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D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Apr 18 @ 9:37 AM ET
McDavid is a stretch, but there's no way I'd trade Matthews for Crosby.
- Feeling Glucky?



McDavid > Matthews ....... would make this trade, both are approximately the same age.

Crosby has many fewer seasons left, so that's not even worth considering.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 18 @ 9:43 AM ET
McDavid > Matthews ....... would make this trade, both are approximately the same age.

Crosby has many fewer seasons left, so that's not even worth considering.

- D0PPELGANGER



Matthews is easily the third most valuable trade piece in the league. arguably second. behind mcdacid for sure. then there is just Crosby that is a question mark.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Apr 18 @ 9:44 AM ET
It's amazing how butt hurt Sens fans are at TO's unprecedented success.
- Feeling Glucky?


Careful now. This is the kind of hubris that brought everything crashing down in Boston just a few years ago.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 18 @ 9:54 AM ET
Careful now. This is the kind of hubris that brought everything crashing down in Boston just a few years ago.
- spatso



I don't think his comments are based on what is happening with Washington. It's a culmination of everything that has happened over the past 2-3 years, and what will happen over the next decade.

Thinking short-term, one series at a time, is what got the senaturds in the mess they're currently in.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i consider the complexity of the dungeons part of the difficulty, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 18 @ 10:05 AM ET


👀
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 18 @ 10:17 AM ET
Careful now. This is the kind of hubris that brought everything crashing down in Boston just a few years ago.
- spatso

Do you own a copy of "The Secret"?

My comments on this thread have no influence on what happens in the game.


The Leafs could lose out the rest of the round, and you know the message sent would be the same. This team, 1 year removed from finishing 30th overall, can go toe to toe with the best team in the league, on the strength of their rookies.

Ottawa has no answer to this, and that's where this clear jealousy comes from. It's ok. We understand. Leafs fans have been jealous of other teams in the past. Never Ottawa, obviously, but other teams.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 18 @ 10:20 AM ET


👀

- PhillySportsGuy

stupid fancy boy stats. They don't have a single sens player there! THEY CAN'T BE RIGHT!

senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Apr 18 @ 10:43 AM ET
I saw this and thought it was interesting...because it doesnt make the Sens look very good

the sens traded up 1 spot to pick Brown
#12 + #80 (Brandon Gignac) for pick #11



spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Apr 18 @ 10:44 AM ET
stupid fancy boy stats. They don't have a single sens player there! THEY CAN'T BE RIGHT!
W

- Feeling Glucky?


There you go again wanting to award 2 points for CF%.

These are loser numbers. Fans of teams sucking for hope dwell on the loser numbers.

Leafs are doing fine focus on the games and the scoreboard
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Apr 18 @ 10:46 AM ET
I saw this and thought it was interesting...because it doesnt make the Sens look very good

the sens traded up 1 spot to pick Brown
#12 + #80 (Brandon Gignac) for pick #11


- senstroll


Did you look at the injury report on the season for Brown?
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Apr 18 @ 10:46 AM ET
There you go again wanting to award 2 points for CF%.

These are loser numbers. Fans of teams sucking for hope dwell on the loser numbers.

Leafs are doing fine focus on the games and the scoreboard

- spatso


How about people focus on whatever the (frank) they want to focus on.

senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Apr 18 @ 10:47 AM ET
Did you look at the injury report on the season for Brown?
- spatso


yes thats why /60 rate is used
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Apr 18 @ 10:51 AM ET
yes thats why /60 rate is used
- senstroll


For 2/3 of the sesaon he was in and out of line up struggling with an injured wrist. Could be a long term problem we will see.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Apr 18 @ 10:58 AM ET
For 2/3 of the sesaon he was in and out of line up struggling with an injured wrist. Could be a long term problem we will see.
- spatso


trading up is a Risk.. you dont get a Karlsson every time

sometimes you get a Biggs and the other team gets Gibson and Rakell
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 18 @ 11:01 AM ET
For 2/3 of the sesaon he was in and out of line up struggling with an injured wrist. Could be a long term problem we will see.
- spatso



The next Bobby Ryan.

I've never seen a fanbase use the injury excuse like the senatards.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Apr 18 @ 11:06 AM ET
For 2/3 of the sesaon he was in and out of line up struggling with an injured wrist. Could be a long term problem we will see.
- spatso


could be he just sucks
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 18 @ 11:26 AM ET
There you go again wanting to award 2 points for CF%.

