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systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jun 28 @ 8:12 AM ET
try to stay relevant and consistent.
- Aetherial



The Leafs make more money than any other team! why do they act like there is a salary cap in place!?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jun 28 @ 8:22 AM ET
I think dopps and spasto are a bit on edge, hearing the Phaneuf for Dustin Brown rumour.

Seems like Dorion might be thinking that the best way to get out of a bad trade is to make a worse one.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 28 @ 8:37 AM ET
The Leafs make more money than any other team! why do they act like there is a salary cap in place!?
- systemtool


Shanahan has made some very good moves. The best was the adoption of an internal cap consistent with their long term strategy.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jun 28 @ 8:42 AM ET
Shanahan has made some very good moves. The best was the adoption of an internal cap consistent with their long term strategy.
- spatso


I wouldn't call it an internal cap. They spend alot to have players they don't deem worthy to stay away from the big club. They'll spend as much as they have to but have done a great job keeping it off the actual cap hit.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jun 28 @ 8:44 AM ET
I think dopps and spasto are a bit on edge, hearing the Phaneuf for Dustin Brown rumour.

Seems like Dorion might be thinking that the best way to get out of a bad trade is to make a worse one.

- Feeling Glucky?



Makes sense. They tried to get out from bad contracts by trading for Phaneuf but inherited a worse mess instead.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: two steaks and a couple bottles of red wine - we'll get drunk and I'll taze your balls. -Wedgie
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 28 @ 9:04 AM ET
Makes sense. They tried to get out from bad contracts by trading for Phaneuf but inherited a worse mess instead.
- systemtool


At some point, people have to admit the Phaneuf trade was hilariously bad for the Sens.

An improbable glory run ending up with the coveted 28th pick and losing Methot just highlights what a stupid move it was to get him.

burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 28 @ 9:09 AM ET
Makes sense. They tried to get out from bad contracts by trading for Phaneuf but inherited a worse mess instead.
- systemtool



But I was told they would want to keep phanuef?
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 28 @ 9:13 AM ET
At some point, people have to admit the Phaneuf trade was hilariously bad for the Sens.

An improbable glory run ending up with the coveted 28th pick and losing Methot just highlights what a stupid move it was to get him.

- Aetherial


Your bitterness over the glory run masks your lack of understanding about the great young Dmen working their way through the Ottawa system.

Phaneuf played outstanding hockey during the great playoff run. He had a great season. Dorion is a cool customer he will figure it out.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 28 @ 9:18 AM ET
But I was told they would want to keep phanuef?
- burn


Sens said in the weeks after playoffs that they wanted to keep Karlsson, Methot, Phaneuf and Ceci. Dorion said he expects that Harpur and CHabot will make the team. No doubt Ottawa has lots of good young Dmen
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jun 28 @ 9:22 AM ET
At some point, people have to admit the Phaneuf trade was hilariously bad for the Sens.

An improbable glory run ending up with the coveted 28th pick and losing Methot just highlights what a stupid move it was to get him.

- Aetherial



Phaneuf is the gift that keeps on giving. like finding wallets
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 28 @ 9:25 AM ET
Sens said in the weeks after playoffs that they wanted to keep Karlsson, Methot, Phaneuf and Ceci. Dorion said he expects that Harpur and CHabot will make the team. No doubt Ottawa has lots of good young Dmen
- spatso



It's funny how you keep saying that, yet they asked dion to waive to be exposed in expansion draft and then ended up losing methot in expansion draft. They made no attempt to make a deal to protect methot and when vegas delt him days later the sens wanted him back so much so they couldn't part with a scrub prospect and a mid range pick.

Surely you can see the contradiction going on between what you're saying and the actions of the team? Seems quite clear......
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita
Joined: 07.14.2011

Jun 28 @ 9:38 AM ET
Phaneuf is the gift that keeps on giving. like finding wallets
- systemtool

I honestly can't believe the Leafs got out of Dion's contract as easily as they did.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 28 @ 9:52 AM ET
Viscious!

Insensitive?

Perhaps a little harsh for summer talk?

Remember this is the B team of the Leaf commentariat. If you scorch them too deeply they will run away and hide.

They take great delight in believing they are big and powerful. They become somewhat despondent when reminded that they have been inept and mostly redundant for more than 50 years.

If I remember correctly they got the lowest ranking ever as a sports franchise by ESPN because of their perststant ineptitude. Remarkably it is symbolically character shaping for many of the Leaf supporters posting on this thread. Even though they post differently they understand and share a premordial awareness of betrayal. For so many years, hopes have been raised only to be shattered by the reality of Leaf front office incompetence.

Is this new group a change from the Keystone Kops of the last 50 years? I think so. I hope so.

But we cannot forget. It is just a few years ago that we watched in horror as a Leaf team put on one of the most disgraceful performances ever as they collapsed against the Bruins in the third period. Kessel was blamed and run out of town. It was said by Leaf fans no team could ever win a Stanley Cup with Phil Kessel in their line up. Phil paid for his sins by being banished to a team that has won two Stanley Cups since his arrival. It is all so complex. Yet, if nothing changes, if losing repeats as a pattern, maybe, the curse of Harold Ballard is real.

