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twiztedmike
Vegas Golden Knights
Joined: 10.06.2007

Jun 29 @ 1:25 PM ET
Scoreboard says 0 cups for the Sens and 0 playoff victories over the Leafs, oh and a coveted 28th pick.
- Aetherial

best pick of the draft
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 29 @ 1:27 PM ET
I don't believe that for a second.
- spatso



The same guys that you're dismissing about phanuef rumors are same ones who you linked about shatenkirk
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: every day, once a day, give yourself a present, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jun 29 @ 1:28 PM ET
pooptykirk is just an expensive pp specialist

pass
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: If they sign Shattenkirk at 8 years for $65m, some of you guys are going to look somewhat silly.spat
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 29 @ 1:28 PM ET
Very cold and wet at cottage.

Not nice for fishing.

Hard getting summer up to speed.

- spatso


Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: If they sign Shattenkirk at 8 years for $65m, some of you guys are going to look somewhat silly.spat
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 29 @ 1:30 PM ET
I don't believe that for a second.
- spatso


Well, you bring up very interesting point.





That you are an idiot.


Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: If they sign Shattenkirk at 8 years for $65m, some of you guys are going to look somewhat silly.spat
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 29 @ 1:31 PM ET
The one where the lights went out.....
- burn


The light bulb has been out in spatso’s head for a while.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 29 @ 1:32 PM ET
The same guys that you're dismissing about phanuef rumors are same ones who you linked about shatenkirk
- burn


Yes, this is true. They seem to come out of a narrow band of sources. Some turn out to be true. Some never see the light of day.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 29 @ 1:36 PM ET
Not as good as Phaneuf and longer remaining term.
- spatso


lol

oh and ignore age thats fine
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 29 @ 1:37 PM ET
Yes, this is true. They seem to come out of a narrow band of sources. Some turn out to be true. Some never see the light of day.
- spatso



So you just decide what is and isn't true? How on earth do you say something someone say isn't true, but something the same guys says is unequivocally the truth?
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 29 @ 1:38 PM ET
lol

oh and ignore age thats fine

- senstroll


Phaneuf is same age as Methot. Sens have great help coming.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/vid...to-sens-defence%7E1156624
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 29 @ 1:41 PM ET
pooptykirk is just an expensive pp specialist

pass

- daeth



Take this for what its worth, but he is not just that..not even close.

https://editorinleaf.com/...eafs-kevin-shattenkirk-2/



Kevin Shattenkirk just had his seventh straight 40+ point season (if you prorate the lockout) and finished with 56 points. He had 23 5v5 points, good for 23rd in the NHL (same amount as Jake Gardiner)


Shattenkirk vs Prototype #1

As you can see, he compares well. What is most impressive about Shattenkirk, is that he plays excellent defense. Elite even. Though he’s known as a high-risk offensive defenseman, the stats just don’t back that up. He is ranked an 8 out of 10 in shot-suppression.

Shattenkirk finished this past season with a 53% CF rating, good for 23rd in the NHL among D who played 1000 minutes. That is an elite rating. He scored 53 points and when he was on the ice, his team too 53% of the shots. If you cause your team to get more shots than the other team, you can’t be bad at defense, and Shattenkirk is certainly not.

In the last five years, Shattenkirk has a corsi-for % of 54% which means that when he is on the ice, his team gets 54% of all shot-attempts. This is elite. There are 210 defenseman – roughly – in the NHL and last year, 12 of them had CF% over 54.

The defensive impact of Shattenkirk is off the charts. Not only does he provide elite offensive production, he provides elite defensive production. He is one of the best players in the NHL. At worst, he’s a top 20 NHL defenseman.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 29 @ 1:47 PM ET
Take this for what its worth, but he is not just that..not even close.

https://editorinleaf.com/...eafs-kevin-shattenkirk-2/

- senstroll



I don't see why people assume that if you're on the ice for more shots for your team than against, you're automatically good defensively.

That could very easily mean you're giving up a lot of shots, just taking more.

You could give up the most shots/60 on your team, but because you take a lot more, that means you're good defensively?

No, not really.

All that means is that you play a style that allows for a lot of shots in both directions, and you play it well. I still consider that bad defensively. It's just better offensively than you are bad defensively.

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