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spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 1 @ 6:10 AM ET
did matthews carry the leafs to the 3rd round? didn't think so.
- daeth


Matthews had a very good year. He will see a lot tougher line match ups next year but I do not think he will experience significant deterioration in his offensive output. His performance defensively may be open to challenges but good defensive play can be learned and I think he will be okay playing against a top centre and D combination every night.

I think the East is a dogfight with almost every team making improvements. Carolina is very good with strong D and watch for Tampa and Boston to also be a lot better. All these teams will play a 1-3-1 off of a high speed counter attack. The Leafs are going to need to tighten up defensively but I think they will be okay.

I believe we will see the Rangers tank in the second half. I don't believe Montreal duplicates their fast start of the last few years and they miss badly.

Does Ottawa get another good year from Anderson? Not so sure.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 1 @ 6:13 AM ET
Nope

Have Dermott, not far off of him.

- burn


So sad. Sometimes we just will ourselves into believing what we hope will happen.
BetterCallSaul
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Canuck fans are the middle child of the NHL.
Joined: 05.07.2013

Jun 1 @ 6:45 AM ET
If you listen to TSN Montreal 690 you know they go on forever about how weak the Canadiens are down the middle and how much they would like to have a centre like Kyle Turris (backed up by Pageau and Brassard). It was apparent in the series against Rangers just how feeble Montreal has become down the middle. Obviously the Sens depth at centre was one of the primary reasons the Sens took out the Rangers in 6 (Pageau, Pageau, Pageau).

For those of you who do not fully appreciate Kyle Turris you need to look at the kind of all round game played by Bergeron and Toews. Turris plays a full 200' game usually against the very best player on the opposing team. In the third period and overtime he has been a dominate player for the Sens all year. The Canadieans should be so lucky as to have a centre of Kyle Turris' calibre.

- spatso

Kadri > Turris.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 1 @ 7:37 AM ET
Matthews had a very good year. He will see a lot tougher line match ups next year but I do not think he will experience significant deterioration in his offensive output. His performance defensively may be open to challenges but good defensive play can be learned and I think he will be okay playing against a top centre and D combination every night.

I think the East is a dogfight with almost every team making improvements. Carolina is very good with strong D and watch for Tampa and Boston to also be a lot better. All these teams will play a 1-3-1 off of a high speed counter attack. The Leafs are going to need to tighten up defensively but I think they will be okay.

I believe we will see the Rangers tank in the second half. I don't believe Montreal duplicates their fast start of the last few years and they miss badly.

Does Ottawa get another good year from Anderson? Not so sure.

- spatso



Matthews spent the entire 2nd half playing head to head against the oppositions top players, his offense didn't drop off then.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 1 @ 7:39 AM ET
Kadri > Turris.
- BetterCallSaul



Easily, and he's not even our best center.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 1 @ 7:43 AM ET
So sad. Sometimes we just will ourselves into believing what we hope will happen.
- spatso



Do explain.


You have spent the past year talking up chabot and how he's the saviour of the sens blue line, and how the leafs don't have anything coming to help their d.

Their numbers are pretty similar, but somehow the guy in the chl is better than the guy in the ahl and closer to the nhl.


If you think that ANYONE would trade nylander for chabot you're a bigger retard than anyone thinks.
Pie
Montreal Canadiens
Location: taking the low road
Joined: 10.14.2006

Jun 1 @ 7:53 AM ET
If you listen to TSN Montreal 690 you know they go on forever about how weak the Canadiens are down the middle and how much they would like to have a centre like Kyle Turris (backed up by Pageau and Brassard). It was apparent in the series against Rangers just how feeble Montreal has become down the middle. Obviously the Sens depth at centre was one of the primary reasons the Sens took out the Rangers in 6 (Pageau, Pageau, Pageau).

For those of you who do not fully appreciate Kyle Turris you need to look at the kind of all round game played by Bergeron and Toews. Turris plays a full 200' game usually against the very best player on the opposing team. In the third period and overtime he has been a dominate player for the Sens all year. The Canadieans should be so lucky as to have a centre of Kyle Turris' calibre.

- spatso

I don't listen to 690 and I don't think you quite understand what I was suggesting but probably because you are legitimately retarded.
daws44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 02.08.2010

Jun 1 @ 8:00 AM ET
Seriously. I know that you have a good hockey mind and sometimes you can be highly insightful.

Ottawa has committed to building around Karlsson and playing a counter attacking game off of a 1-3-1. Nothing special in playing a 1-3-1, most teams follow that approach, Ottawa is better than most.

But, Ottawa has invested in building a strong D with the ability to drive the play from the back end. They have two players in Chabot and Harpur they believe will make the team out of training camp next year. They have two more in Englund and Jaros that they believe are not far off in playing in the NHL.

I think the Sens want Phaneuf for at least one more year. He was an extremely positive influence on the young guys throughout the playoffs and I have no doubt that the Sens would not make it past Boston or the Rangers without the outstanding play and leadership of Phaneuf.

With the young guys they will be adding next year I think it is imperative that they keep Phaneuf. I believe the Sens will move Methot + for more offence. Many believe Claesson was Ottawa's 2nd best playoff Dman and I believe he will be paired with Karlsson next season. Dorion believes White makes the team and Brown has a very good shot at making the team out of training camp as well.

- spatso



SUMMER TALK!
That's some strong Kool-aid you're drinking.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 1 @ 8:16 AM ET
SUMMER TALK!
That's some strong Kool-aid you're drinking.

- daws44



Only leafs fan guilty of summer talk. What spatso is doing is being reasonable and not over estimating anything.

All leafs regress, all sens who are old and broken down get better next year. All leafs prospects who are on their way who outperformed Sens prospects suck and aren't going to amount to anything and sens prospects who performed mediocre are sure fire nhlers (next year) going to make big impact and save the sens.

Summer talk only exists for leafs
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jun 1 @ 9:01 AM ET
Do you think they'd trade Matthews for Karlsson?
- PhillySportsGuy


It would address needs for both teams, but I don't think either fanbase would like this trade.......Plus the age difference would be an issue, and something else would have to be included.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jun 1 @ 9:06 AM ET
Matthews had a very good year. He will see a lot tougher line match ups next year but I do not think he will experience significant deterioration in his offensive output. His performance defensively may be open to challenges but good defensive play can be learned and I think he will be okay playing against a top centre and D combination every night.

I think the East is a dogfight with almost every team making improvements. Carolina is very good with strong D and watch for Tampa and Boston to also be a lot better. All these teams will play a 1-3-1 off of a high speed counter attack. The Leafs are going to need to tighten up defensively but I think they will be okay.

I believe we will see the Rangers tank in the second half. I don't believe Montreal duplicates their fast start of the last few years and they miss badly.

Does Ottawa get another good year from Anderson? Not so sure.

- spatso




Matthews far exceeded most peoples expectations this season, even though the style of play toronto uses allows offensive minded players to rack up points........ Matthews is the real deal, and will only get better the more he's challenged ............ at least that is what I think based on the amount of time I saw him play (vs Ottawa) and seeing him in the highlights almost every night.
prock
Nashville Predators
Location: Nice to know how comfortable t, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 1 @ 9:09 AM ET
It would address needs for both teams, but I don't think either fanbase would like this trade.......Plus the age difference would be an issue, and something else would have to be included.
- D0PPELGANGER



I don't think thebleafs would consider it, even with karlson and a first. that 28th pick is nothing special.

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