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prock
Nashville Predators
Location: Nice to know how comfortable t, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 6 @ 4:23 PM ET
Sens really do have a goldmine developing on the backend.

Karlsson is the cornerstone.

Chabot will make the team out of camp and will get lots of playing time. I think Harpur also makes the team out of camp. He was very strong in the games he played against the Rangers during the playoffs. Makes you wonder why he did not get more regular season play. Consensus was Claesson was the Sens 3rd best Dman during playoffs. He got better every round. I see him playing lots of minutes next year.

Out of Ceci, Phaneuf, Methot, Borowiecki and Wideman; one goes to Vegas, two play for the Sens next year and two get dealt before the expansion draft trade deadline. (I really hope they keep Phaneuf and team him with Chabot).

- spatso



LOL, yeah, Wideman, Boriwiecki, Ceci. the Sens really turn out quality crap.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 6 @ 4:38 PM ET
LOL, yeah, Wideman, Boriwiecki, Ceci. the Sens really turn out quality crap.
- prock


Perhaps Pierre Dorion had you in mind when he was talking about watching guys speed down the boards and get drilled by Borowiecki. After that they become a lot more tentative.

Every team needs a Borowiecki or a Methot or a Phaneuf that is ready to pound guys coming through the neutral zone. Here is the exact quote, I love it

“… I want to punch our analytics people on a daily basis because they come to me with stuff that when they tell me that [Borowiecki]’s no good, I say ‘why don’t you go on the ice with Boro and tell me how much fun it is to get hit ten times in a row?’ Guys go the other way sometimes, but analytics can’t tell you that.”
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: lol @ canucks
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 6 @ 4:50 PM ET
ugh I feel dirty for what I said and now you are using words like goldmine, cornerstone and backend. gross I regret everything
- senstroll


it's been a goldmine for comedy
prock
Nashville Predators
Location: Nice to know how comfortable t, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 6 @ 4:58 PM ET
Perhaps Pierre Dorion had you in mind when he was talking about watching guys speed down the boards and get drilled by Borowiecki. After that they become a lot more tentative.

Every team needs a Borowiecki or a Methot or a Phaneuf that is ready to pound guys coming through the neutral zone. Here is the exact quote, I love it

“… I want to punch our analytics people on a daily basis because they come to me with stuff that when they tell me that

- spatso[Borowiecki]’s no good, I say ‘why don’t you go on the ice with Boro and tell me how much fun it is to get hit ten times in a row?’ Guys go the other way sometimes, but analytics can’t tell you that.”



LOL, yeah, every team needs guys that make them tentative.

like this:





I can see the fear they strike.

ps - sorry couldn't find anything of Borowiecki. I don't think he has any career highlights.
BetterCallSaul
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Canuck fans are the middle child of the NHL.
Joined: 05.07.2013

Jun 6 @ 5:15 PM ET
Please explain how the same line up that lead the league in loser points, and backed into the playoffs, are somehow going to "go further next year"???

Who are they adding to the lineup to improve it? Will it be some UFAs? Are they going to make a big trade?

If not, then will the same lineup, that vastly overachieved, feasted on opponents back up goaltenders, and had the easiest schedule in the entire sports world, had the most luck of any team on the planet ........... just how will they be any better than last season? Do they expect all these fluky breaks that happened last season to repeat themselves next season?

- D0PPELGANGER

Maybe they win more of those overtime games and get less loser points and more extra points? Do you assume that's impossible?
prock
Nashville Predators
Location: Nice to know how comfortable t, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 6 @ 5:23 PM ET
Neilson is a long ways out and no way ahead of Chabot in any way at all.
Dermott is closer, but I would trade both of them for Chabot and add something.

If he is not a top 4 D in the NHL is would be shocked

- senstroll



as i said, they're all 2/3 D in the making.

Nielsen was the better dman for the first half of the Marlies season. It was rather impressive how those 2 held down the fort for the Marlies, in what was considered among the tightest defense in the AHL. I wouldn't underrate what they accomplished, in a professional league, as rookies.

Keep in mind, the Leafs drafting and farm club has been a total goldmine the last 3 years.
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I genuinely think the IQ level is alot lower there than here, so I get to win more arguments. Walshy
Joined: 07.14.2011

Jun 6 @ 6:43 PM ET
Sens have 4 Dmen prospects that would start for the Leafs next year. Only two will make the jump to the Sens.

White will start the season in Ottawa next year. Minimum of three rookies start the season with Ottawa (Chabot, Harpur, White).

- spatso

Who would the 4 be? And who would they replace on the Leafs blueline please?
prock
Nashville Predators
Location: Nice to know how comfortable t, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 6 @ 6:45 PM ET
Who would the 4 be? And who would they replace on the Leafs blueline please?
- walshyleafsfan



They wouldn't necessarily have 1. If theyre smart, they actually give some of these kids a year in the AHL. But they probably need the cheap salaries on roster.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 6 @ 7:27 PM ET
They wouldn't necessarily have 1. If their smart, they actually give some of these kids a year in the AHL. But they probably need the cheap salaries on roster.
- prock


Harpur has been developed carefully through the minors.

Englund was the captain of the Swedish national junior team, he has spent a year in the AHL.

Jaros is a Slovak that they put in the Swedish premier league for a year and he will play in the AHL next year.

Chabot is a protege.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 6 @ 7:29 PM ET
Are you not the same guy who dumped all over Pageau when the Sens grabbed him in the fourth round?
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: he's 35, time to be fart the messenger boy.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 6 @ 7:51 PM ET
Neilson is a long ways out and no way ahead of Chabot in any way at all.
Dermott is closer, but I would trade both of them for Chabot and add something.

If he is not a top 4 D in the NHL is would be shocked

- senstroll


I don't have the quite the confidence you do, but he does look like a good prospect, better than our D prospects.
prock
Nashville Predators
Location: Nice to know how comfortable t, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 6 @ 8:26 PM ET
Are you not the same guy who dumped all over Pageau when the Sens grabbed him in the fourth round?
- spatso


no I dumped on him when you compared him to giroux.

pagiroux is nothing special. undersized 30 point pests are pretty easily replaceable. you guys may like him but the reality is you can pick up a better player in free agency at league minimum.

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