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Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jun 2 @ 12:59 PM ET
This here is Auston Matthews



Best rookie the NHL has seen in years.

- prock

who's that rookie d-man he undresses there?
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 2 @ 1:55 PM ET
who's that rookie d-man he undresses there?
- Feeling Glucky?


Sens are now perennial contenders. The playoff run this year PROVED they are the 3rd
best team in the league with nothing but blue-chippers in the pipeline.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 2 @ 1:58 PM ET
Sens are now perennial contenders. The playoff run this year PROVED they are the 3rd
best team in the league with nothing but blue-chippers in the pipeline.

- Aetherial


I can’t wait for the sens summer optimism and hopefulness as speculation of the guaranteed Duchene trade gets ramped up. After that fails, it will be quickly followed by the eventual crowning of Jay McClement as the true savior and player that will lead the sens to the cup.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 2 @ 2:02 PM ET
I can’t wait for the sens summer optimism and hopefulness as speculation of the guaranteed Duchene trade gets ramped up. After that fails, it will be quickly followed by the eventual crowning of Jay McClement as the true savior and player that will lead the sens to the cup.
- Tumbleweed


On a more serious note, it will be interesting to see if Vegas can be enticed to take Ryan or Phaneuf off their hands.

Since Sens fans seem to think these guys are great, and key contributors, it will be ineresting to see how happy they get if Vegas does them a HUGE favor.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jun 2 @ 2:12 PM ET
On a more serious note, it will be interesting to see if Vegas can be enticed to take Ryan or Phaneuf off their hands.

Since Sens fans seem to think these guys are great, and key contributors, it will be ineresting to see how happy they get if Vegas does them a HUGE favor.

- Aetherial

Just opens the door for even better players to come in, like Brown and Chabot.

NOTHING IS EVER BAD FOR THE SENS!
daeth
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: accuratently, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jun 2 @ 2:20 PM ET
Just opens the door for even better players to come in, like Brown and Chabot.

NOTHING IS EVER BAD FOR THE SENS!

- Feeling Glucky?

That's not true, the parking at the arena is definitely bad. Everyone agrees.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 2 @ 2:35 PM ET
and it affected him all the way through the playoffs eh?

Must be serious.

- Feeling Glucky?


Brown played really well in the playoffs. I wonder if sometimes some of you even follow hockey.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 2 @ 2:37 PM ET
I can’t wait for the sens summer optimism and hopefulness as speculation of the guaranteed Duchene trade gets ramped up. After that fails, it will be quickly followed by the eventual crowning of Jay McClement as the true savior and player that will lead the sens to the cup.
- Tumbleweed


I don't think Duchene is a target for anyone anymore. His end of season performance and World Championship efforts has given some real doubt into his actual appeal.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 2 @ 2:39 PM ET
Just opens the door for even better players to come in, like Brown and Chabot.

NOTHING IS EVER BAD FOR THE SENS!

- Feeling Glucky?


I guess you missed the playoffs. Sens had a great run. Came within one goal of the finals. Next year is looking great.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jun 2 @ 2:42 PM ET
I guess you missed the playoffs. Sens had a great run. Came within one goal of the finals. Next year is looking great.
- spatso


As a Leafs' fan, I fully agree.

We'll get to see the Leafs' youngsters continue to grow, AND be treated to Sens fans trying to figure out why their team is regressing.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 2 @ 2:44 PM ET
On a more serious note, it will be interesting to see if Vegas can be enticed to take Ryan or Phaneuf off their hands.

Since Sens fans seem to think these guys are great, and key contributors, it will be ineresting to see how happy they get if Vegas does them a HUGE favor.

- Aetherial


I am fine with Ryan moving on. He had a good playoff run and is a great guy in the dressing room and very popular with his team mates. But he is not a very good skater and I think his game is in decline.

Phaneuf is another matter. He has been a great influence on all the young guys and with Chabot and Harpur likely starting next year his presence would be very good.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 2 @ 2:49 PM ET
As a Leafs' fan, I fully agree.

We'll get to see the Leafs' youngsters continue to grow, AND be treated to Sens fans trying to figure out why their team is regressing.

- Feeling Glucky?


Yes you have been saying that for a very long time. Leafs wimped out, falling to an underperforming Washington team.

On the other hand, Sens took Boston in 6, New York in 6 and lost to the Pens in 7.

But, clearly the Leafs have a great summer game ramping up as we head into the draft.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 2 @ 2:50 PM ET
I am fine with Ryan moving on. He had a good playoff run and is a great guy in the dressing room and very popular with his team mates. But he is not a very good skater and I think his game is in decline.

Phaneuf is another matter. He has been a great influence on all the young guys and with Chabot and Harpur likely starting next year his presence would be very good.

- spatso


I suspect that if Vegas takes Phaneuf, the narrative will become about how you fleeced the Leafs by dumping garbage salaries for two years of great leadership and play out of Phaneuf and you still aren't stuck with that contract for 4 more years.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jun 2 @ 3:36 PM ET
This here is Auston Matthews



Best rookie the NHL has seen in years.

- prock


Up there with Matt Murray.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jun 2 @ 3:41 PM ET
On a more serious note, it will be interesting to see if Vegas can be enticed to take Ryan or Phaneuf off their hands.

Since Sens fans seem to think these guys are great, and key contributors, it will be ineresting to see how happy they get if Vegas does them a HUGE favor.

- Aetherial


Sens would be fine if either were selected ........... I would not like to see Ryan go though.

