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haywoodjablome
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 05.09.2014

Apr 19 @ 6:55 AM ET
Have to update this post

Miss playoffs 9/10 years
2006 - Toews
2007 - Kane
2008 - Missed playoffs but big jump in points
2009 - Long playoff Run
2010 - Won Cup

Miss playoffs 10/11 years
2015 - Marner
2016 - Matthews
2017 - made the playoffs (how far TBD)
2018 - ?
2019 - ?

Also feel like Nylander needs a mention, as well Hossa gets added. Important pieces

Go Leafs!

- senstroll


I think you're kind if ignoring the fact that they also drafted and put together what was likely the best defensive group in the entire NHL which was largely in place before they got Kane and toews.

Chicago also had a ridiculous amount of depth up front.....you mentioned hossa but they also had sharp, byfuglien, ladd, browser, versteeg.....and they had them all in their prime.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 19 @ 8:34 AM ET
I think you're kind if ignoring the fact that they also drafted and put together what was likely the best defensive group in the entire NHL which was largely in place before they got Kane and toews.

Chicago also had a ridiculous amount of depth up front.....you mentioned hossa but they also had sharp, byfuglien, ladd, browser, versteeg.....and they had them all in their prime.

- haywoodjablome

Leafs also have a ridiculous amount of forward depth... and while Rielly had a rough year, he's rebounded down the stretch and this postseason. Easily looks like a #1. Gardiner is also killing it this year, and Zaitsev looked pretty damn good, not to mention they have two of the AHL's best dmen waiting for their chance at the big leagues.

They should be looking for another top-pairing guy, no doubt, but they've got plenty of assets to acquire one without weakening themselves.


Also, Andersen>Niemi, so there's that.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Apr 19 @ 8:47 AM ET
Matthews is easily the third most valuable trade piece in the league. arguably second. behind mcdacid for sure. then there is just Crosby that is a question mark.
- prock



I wouldn't disagree with you. From what I've seen (highlights) this season, he is one of the best rookies to come along in a while ............... what's even more remarkable is where he's from and where he's played growing up. Imagine if he had played anywhere in the CHL.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Apr 19 @ 8:52 AM ET
Watch the game and pay attention to the refereeing you stupid piece of poop. The refs haven't "gifted" the Leafs anything.
- Aetherial


leafs four PPs in third period, the Caps only one ............ yeah, the reffing was pretty equal there.



D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Apr 19 @ 9:09 AM ET
A little higher...

What a (frank)ing joke. You got to play a Boston team missing some key players while the Leafs drew the Presidents trophy winners, healthy, with probably the second best goaltender in the world.

But yeah, your chances are a "little" higher.

You should be (frank)ing embarrassed if you can't beat that Bruins team. Just like the Habs should be embarrassed if they can't beat the Rangers.

- Aetherial




Every team is missing players from their line up at this time of the season.

Did you forget that the Capitals are without one of their top pairing Dmen?

Ottawa is not any more healthy than other teams, and had many players playing well below 100%, as most teams.

One of you leaf fans pointed to the Bruins missing David Krejci in the first two games ........... did not make much of a difference in game three, did he?


leaf fans just can't grasp the reality that the Senators and Bruins finished the season ahead of their leafs, and it's mainly because they were better teams than the leafs, and it was not "luck" or playing "back up goaltenders" or "weaker schedules" or "bad reffing" or "playing teams without injured players" or any other whiny little excuse you leaf fans use to somehow square the circle that makes the leafs the best team in the league, in your heads.

The Senators and Bruins are two evenly matched teams, in a series that is a 50/50 pick as to who will win ......... even with the Senators one game up ......... the Bruins could easily tie up the series tonight.




D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Apr 19 @ 9:10 AM ET
Leafs also have a ridiculous amount of forward depth... and while Rielly had a rough year, he's rebounded down the stretch and this postseason. Easily looks like a #1. Gardiner is also killing it this year, and Zaitsev looked pretty damn good, not to mention they have two of the AHL's best dmen waiting for their chance at the big leagues.

