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Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: he's 35, time to be fart the messenger boy.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jul 16 @ 6:40 PM ET
i see you raised playoffs and the Leafs having beat the Sens in the early years of the Sens playoff teams.

Yet you waffle on the Sens going to the ECF this year.

- spatso


That is your comeback?

ROFL The Sens put themselves in a worse position by failing, again.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 16 @ 6:49 PM ET
I think you struggle with facts. Leafs have all the cap space they need.

But I'm sure you're going to post something that ignores LTIR, because you despise being right.

- Feeling Glucky?


Just about everyone that has played with the LTIR formula to try and manage cap has got caught.

Last year Edmonton signed Lucic for 7 years. He is a good short term signing but he is outside the core development profile for the team.

I don't understand the commitment to the old geezers when the Leafs are in need of defence and a real backup goaltender.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jul 16 @ 6:54 PM ET
Just about everyone that has played with the LTIR formula to try and manage cap has got caught.

Last year Edmonton signed Lucic for 7 years. He is a good short term signing but he is outside the core development profile for the team.

I don't understand the commitment to the old geezers when the Leafs are in need of defence and a real backup goaltender.

- spatso



I don't think you need to constantly tell us that all the time, it's abundantly clear.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jul 16 @ 6:57 PM ET
Just about everyone that has played with the LTIR formula to try and manage cap has got caught.

Last year Edmonton signed Lucic for 7 years. He is a good short term signing but he is outside the core development profile for the team.

I don't understand the commitment to the old geezers when the Leafs are in need of defence and a real backup goaltender.

- spatso


They're all fairly short term deals. No commitments like the Sens have. When you have as much youth as the Leafs you'd understand. And comparing a 7 year deal to a 3 year deal is pretty desperate and a reach. What's important here is unlike Lucic, the vets the Leafs brought in were for depth help. Brilliant move imo.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jul 16 @ 7:12 PM ET
This is a valid comment. I understand that bringing in the old geezers is taking a shot at winning now. it might work. But it could be a real cap mess if it does not.
- spatso


Moore - $1m, 1 year

Hainsey - $3m, 2 years


OMGGGGGG. GIVING A BUNCH OF OLD GEEZERS BELOW AVERAGE SALARIES FOR THE SHORT TERM IS GOING TO BE A HUGE MESS!!!!!!

Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 771 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Jul 16 @ 7:44 PM ET
Moore - $1m, 1 year

Hainsey - $3m, 2 years


OMGGGGGG. GIVING A BUNCH OF OLD GEEZERS BELOW AVERAGE SALARIES FOR THE SHORT TERM IS GOING TO BE A HUGE MESS!!!!!!


- Tumbleweed

Moore is worth $1m. A really underrated PK man. I'm sorry the Bruins let him go.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jul 16 @ 7:57 PM ET
Moore is worth $1m. A really underrated PK man. I'm sorry the Bruins let him go.
- Cape Breton Bruins


I'd prefer boyle over moar, bur nor for 1.7 moar

D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 17 @ 8:32 AM ET
I guess we could talk about ...

the Phaneuf, Ryan, Smith, MacArthur contracts,

or losing Methot,

or not being able to give Phaneuf away,

or re-signing Burrows,

or trading Zibibybabyjihad for an older, worse, player

or the Hamburgler

Or how they can't even sell out their arena in the semi-finals

Or how their embarrassing team icon, Crusty the Clown, left the team, again.

or how Dorion is tied for the worst GM in the league

or how their best prospects are either from the worst CHL league, or weren't even as good as Vesey,

or how they have never beaten the Leafs in the playoffs,

or how their franchise has ZERO cups

or the Trojan Man

or how they won the 28th pick this year, while the Leafs got a guy who was consensus top-2 before being sidelined with Mono,

or how their glory run was against half-AHL defenses on Pittsburgh and Boston, No number 1 D on Pitt, Pitt's captain playing with a concussion, Pitt's number 1 goalie missing 1st half of the series

... oh damn, you said "proven false". All these things are true. I guess we can't talk about any of them.

- Aetherial





May 2nd, 1967
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jul 17 @ 9:37 AM ET
May 2nd, 1967
- D0PPELGANGER



The last time the Sens won the cup?

oh wait...
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 17 @ 9:40 AM ET
Just about everyone that has played with the LTIR formula to try and manage cap has got caught.