Ottawa has some pretty good depth on D, after seeing both Harpur and Claesson play well for a number of regular and playoff games this spring .......... both could easily step into the roster ........... and there's that Chabot guy who should end up playing in Ottawa at some point in the next season......... so the loss of Phaneuf would not be the end of the world ....... except for spatso perhaps.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jun 2 @ 3:42 PM ET
That's not true, the parking at the arena is definitely bad. Everyone agrees.
- daeth



That will be fixed at the new Arena .......... it will have less than 500 parking spots.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 2 @ 3:44 PM ET
Brown played really well in the playoffs. I wonder if sometimes some of you even follow hockey.
- spatso

D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jun 2 @ 3:44 PM ET
As a Leafs' fan, I fully agree.

We'll get to see the Leafs' youngsters continue to grow, AND be treated to Sens fans trying to figure out why their team is regressing.

- Feeling Glucky?



What makes you think the leafs current roster will be any better than they were last year, when they pretty much over achieved as group.

Do you know of any additions that will be brought in to improve the roster?
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 2 @ 3:47 PM ET
Who overachieved the most last year: LEAFS OR SENS?

SENS. And it's not even close.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 2 @ 3:51 PM ET
I am fine with Ryan moving on. He had a good playoff run and is a great guy in the dressing room and very popular with his team mates. But he is not a very good skater and I think his game is in decline.

Phaneuf is another matter. He has been a great influence on all the young guys and with Chabot and Harpur likely starting next year his presence would be very good.

- spatso


ryan + 1st to LV for a 7th
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 2 @ 3:55 PM ET
What makes you think the leafs current roster will be any better than they were last year, when they pretty much over achieved as group.

Do you know of any additions that will be brought in to improve the roster?

- D0PPELGANGER


The assumption is that rookies get better.

This does happen.

Injuries also happen, and sophomore slumps happen also.

The thing is, injuries are a wild card for everyone and Sophomore slumps don't always happen, and not to truly excellent prospects. All of the big 3 exceeded Eichel's rookie production (I think). It is not unreasonable to expect at least 2 of the 3 will not run into the sophomore slump.

The numbers Dopps. The numbers, and the early acocmplishments of an extremely young team is too good to simply waive off.

Additions are pretty likely considering the status of a couple contracts on players who do have value... go look up production per salary on a JVR or a Bozak. It makes them pretty valuable, even for a year. In addition, the Leafs have some cap space to play with. I don't think they used their LTIR room last year, and likely won't have to this year.

Yeah, anything can happen, but the REALITY is that it is likely the Leafs make one significant addition, also likely that one of the young D in the system or one of the new Swedes on D is able to crack the lineup. It is more likely that VERY young players get better rather than worse.

If I had to predict, I would say they will be in the mix again, in a very crowded battle for a playoff spot, since Tampa, and about 5 other teams in the east could all be better.

Frankly, I expect the Sens to win the Atlantic next year. I see Montreal falling back to second or 3rd.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jun 2 @ 3:57 PM ET
Who overachieved the most last year: LEAFS OR SENS?

SENS. And it's not even close.

- Tumbleweed



Sens played their new system, that was geared to the talents on the team, and once they were a couple of months into the season, they were playing up to their potential.

In fact, I don't think they lost more that two consecutive games, in regulation, for the entire season ......... so pretty consistent.

The leafs on the other hand will have a hard time repeating the season the had in 2016-17.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jun 2 @ 4:01 PM ET
The assumption is that rookies get better.

This does happen.

Injuries also happen, and sophomore slumps happen also.

The thing is, injuries are a wild card for everyone and Sophomore slumps don't always happen, and not to truly excellent prospects. All of the big 3 exceeded Eichel's rookie production (I think). It is not unreasonable to expect at least 2 of the 3 will not run into the sophomore slump.

The numbers Dopps. The numbers, and the early acocmplishments of an extremely young team is too good to simply waive off.

Additions are pretty likely considering the status of a couple contracts on players who do have value... go look up production per salary on a JVR or a Bozak. It makes them pretty valuable, even for a year. In addition, the Leafs have some cap space to play with. I don't think they used their LTIR room last year, and likely won't have to this year.

Yeah, anything can happen, but the REALITY is that it is likely the Leafs make one significant addition, also likely that one of the young D in the system or one of the new Swedes on D is able to crack the lineup. It is more likely that VERY young players get better rather than worse.

If I had to predict, I would say they will be in the mix again, in a very crowded battle for a playoff spot, since Tampa, and about 5 other teams in the east could all be better.

Frankly, I expect the Sens to win the Atlantic next year. I see Montreal falling back to second or 3rd.

- Aetherial



Not me, I think, as you and others have pointed out, that teams like the Lightning, Panthers and Sabres will be better next season, and all three could end up higher in the standings than both Ontario teams. I see the Bruins and Habs slipping a bit................. but let's see what trades and or signings are made over the summer before anyone nails down their predictions for the next season.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 2 @ 4:03 PM ET
Sens played their new system, that was geared to the talents on the team, and once they were a couple of months into the season, they were playing up to their potential.

In fact, I don't think they lost more that two consecutive games, in regulation, for the entire season ......... so pretty consistent.

The leafs on the other hand will have a hard time repeating the season the had in 2016-17.

- D0PPELGANGER



lol. sens fans completely out of touch with reality after a fluky C.I.N.D.E.R.R.E.L.L.A. run.

will make watching the fall even better next year seeing how high you guys are now.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jun 2 @ 4:21 PM ET
Yes you have been saying that for a very long time. Leafs wimped out, falling to an underperforming Washington team.

On the other hand, Sens took Boston in 6, New York in 6 and lost to the Pens in 7.

But, clearly the Leafs have a great summer game ramping up as we head into the draft.

- spatso

Sens overperformed, driven by a hot goaltender.

Tell me, in his time with the Sens, how has Anderson done the season after a good season?
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