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Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

Apr 24 @ 6:11 PM ET
You don't decide who the underdog is.
- Feeling Glucky?


uh, ok
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

Apr 24 @ 6:12 PM ET
you're the least fun person ever
- Pie


Ever?

really?

That is so mean.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

Apr 24 @ 6:24 PM ET
Playoffs tell you a lot about the future.

Do not discount the fact that game 6 was played with Claesson and Harpur and that Wideman (healthy scratch) and Borowiecki (injured) were not in the line up.

Next year the Sens will start Chabot, Harpur and Claesson on the back end. Their defence is going to get a lot bigger, younger and faster with a lot more firepower.

Phaneuf and Ceci played a monster game. As the Bruins did everything to try and stop Karlsson they also made it too easy for Phaneuf and Ceci. They recorded an unheard of plus 90 CF% in game 6. The fancy stat guys are still working on trying to figure out and explain the meaning of their number.

- spatso


Whistling in the graveyard.
Pie
Montreal Canadiens
Location: taking the low road
Joined: 10.14.2006

Apr 24 @ 6:34 PM ET
Ever?

really?

That is so mean.

- Aetherial

the contenders







muffin_man
Montreal Canadiens
Location: no problem, as s hole - Eric Engels, NY
Joined: 02.10.2007

Apr 24 @ 7:44 PM ET
Leafs.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Apr 24 @ 7:51 PM ET
Leafs.
- muffin_man


Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 24 @ 8:31 PM ET
uh, ok
- Aetherial

Dig up the list of all the writers who had the Leafs out in 5, they mainly had the Sens out quickly too.

Hockey reference and money puck also had them as the underdogs.

I think the vegas odds were against Ottawa too, but I don't pay much attention to those, so I can't be sure.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Apr 25 @ 8:12 AM ET
Dig up the list of all the writers who had the Leafs out in 5, they mainly had the Sens out quickly too.

Hockey reference and money puck also had them as the underdogs.

I think the vegas odds were against Ottawa too, but I don't pay much attention to those, so I can't be sure.

- Feeling Glucky?





YEAH, who are those guys .............. 6 games is SO much greater of a difference than 5 games!!!!!!


Those dummies....... they all predicted the leafs would be bounced in either 4, 5 or 6 games ........... and they were so far off it was ridiculous!!!


http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...s-first-round-predictions
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Apr 25 @ 8:15 AM ET
Lets see how those dummies at ESPN, who were WAY OFF on their leaf vs Capitals predictions, now see the second round turning out.

http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...-second-round-predictions




Buccigross
Capitals in 7
Rangers in 7
Ducks in 6
Predators in 6

Burnside
Capitals in 7
Rangers in 6
Ducks in 6
Predators in 7


Cohn
Penguins in 6
Rangers in 6
Ducks in 6
Predators in 5

Custance
Capitals in 7
Rangers in 5
Ducks in 7
Predators in 7

Grant
Penguins in 7
Rangers in 6
Ducks in 6
Predators in 6

Kavanagh
Capitals in 7
Rangers in 6
Ducks in 7
Predators in 6

LeBrun
Penguins in 7
Rangers in 6
Ducks in 7
Predators in 6


Levy
Capitals in 5
Rangers in 5
Oilers in 7
Blues in 7

McDonald
Penguins in 6
Rangers in 6
Oilers in 7
Predators in 7

Melrose
Penguins in 7
Rangers in 6
Ducks in 6
Blues in 7

Virk
Capitals in 6
Senators in 6
Oilers in 6
Blues in 6
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 25 @ 8:17 AM ET
Lets see how those dummies at ESPN, who were WAY OFF on their leaf vs Capitals predictions, now see the second round turning out.

http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...-second-round-predictions

- D0PPELGANGER



are you trying to point out that none of them picked a Rangers sweep?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Apr 25 @ 8:24 AM ET
are you trying to point out that none of them picked a Rangers sweep?
- prock


No, just pointing out predictions, for what they're worth.

Hope the series goes beyond 4 games, as I have secured tickets to game #5.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Apr 25 @ 8:30 AM ET
Lets put things in perspective.

Both the Senators and leafs benefited form things that happened to other teams.

Stamkos injury

Eichel injury

Florida going all in on analytics, and trading away two of their best dmen and firing the coach as a result

I suspect if Florida "stood pat" and returned with basically the same team that won the division the season before, and if Buffalo and Tampa had Eichel and Stamkos healthy for the entire season ............ then probably neither Ontario team make the playoffs.

- D0PPELGANGER


why do you reply to posts and not actually address the question?

D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Apr 25 @ 8:41 AM ET
why do you reply to posts and not actually address the question?
- senstroll


Pretty sure I shed some light on the unexpected achievements of the two Ontario Based teams.

Most "Experts" did not see either team making the playoffs, and saw Tampa, Florida and perhaps Buffalo finishing higher than they all did ........... and the two Ontario teams benefited from the reasons those three teams failed to meet expectations.

I know you want all the "Experts" to pump the tires of the leafs, and perhaps deflate the Senators tires a bit ............ you want your team to be the darling of the "Experts" ......... when it really does not matter...because so many unpredictable things can happen over season that can hurt and hinder a teams chances of making the playoffs, and in turn, benefit the other teams in the division.

I'm no expert, and I suspect no one here is either, but IF both Tampa, Florida and Buffalo get their acts together, and their respective Stars remain healthy all (next) season ........... both Ottawa and toronto will have their work cut out for them, if they assume today, they're playoff bound next season because they made the playoffs this season.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Apr 25 @ 8:52 AM ET
No, just pointing out predictions, for what they're worth.