Last year Edmonton signed Lucic for 7 years. He is a good short term signing but he is outside the core development profile for the team.

I don't understand the commitment to the old geezers when the Leafs are in need of defence and a real backup goaltender.

- spatso

I'm sure you have plenty of examples and won't just go off on a BS tangent now that I'm calling you on it.

And there's absolutely nothing wrong with the current back-up the Leafs have. Hell, if they didn't acquire him when they did, I don't think they would have made the playoffs.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 17 @ 9:53 AM ET
more goals than Bobby Ryan got points last year.
- prock




Hey could you please do an Update on that "Embarrassment of Riches" thingy you talked about a few months back?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jul 17 @ 10:10 AM ET
Hey could you please do an Update on that "Embarrassment of Riches" thingy you talked about a few months back?
- D0PPELGANGER



an update? not much has changed. a few short term veterans signings. a couple of young UFA dmen signings of guys that have played in sweden their whole career (an experiment to see of their top euro game translates to the NHL). a decent draft where they picked up what many consider the best dmen in the world outside the NHL.

basically it's gotten even better.
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 771 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Jul 17 @ 10:11 AM ET
an update? not much has changed. a few short term veterans signings. a couple of young UFA dmen signings of guys that have played in sweden their whole career (an experiment to see of their top euro game translates to the NHL). a decent draft where they picked up what many consider the best dmen in the world outside the NHL.

basically it's gotten even better.

- prock

Are you willing to concede that the Marleau deal is one year too long?

Yes or No?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 17 @ 11:02 AM ET
an update? not much has changed. a few short term veterans signings. a couple of young UFA dmen signings of guys that have played in sweden their whole career (an experiment to see of their top euro game translates to the NHL). a decent draft where they picked up what many consider the best dmen in the world outside the NHL.

basically it's gotten even better.

- prock




Yes, that is all well and good ........... but you also harped on about the jays and raptors ...... and how you, as a fan, could look forward to a great playoff run by both of these teams ......... or something along those lines.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jul 17 @ 11:08 AM ET
Are you willing to concede that the Marleau deal is one year too long?

Yes or No?

- Cape Breton Bruins



Yeah. I never denied it. I don't think it will hurt them, but I don't see why it was necessary. Surely he didn't have any other offers anywhere near that.

I don't really care though, as I say, I don't think it will hurt them.

The 3 signings are just plugging holes. I won't say they're great signings, like some will try to claim. I think they're rather insignificant. I would rather they have spent the money they spent on Marleau, on an upgrade at D.

However, if this allows them to (and they actually do) trade Bozak or JVR, for either a dman, or some high picks, then I'm happy with it. (which, of course, I said from the beginning). If they do that, it's actually incredibly shrewd. Until that point though, I think the signings are rather "meh".
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jul 17 @ 11:13 AM ET
Yes, that is all well and good ........... but you also harped on about the jays and raptors ...... and how you, as a fan, could look forward to a great playoff run by both of these teams ......... or something along those lines.
- D0PPELGANGER



I'm not sure what you're point is. The Raptors are among the best in the NBA. The Jays have been among the best in the MLB over the past few years, although, are not having a good year. The Leafs are a favourite in the division, and shaping up to be among the best in the Eastern conference.

The odds on a major sports championship coming to Toronto in the next 5 years is high. I would even say the odds on multiple championships coming to Toronto is reasonably high.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 17 @ 11:24 AM ET
I'm not sure what you're point is. The Raptors are among the best in the NBA. The Jays have been among the best in the MLB over the past few years, although, are not having a good year. The Leafs are a favourite in the division, and shaping up to be among the best in the Eastern conference.

The odds on a major sports championship coming to Toronto in the next 5 years is high. I would even say the odds on multiple championships coming to Toronto is reasonably high.

- prock




Just that you were gloating on how, as a toronto sports fan, after the leafs were eliminated .......... you were looking forward to a long raptor playoff run, and were also looking forward to a jays run at the World Series ............... but the jays have not been out of last place all season, and the raptors, well they're not going anywhere until Lebron moves to another team, of retires

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