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prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 6 @ 4:23 PM ET
Sens really do have a goldmine developing on the backend.

Karlsson is the cornerstone.

Chabot will make the team out of camp and will get lots of playing time. I think Harpur also makes the team out of camp. He was very strong in the games he played against the Rangers during the playoffs. Makes you wonder why he did not get more regular season play. Consensus was Claesson was the Sens 3rd best Dman during playoffs. He got better every round. I see him playing lots of minutes next year.

Out of Ceci, Phaneuf, Methot, Borowiecki and Wideman; one goes to Vegas, two play for the Sens next year and two get dealt before the expansion draft trade deadline. (I really hope they keep Phaneuf and team him with Chabot).

- spatso



LOL, yeah, Wideman, Boriwiecki, Ceci. the Sens really turn out quality crap.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 6 @ 4:38 PM ET
LOL, yeah, Wideman, Boriwiecki, Ceci. the Sens really turn out quality crap.
- prock


Perhaps Pierre Dorion had you in mind when he was talking about watching guys speed down the boards and get drilled by Borowiecki. After that they become a lot more tentative.

Every team needs a Borowiecki or a Methot or a Phaneuf that is ready to pound guys coming through the neutral zone. Here is the exact quote, I love it

“… I want to punch our analytics people on a daily basis because they come to me with stuff that when they tell me that [Borowiecki]’s no good, I say ‘why don’t you go on the ice with Boro and tell me how much fun it is to get hit ten times in a row?’ Guys go the other way sometimes, but analytics can’t tell you that.”
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 6 @ 4:50 PM ET
ugh I feel dirty for what I said and now you are using words like goldmine, cornerstone and backend. gross I regret everything
- senstroll


it's been a goldmine for comedy
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 6 @ 4:58 PM ET
Perhaps Pierre Dorion had you in mind when he was talking about watching guys speed down the boards and get drilled by Borowiecki. After that they become a lot more tentative.

Every team needs a Borowiecki or a Methot or a Phaneuf that is ready to pound guys coming through the neutral zone. Here is the exact quote, I love it

“… I want to punch our analytics people on a daily basis because they come to me with stuff that when they tell me that

- spatso[Borowiecki]’s no good, I say ‘why don’t you go on the ice with Boro and tell me how much fun it is to get hit ten times in a row?’ Guys go the other way sometimes, but analytics can’t tell you that.”



LOL, yeah, every team needs guys that make them tentative.

like this:





I can see the fear they strike.

ps - sorry couldn't find anything of Borowiecki. I don't think he has any career highlights.
BetterCallSaul
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Captain Morgan Rielly
Joined: 05.07.2013

Jun 6 @ 5:15 PM ET
Please explain how the same line up that lead the league in loser points, and backed into the playoffs, are somehow going to "go further next year"???

Who are they adding to the lineup to improve it? Will it be some UFAs? Are they going to make a big trade?

If not, then will the same lineup, that vastly overachieved, feasted on opponents back up goaltenders, and had the easiest schedule in the entire sports world, had the most luck of any team on the planet ........... just how will they be any better than last season? Do they expect all these fluky breaks that happened last season to repeat themselves next season?

- D0PPELGANGER

Maybe they win more of those overtime games and get less loser points and more extra points? Do you assume that's impossible?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 6 @ 5:23 PM ET
Neilson is a long ways out and no way ahead of Chabot in any way at all.
Dermott is closer, but I would trade both of them for Chabot and add something.

If he is not a top 4 D in the NHL is would be shocked

- senstroll



as i said, they're all 2/3 D in the making.

Nielsen was the better dman for the first half of the Marlies season. It was rather impressive how those 2 held down the fort for the Marlies, in what was considered among the tightest defense in the AHL. I wouldn't underrate what they accomplished, in a professional league, as rookies.

Keep in mind, the Leafs drafting and farm club has been a total goldmine the last 3 years.
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita
Joined: 07.14.2011

Jun 6 @ 6:43 PM ET
Sens have 4 Dmen prospects that would start for the Leafs next year. Only two will make the jump to the Sens.

White will start the season in Ottawa next year. Minimum of three rookies start the season with Ottawa (Chabot, Harpur, White).

- spatso

Who would the 4 be? And who would they replace on the Leafs blueline please?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 6 @ 6:45 PM ET
Who would the 4 be? And who would they replace on the Leafs blueline please?
- walshyleafsfan



They wouldn't necessarily have 1. If theyre smart, they actually give some of these kids a year in the AHL. But they probably need the cheap salaries on roster.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 6 @ 7:27 PM ET
They wouldn't necessarily have 1. If their smart, they actually give some of these kids a year in the AHL. But they probably need the cheap salaries on roster.
- prock


Harpur has been developed carefully through the minors.