Hope the series goes beyond 4 games, as I have secured tickets to game #5.

- D0PPELGANGER


Good for you, I hope you get to see your team win.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Apr 25 @ 9:07 AM ET
Good for you, I hope you get to see your team win.
- golfingsince



Rangers should win this series.......... great goal tending, and strong down the center (position), and better defense than the Bruins were able to ice.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Apr 25 @ 9:09 AM ET
Rangers should win this series.......... great goal tending, and strong down the center (position), and better defense than the Bruins were able to ice.
- D0PPELGANGER


They should, you'll need an Anderson hot streak to advance from here on out. However, you could see your team win game 5 regardless.

I've had the pleasure of watching my team win many playoff games live, and also lose a pile including elimination games.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Apr 25 @ 9:20 AM ET
They should, you'll need an Anderson hot streak to advance from here on out. However, you could see your team win game 5 regardless.

I've had the pleasure of watching my team win many playoff games live, and also lose a pile including elimination games.

- golfingsince



Anderson's numbers vs the Rangers are pretty good, as is the Senators record at MSG ........ but that's the past, and not enough to bet money on the Sens, in my opinion.

I was offered tickets to game one, but could not make it.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Apr 25 @ 9:48 AM ET
This site is saying Ottawa vs NYR as 50/50 ............. which is not what I see.............. more like 40/60 at best.

Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 25 @ 9:52 AM ET
YEAH, who are those guys .............. 6 games is SO much greater of a difference than 5 games!!!!!!


Those dummies....... they all predicted the leafs would be bounced in either 4, 5 or 6 games ........... and they were so far off it was ridiculous!!!


http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...s-first-round-predictions

- D0PPELGANGER


Thanks for bringing up the link, couldn't be bothered to look for it.

As you will see, it shows the Senators were the heavy underdogs, as I said.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Apr 25 @ 10:09 AM ET
two Garry Lawless quotes from his articles

On Laine


On Matthews



prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 25 @ 10:36 AM ET
Pretty sure I shed some light on the unexpected achievements of the two Ontario Based teams.

Most "Experts" did not see either team making the playoffs, and saw Tampa, Florida and perhaps Buffalo finishing higher than they all did ........... and the two Ontario teams benefited from the reasons those three teams failed to meet expectations.

I know you want all the "Experts" to pump the tires of the leafs, and perhaps deflate the Senators tires a bit ............ you want your team to be the darling of the "Experts" ......... when it really does not matter...because so many unpredictable things can happen over season that can hurt and hinder a teams chances of making the playoffs, and in turn, benefit the other teams in the division.

I'm no expert, and I suspect no one here is either, but IF both Tampa, Florida and Buffalo get their acts together, and their respective Stars remain healthy all (next) season ........... both Ottawa and toronto will have their work cut out for them, if they assume today, they're playoff bound next season because they made the playoffs this season.

- D0PPELGANGER




LOL, is that what we want?

I don't really care what the "experts" say. Really, it's just a second opinion on what Leaf fans already know - that the Leafs will be a dominant team for the next decade. senatards will yell and scream that they have a great team, with great youth, but when we point to the 'experts', it's really just pointing out that no one outside ottawa really thinks much of the senaturds.

Pretty sure most publications see the senaturds for what they are, and it's near unanimous that they won't beat the Rangers. If the Bruins weren't missing 3 of their top 4 dman, the senaturds probably don't get past the first round this year.

I'm pretty sure of that. Pointing to what the 'experts' think, is just really validating my opinion.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 25 @ 10:47 AM ET
two Garry Lawless quotes from his articles

On Laine


On Matthews




- senstroll



Well, as much as he is an idiot, what he says about "topping out", could be interpreted to say that maybe Laine has a season or two that are over and above any one season that Matthews puts together.

Given that Laine is one hell of a goal scorer, it wouldn't be absurd for him to put up a 60 goal season, or something like that.

Now, the realist in me says that is not what he means, and that's why he's widely recognized as a moron.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Apr 25 @ 11:00 AM ET
Thanks for bringing up the link, couldn't be bothered to look for it.

As you will see, it shows the Senators were the heavy underdogs, as I said.

- Feeling Glucky?


It's ESPN, what do those dummies know, the leaf should have been the favourites, based on their future greatness .......... and the Senators should have been given no chance in hell, should have been swept based on the "underlying numbers"

golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Apr 25 @ 11:17 AM ET
Thanks for bringing up the link, couldn't be bothered to look for it.

As you will see, it shows the Senators were the heavy underdogs, as I said.

- Feeling Glucky?


The only respectable hockey guy there picked the Sens.

D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Apr 25 @ 11:29 AM ET
Props to the Sens for beating the Bruins.

Genuinely did not think they had it in them.


Edit: and good on MacArthur especially.

- Feeling Glucky?



In case you missed it ...... they had it in them, as you can see





Thursday, April 27 7 p.m. NY Rangers at Ottawa CNBC, CBC, TVA Sports

Saturday, April 29 3 p.m. NY Rangers at Ottawa NBC, CBC, TVA Sports

Tuesday, May 2 7 p.m. Ottawa at NY Rangers NBCSN, CBC, TVA Sports

Thursday, May 4 7:30 p.m. Ottawa at NY Rangers NBCSN, CBC, TVA Sports

*Saturday, May 6 TBD NY Rangers at Ottawa TBD

*Tuesday, May 9 TBD Ottawa at NY Rangers TBD

*Thursday, May 11 TBD NY Rangers at Ottawa TBD
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