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senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Apr 28 @ 10:17 AM ET
The Canadian Tire Centre wasn't sold out?
2000 empty seats on the warmest day in Ottawa in 7 months.

W.T.F.

- Not_Yan


The Leafs get more fans standing outside the building than the Sens inside
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 28 @ 10:35 AM ET
Because he doesn't recognize that when they take a bad shot that his guys recover, and turn into zone time and pressure, that results in a net negative for those guys.

I've explained this like 6 times now.

- Feeling Glucky?



a) this makes no sense.
b) It sounds like you're trying to make assumptions on who recovers the puck, and
c) it's not a statistically negative thing for them, in fact, it's Corsi favourable, UNTIL the other team manages to take the puck back up ice, and get a shot attempt of their own, and even then, you're assuming the same line is on the ice.

prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 28 @ 10:36 AM ET
Nobody is padding thier corsi stats, maybe a few extra shots here and there over a season.

There are lots of other stats to debunk that stuff, shot distances and DH/LD areas.

- senstroll



So you think it happens, just not much?

I think you guys are naive. Small numbers swing players from one end of the spectrum to the other, for Corsi.

These guys know people pay attention to them, and their salaries to some extent are influenced by them. If you don't think they'll try to improve them, you're kidding yourself.

Obviously their focus out there is to win a game, but if they have the chance, to make one small play vs another (for example, a dump into the corner, vs a long ranges shot on net), there are definitely instances they'll take the one that will help out their possession stats. Not all of them, but certainly some. It's naive to think, that when it could conceivably get them a couple of hundred thousand dollars a year more, they won't try it.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Apr 28 @ 10:48 AM ET
So you think it happens, just not much?

I think you guys are naive. Small numbers swing players from one end of the spectrum to the other, for Corsi.

These guys know people pay attention to them, and their salaries to some extent are influenced by them. If you don't think they'll try to improve them, you're kidding yourself.

Obviously their focus out there is to win a game, but if they have the chance, to make one small play vs another (for example, a dump into the corner, vs a long ranges shot on net), there are definitely instances they'll take the one that will help out their possession stats. Not all of them, but certainly some. It's naive to think, that when it could conceivably get them a couple of hundred thousand dollars a year more, they won't try it.

- prock


I dont think it happens enough to waste several pages here talking about it
daws44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 02.08.2010

Apr 28 @ 11:28 AM ET
First period was best playoff team play for Sens so far.
- spatso


Big win.
Congrats.
Pathetic attendance.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Apr 28 @ 11:46 AM ET
The Leafs get more fans standing outside the building than the Sens inside
- senstroll



I wonder why that is?

Perhaps it's the downtown location, and easy public transit access of the ACC, in a Metropolitan City population of 6.2 Million (2016 census) versus a suburban location, with terrible public transit access of the CTC, in a Metropolitan City population of 1.3 Million?

Perhaps it has something to do with the largest employer in Ottawa (aprox 40%) screwing up their pay system well over a year ago, and people are unsure if they're going to get paid from one week to another, because the pay system issues are still unresolved?

Perhaps it's the stupid parking lot at the CTC, and how it's an PITA to get out of it after a game?


Perhaps it's the higher priced tickets for games, and the jacked up prices for parking in the playoffs?




Perhaps it's all of the above.

Still higher attendance than the leafs games, in the second .................. oh wait!
daeth
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: accuratently, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Apr 28 @ 11:56 AM ET
I wonder why that is?

Perhaps it's the downtown location, and easy public transit access of the ACC, in a Metropolitan City population of 6.2 Million (2016 census) versus a suburban location, with terrible public transit access of the CTC, in a Metropolitan City population of 1.3 Million?

Perhaps it has something to do with the largest employer in Ottawa (aprox 40%) screwing up their pay system well over a year ago, and people are unsure if they're going to get paid from one week to another, because the pay system issues are still unresolved?

Perhaps it's the stupid parking lot at the CTC, and how it's an PITA to get out of it after a game?


Perhaps it's the higher priced tickets for games, and the jacked up prices for parking in the playoffs?




Perhaps it's all of the above.

Still higher attendance than the leafs games, in the second .................. oh wait!

- D0PPELGANGER

There just aren't very many Sens fans if we want to deal in facts instead of excuses.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Apr 28 @ 12:31 PM ET
There just aren't very many Sens fans if we want to deal in facts instead of excuses.
- daeth



Well I'm a Sens fan ............. who lives about 2km west of Bank Street (south) and the location of the Arena is a deterrent to me when deciding to go to games...... traffic, poor OC transpo connections. The last game I went this season, the parking was $18, I think, and they've increased it for the playoffs ........... so I'm guessing in the $25 range. So there are a lot of reasons, for people, to decide for themselves if it's worth it to go to games.

If I go to game five, I'll have a better look at things for myself.
daeth
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: accuratently, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Apr 28 @ 12:35 PM ET
a 40+ minute drive to get to a game and $20 parking doesn't stop toronto from filling seats. why? because there are a ton of leafs fans.

fake excuses.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Apr 28 @ 12:37 PM ET
Well I'm a Sens fan ............. who lives about 2km west of Bank Street (south) and the location of the Arena is a deterrent to me when deciding to go to games...... traffic, poor OC transpo connections. The last game I went this season, the parking was $18, I think, and they've increased it for the playoffs ........... so I'm guessing in the $25 range. So there are a lot of reasons, for people, to decide for themselves if it's worth it to go to games.