They should be looking for another top-pairing guy, no doubt, but they've got plenty of assets to acquire one without weakening themselves.


Also, Andersen>Niemi, so there's that.

- Feeling Glucky?




What did you make of Don Cherry's opinion of Zaitsev ?
senstroll
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Apr 19 @ 9:21 AM ET
I think you're kind if ignoring the fact that they also drafted and put together what was likely the best defensive group in the entire NHL which was largely in place before they got Kane and toews.

Chicago also had a ridiculous amount of depth up front.....you mentioned hossa but they also had sharp, byfuglien, ladd, browser, versteeg.....and they had them all in their prime.

- haywoodjablome


I didnt ignore that it was discussed in the Original post

But the leafs are not just starting with Matthews and Marner.
they have had Rielly, Gardiner, Kadri etc for 5+ years

they are very similar in the path so far

senstroll
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Apr 19 @ 9:25 AM ET
leafs four PPs in third period, the Caps only one ............ yeah, the reffing was pretty equal there.
- D0PPELGANGER


If you watched the game it was.

the leafs were taking it to the caps in the 3rd, they were chasing and taking some penalties. the caps got a couple soft PPs earlier, so in that NHL way.. they Leafs were owed some

walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I genuinely think the IQ level is alot lower there than here, so I get to win more arguments. Walshy
Joined: 07.14.2011

Apr 19 @ 10:01 AM ET
Every team is missing players from their line up at this time of the season.

Did you forget that the Capitals are without one of their top pairing Dmen?

Ottawa is not any more healthy than other teams, and had many players playing well below 100%, as most teams.

One of you leaf fans pointed to the Bruins missing David Krejci in the first two games ........... did not make much of a difference in game three, did he?


leaf fans just can't grasp the reality that the Senators and Bruins finished the season ahead of their leafs, and it's mainly because they were better teams than the leafs, and it was not "luck" or playing "back up goaltenders" or "weaker schedules" or "bad reffing" or "playing teams without injured players" or any other whiny little excuse you leaf fans use to somehow square the circle that makes the leafs the best team in the league, in your heads.

The Senators and Bruins are two evenly matched teams, in a series that is a 50/50 pick as to who will win ......... even with the Senators one game up ......... the Bruins could easily tie up the series tonight.

- D0PPELGANGER


You've used the injury excuse all season (as most Sens fans do). Why can't others?
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I genuinely think the IQ level is alot lower there than here, so I get to win more arguments. Walshy
Joined: 07.14.2011

Apr 19 @ 10:02 AM ET
If you watched the game it was.

the leafs were taking it to the caps in the 3rd, they were chasing and taking some penalties. the caps got a couple soft PPs earlier, so in that NHL way.. they Leafs were owed some

- senstroll

It'd be nice of they even the PPs up over the series. We're owed some
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Apr 19 @ 10:20 AM ET
If you watched the game it was.

the leafs were taking it to the caps in the 3rd, they were chasing and taking some penalties. the caps got a couple soft PPs earlier, so in that NHL way.. they Leafs were owed some

- senstroll



Did not watch the game, so appreciate your insight.

I'm expecting a few "soft" PPs for the Bruins, in the first period tonight ............. it's the NHL way as you say.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 19 @ 10:25 AM ET
What did you make of Don Cherry's opinion of Zaitsev ?
- D0PPELGANGER

I took it to be in line with the opinion of a guy who still thinks the Leafs should have drafted Ritchie of Nylander.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Apr 19 @ 10:25 AM ET
You've used the injury excuse all season (as most Sens fans do). Why can't others?
- walshyleafsfan


I've been pointing out to leaf fans, all year, when they've insisted the Senators have benefited from playing vs teams missing injured players, that Ottawa has had their fair share of players missing from their line up just as much as any other team.

leaf fans just can't wrap their heads around the fact that the Senators have ended up higher in the standings, again, and have to make up excuses for it, because it can;t possibly be that the Senators are a better team, eh?


You will never see a Senators fan making up stupid reasons (luck, easy schedule) if the leafs finish ahead of the Sens next year.

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