I believe Leaf fans have a huge ineptitude complex. Individually they are smart, well studied hockey fans. But put them into a group and they turn into a pack of rabid dogs desperate for an an answer to their eternal suffering. Despite all their protestations to the opposite they still tremble in fear. They believe in the inevitability of failure, they support a culture of doubt. Despite all the positive signs from last year, somehow, Leaf fans still wonder if they are destined to collapse again. Serious consideration should be given to starting this season with an exorcism at center ice on opening night. Time to let go of all the feelings of bitterness and betrayal. Let the demons go. For far too long you have had to live with shame and ridicule. Now is the time to cast the demons out.

- spatso



senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 28 @ 10:22 AM ET
I honestly can't believe the Leafs got out of Dion's contract as easily as they did.
- walshyleafsfan


I was sure the Leafs would have had to add picks or prospects... even with taking on the dead weight they did
Nucker101
Seattle Kraken
Location: Empty The Clip, ME
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 28 @ 10:23 AM ET
OILERS
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 28 @ 10:25 AM ET
I was sure the Leafs would have had to add picks or prospects... even with taking on the dead weight they did
- senstroll


i still can't believe we didn't have to retain salary
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 28 @ 10:25 AM ET
OILERS
- Nucker101




Elliotte Friedman‏Verified account @FriedgeHNIC 54m54 minutes ago
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Further to @TSNRyanRishaug McDavid mention, hearing deal will be around $13.25M for 8 yrs. Big win for EDM to get that term, as opposed to 5
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita
Joined: 07.14.2011

Jun 28 @ 10:27 AM ET
I was sure the Leafs would have had to add picks or prospects... even with taking on the dead weight they did
- senstroll

Agreed.

The dead weight all had only 1 year left on their deals. There was literally no downside to the deal. Just outstanding.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 28 @ 12:18 PM ET
Sens said in the weeks after playoffs that they wanted to keep Karlsson, Methot, Phaneuf and Ceci. Dorion said he expects that Harpur and CHabot will make the team. No doubt Ottawa has lots of good young Dmen
- spatso



problem solved

Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun 2m2 minutes ago
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Replying to @PierreVLeBrun
Also hear that Ottawa has looked into Emelin as well....

Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 28 @ 12:40 PM ET
Viscious!

Insensitive?

Perhaps a little harsh for summer talk?

Remember this is the B team of the Leaf commentariat. If you scorch them too deeply they will run away and hide.

They take great delight in believing they are big and powerful. They become somewhat despondent when reminded that they have been inept and mostly redundant for more than 50 years.

If I remember correctly they got the lowest ranking ever as a sports franchise by ESPN because of their perststant ineptitude. Remarkably it is symbolically character shaping for many of the Leaf supporters posting on this thread. Even though they post differently they understand and share a premordial awareness of betrayal. For so many years, hopes have been raised only to be shattered by the reality of Leaf front office incompetence.

Is this new group a change from the Keystone Kops of the last 50 years? I think so. I hope so.

But we cannot forget. It is just a few years ago that we watched in horror as a Leaf team put on one of the most disgraceful performances ever as they collapsed against the Bruins in the third period. Kessel was blamed and run out of town. It was said by Leaf fans no team could ever win a Stanley Cup with Phil Kessel in their line up. Phil paid for his sins by being banished to a team that has won two Stanley Cups since his arrival. It is all so complex. Yet, if nothing changes, if losing repeats as a pattern, maybe, the curse of Harold Ballard is real.

I believe Leaf fans have a huge ineptitude complex. Individually they are smart, well studied hockey fans. But put them into a group and they turn into a pack of rabid dogs desperate for an an answer to their eternal suffering. Despite all their protestations to the opposite they still tremble in fear. They believe in the inevitability of failure, they support a culture of doubt. Despite all the positive signs from last year, somehow, Leaf fans still wonder if they are destined to collapse again. Serious consideration should be given to starting this season with an exorcism at center ice on opening night. Time to let go of all the feelings of bitterness and betrayal. Let the demons go. For far too long you have had to live with shame and ridicule. Now is the time to cast the demons out.

- spatso

Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 28 @ 3:07 PM ET
$2.4M for condom




senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 28 @ 3:34 PM ET
$2.4M for condom





- Tumbleweed



yowza

what could go wrong when a Below average goalie has a good stretch
it did work out well doing basically the same thing with Hammond
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 28 @ 3:39 PM ET
yowza

what could go wrong when a Below average goalie has a good stretch
it did work out well doing basically the same thing with Hammond

- senstroll


i thought it was $2.4M total for all 3 years at first. was thinking, well that actually isn't bad....
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 28 @ 4:13 PM ET
Chabot: My goal is to start the season in Ottawa
After an impressive season with the Saint John's Seadogs that saw him named the playoff MVP and defenceman of the year, and a World Juniors that saw him named defenceman of the tournament, Thomas Chabot has one goal coming into this season - to make the Ottawa Senators.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 28 @ 4:15 PM ET
i thought it was $2.4M total for all 3 years at first. was thinking, well that actually isn't bad....
- Tumbleweed


Lots of action on Condon...If this is Anderson's last year, the contract with Condon has something to do with facilitating the transition.
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