doubt very much another team would make an "offer they could not refuse".

He's only played 07:06 minutes in the NHL, and don't have a clear picture as to how he will progress as a pro, so why in the heck would they give up on him now?

With the signing of Oduya, the Senators now have 7 D men on NHL (one way) contracts, plus a couple more in the system that have more NHL experience than does Chabot............. so it's pretty much a given that he's destined to start the Season in Belleville, unless he just blows everyone away in training camp and "wins" a roster spot ........... which I don't see happening.

From the little I've seen Chabot play, he's a big fish in a small pond (junior) and is much faster and much more skilled than 80-90% of the opposition he played against, so he tended to wander a lot, and has the ability to get back in position, to cover up any potential mistakes .......... he will not be able to do this at the NHL level ........... yet.

He needs to learn the "pro game" and his defensive responsibilities under Boucher's system............. and that is what the AHL is for, and not the third pairing on the Sens roster, playing 7 to 8 minutes a night, and having a high probability of making a costly mistake, and getting benched, and if it happens enough times, losing his confidence, and getting sent down to the AHL.

The Senators now have a ton of depth at the Left D position, and I see that as part of the plan to develop Chabot in the AHL, for as long as it takes.

- D0PPELGANGER


He may end up being Werenski in year 1 and he may be Karlsson-like one day. The only reasonable expectation this year should be development.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 25 @ 9:18 AM ET
Good post, d0pps.
- Tumbleweed




D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 25 @ 9:19 AM ET
He may end up being Werenski in year 1 and he may be Karlsson-like one day. The only reasonable expectation this year should be development.
- Aetherial



great post Aetherial!
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