Englund was the captain of the Swedish national junior team, he has spent a year in the AHL.

Jaros is a Slovak that they put in the Swedish premier league for a year and he will play in the AHL next year.

Chabot is a protege.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 6 @ 7:29 PM ET
Are you not the same guy who dumped all over Pageau when the Sens grabbed him in the fourth round?
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 6 @ 7:51 PM ET
Neilson is a long ways out and no way ahead of Chabot in any way at all.
Dermott is closer, but I would trade both of them for Chabot and add something.

If he is not a top 4 D in the NHL is would be shocked

- senstroll


I don't have the quite the confidence you do, but he does look like a good prospect, better than our D prospects.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 6 @ 8:26 PM ET
Are you not the same guy who dumped all over Pageau when the Sens grabbed him in the fourth round?
- spatso


no I dumped on him when you compared him to giroux.

pagiroux is nothing special. undersized 30 point pests are pretty easily replaceable. you guys may like him but the reality is you can pick up a better player in free agency at league minimum.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 6 @ 10:48 PM ET
LEAFS
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 7 @ 5:29 AM ET
no I dumped on him when you compared him to giroux.

pagiroux is nothing special. undersized 30 point pests are pretty easily replaceable. you guys may like him but the reality is you can pick up a better player in free agency at league minimum.

- prock


So bitter.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 7 @ 6:26 AM ET
So bitter.
- spatso


lol. is that all you've got?

are you going to try to tell me your 30 point plug is a great player?
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 7 @ 8:56 AM ET
Leafs backed into the playoffs with Loser points
Not_Yan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: it's an excellent product, easier, quicker, and even better than real mashed potatoes.
Joined: 04.19.2013

Jun 7 @ 9:42 AM ET
no I dumped on him when you compared him to giroux.

pagiroux is nothing special. undersized 30 point pests are pretty easily replaceable. you guys may like him but the reality is you can pick up a better player in free agency at league minimum.

- prock


WE WANT NAMES
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 7 @ 11:20 AM ET
WE WANT NAMES
- Not_Yan



Radim Vrbata
Calle Jarnkrok
Marcus Foligno
Patrick Eaves

There is lots more.
Not_Yan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: it's an excellent product, easier, quicker, and even better than real mashed potatoes.
Joined: 04.19.2013

Jun 7 @ 11:55 AM ET
Radim Vrbata
Calle Jarnkrok
Marcus Foligno
Patrick Eaves

There is lots more.

- prock


These guys won't get league minimum salaries you silly you.
twiztedmike
Seattle Kraken
Joined: 10.06.2007

Jun 7 @ 11:56 AM ET
These guys won't get league minimum salaries you silly you.
- Not_Yan

They will sign hometown discounts with the Leafs, duh!!!
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 7 @ 12:03 PM ET
So bitter.
- spatso


we've already gone over this.

no need to keep telling everyone you are bitter.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 7 @ 2:01 PM ET
These guys won't get league minimum salaries you silly you.
- Not_Yan



Those guys were all around $1M or lower last season as UFA, weren't they?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 7 @ 2:02 PM ET
we've already gone over this.

no need to keep telling everyone you are bitter.

- Tumbleweed



Comes with being a sens fan. It's why they can't fill their building.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 7 @ 2:52 PM ET
So bitter.
- spatso


Don't be.

Nobody outside this board knows about your embarrassing decision to cheer for the Sens.

Unless you told them? In that case, sorry man. We all make mistakes. Yours is more stupid than most, but I am sure your loved ones will forgive you, maybe; Yeah, probably, I think.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 7 @ 3:02 PM ET
Don't be.

Nobody outside this board knows about your embarrassing decision to cheer for the Sens.

Unless you told them? In that case, sorry man. We all make mistakes. Your is more stupid than most, but I am sure your loved ones will forgive you, maybe; Yeah, probably, I think.

- Aetherial


Most of my family still think that I am primarily a Leaf fan. I still am the butt of many jokes. Most of them would be highly annoyed to hear that I made the switch a few years ago. They so love to skewer me on each new Leaf collapse.

As you know, I don't mind the Leafs at all and I had decided that if the Leafs won (Washington) and Ottawa lost (Boston) I would flip my pennant to the Leafs for their playoff run....but, alas, it was not to be.
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