If I go to game five, I'll have a better look at things for myself.

- D0PPELGANGER



We get it.. the cost of the experience is not worth it to you.

Based on the attendance yesterday there are a lot of fickle whiny fans like you around Ottawa
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Apr 28 @ 12:39 PM ET
a 40+ minute drive to get to a game and $20 parking doesn't stop toronto from filling seats. why? because there are a ton of leafs fans.

fake excuses.

- daeth


In Toronto it's a 40 minute drive and $20 parking to get to your neighbour's house. Also, let's not pretend there isn't a subway station (union) near the ACC.

Fake arguments.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Apr 28 @ 12:40 PM ET
So far the Sens are making it a bit tough for a certain Turdronto fan in here
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Apr 28 @ 12:41 PM ET
In Toronto it's a 40 minute drive and $20 parking to get to your neighbour's house. Also, let's not pretend there isn't a subway station (union) near the ACC.

Fake arguments.

- golfingsince


I take the Go train from pickering to games down town..the whole thing takes an hour or so to get to your seat.. plus the Go train costs (more than $20)

whiners

daeth
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: accuratently, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Apr 28 @ 12:43 PM ET
It takes longer to get around the GTA than it does to go from downtown Ottawa to their poopty rink. That doesn't affect attendance here because there are millions of people that want to see the game. Ottawa's much smaller population combined with a lot of people not even being Senator fans in the Ottawa area (lots of Bruins, Habs, and Leafs fans) is why there are empty seats. It has nothing to do with location*. That's just an excuse.

edit: *rink location
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Apr 28 @ 12:44 PM ET
It takes longer to get around the GTA than it does to go from downtown Ottawa to their poopty rink. That doesn't affect attendance here because there are millions of people that want to see the game. Ottawa's much smaller population combined with a lot of people not even being Senator fans in the Ottawa area (lots of Bruins, Habs, and Leafs fans) is why there are empty seats. It has nothing to do with location. That's just an excuse.
- daeth



plus once you get there you have to watch the sens play hockey
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Apr 28 @ 12:45 PM ET
So far the Sens are making it a bit tough for a certain Turdronto fan in here
- Crimsoninja


this thread is now only for fans of teams that made the playoffs, please and thanks.
daeth
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: accuratently, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Apr 28 @ 12:47 PM ET
Honestly makes me laugh imagining a 25 minute drive being the reason why someone won't go to a playoff game.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Apr 28 @ 12:53 PM ET
I take the Go train from pickering to games down town..the whole thing takes an hour or so to get to your seat.. plus the Go train costs (more than $20)

whiners

- senstroll


You're just happy to get away from the nuclear waste for 3 hours.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Apr 28 @ 1:13 PM ET
You're just happy to get away from the nuclear waste for 3 hours.
- golfingsince



I dont live in Pickering, its just the place we stop to take the train

Add in another 3 hours of travel to get there.

25 minutes to Kanata .. whiners
daeth
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: accuratently, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Apr 28 @ 1:17 PM ET
I dont live in Pickering, its just the place we stop to take the train

Add in another 3 hours of travel to get there.

25 minutes to Kanata .. whiners

- senstroll

$20 parking man. $20. he'd have an aneurysm if he knew how much i spent on cracker jacks and beer at jays games.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Apr 28 @ 1:22 PM ET
I dont live in Pickering, its just the place we stop to take the train

Add in another 3 hours of travel to get there.

25 minutes to Kanata .. whiners

- senstroll


Oh, you must make it to games all the time!!
daeth
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: accuratently, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Apr 28 @ 1:25 PM ET
Oh, you must make it to games all the time!!
- golfingsince

doesn't have to since there are a lot of leafs fans. so basically the opposite of ottawa's situation.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Apr 28 @ 2:06 PM ET
doesn't have to since there are a lot of leafs fans. so basically the opposite of ottawa's situation.
- daeth


Has this thread been reduced to Leafs vs Sens, who has the greater population?


I'm pretty sure we could have saved 700 pages and countless time. ( could have been used on the pizza/beer/wings machine )
daeth
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: accuratently, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Apr 28 @ 2:13 PM ET
Has this thread been reduced to Leafs vs Sens, who has the greater population?


I'm pretty sure we could have saved 700 pages and countless time. ( could have been used on the pizza/beer/wings machine )

- golfingsince

this entire thread is an atrocity. if aliens came down to earth and used this thread to judge our intelligence they'd squish us like the insignificant ants we are. i assure you the "sens can't fill their building" talk isn't even close to the low point of this thread.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 28 @ 2:15 PM ET
a) this makes no sense.
b) It sounds like you're trying to make assumptions on who recovers the puck, and
c) it's not a statistically negative thing for them, in fact, it's Corsi favourable, UNTIL the other team manages to take the puck back up ice, and get a shot attempt of their own, and even then, you're assuming the same line is on the ice.

- prock

a) it does.
b) firing the puck at the net is almost never a bad idea - if your team maintains possession, then who the (frank) cares that a guy took a shot? Coaches preach this, and it's corsi favourable, because that line kept possession, WHICH IS WHAT THE (frank)ING STAT TRACKS. And again, if every game this hypothetical guy is taking blatantly dumb shots, the coach will have something to say about that.
c)If the guy is taking dumb shots that consistently result in turn-overs, and cost his team in terms of possession, then it's going to come back to haunt him.
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