These are loser numbers. Fans of teams sucking for hope dwell on the loser numbers.

Leafs are doing fine focus on the games and the scoreboard

- spatso


They're a predictive tool. A team winning with poor possession numbers should always be wary of what's coming up. It caught up with the Leafs many times until they understood that the team that possesses the puck more gets more chances, and the team that gets more chances, will tend to get more goals... and here's the simple part... more goals wins more games.

That's why you don't often see teams with negative goal differentials or bad possession numbers in the playoffs.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 18 @ 11:26 AM ET
trading up is a Risk.. you dont get a Karlsson every time

sometimes you get a Biggs and the other team gets Gibson and Rakell

- senstroll

senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Apr 18 @ 11:43 AM ET
Love it. Most of the Leaf fans have abandoned the thread. A few stringers hang on trying to convince themselves that the tooth ferry is going to lace on the blades and help drag the Leafs into the playoffs.

So busy trying to find flaws in the Sens they don't have to ask themselves who is responsible for blowing up Morgan Reilly's career. His game has totally gone, his self confidence is eroded and he has no support. Not good!

- spatso


I like this post Spatso bringing the truth
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Apr 18 @ 11:47 AM ET
Thats the timeline if its going to happen yes

Take Chicago...the comparisons are fun

Miss playoffs 9/10 years
2006 - Toews
2007 - Kane
2008 - Missed playoffs but big jump in points
2009 - Long playoff Run
2010 - Won Cup

Miss playoffs 10/11 years
2015 - Marner
2016 - Matthews
2017 - Missed playoffs but big jump in points
2018 - ?
2019 - ?

Obviously a lot of things to happen for the Leafs, building depth and finding a Solid top pairing D. Not an easy task but not impossible

- senstroll


Have to update this post

Miss playoffs 9/10 years
2006 - Toews
2007 - Kane
2008 - Missed playoffs but big jump in points
2009 - Long playoff Run
2010 - Won Cup

Miss playoffs 10/11 years
2015 - Marner
2016 - Matthews
2017 - made the playoffs (how far TBD)
2018 - ?
2019 - ?

Also feel like Nylander needs a mention, as well Hossa gets added. Important pieces

Go Leafs!
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: he's 35, time to be fart the messenger boy.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Apr 18 @ 2:05 PM ET
no meltdown buddy, just reciprocating prock's little touch.



Huummmmmm, fancy boy stats still seem to see Ottawa's chances of advancing to the second round, just a little higher than the leafs ............... so both teams in good shape as of today .................. I'm still maintaining that Ottawa vs Boston is still a 50/50 series, even with the Senators holding a one game lead ............. they just seem to be unable to stop with their self inflicted mistakes, that always seem to end up in their own Net.

I now see the leafs vs Captails series as pretty close to a 50/50 series now ........


- D0PPELGANGER


A little higher...

What a (frank)ing joke. You got to play a Boston team missing some key players while the Leafs drew the Presidents trophy winners, healthy, with probably the second best goaltender in the world.

But yeah, your chances are a "little" higher.

You should be (frank)ing embarrassed if you can't beat that Bruins team. Just like the Habs should be embarrassed if they can't beat the Rangers.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: he's 35, time to be fart the messenger boy.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Apr 18 @ 2:09 PM ET
Yeah, I think the leafs OT GWG was also a PPG ..... in fact the leafs were gifted 4 PPs in the third, so did your fancy boy stats account for that too?
- D0PPELGANGER


Watch the game and pay attention to the refereeing you stupid piece of poop. The refs haven't "gifted" the Leafs anything.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Apr 18 @ 2:42 PM ET
Are you serious.

Do you have any idea how accurate I have been for the last 10 years?

Year after year, I have nailed it.

- spatso



burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Apr 18 @ 2:59 PM ET
I like this post Spatso bringing the truth
- senstroll


Is this one of those spatso predictions that he said he nailed?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 18 @ 3:28 PM ET
A little higher...

What a (frank)ing joke. You got to play a Boston team missing some key players while the Leafs drew the Presidents trophy winners, healthy, with probably the second best goaltender in the world.

But yeah, your chances are a "little" higher.

You should be (frank)ing embarrassed if you can't beat that Bruins team. Just like the Habs should be embarrassed if they can't beat the Rangers.

- Aetherial

http://moneypuck.com/predictions.htm

according to that, Ottawa's chances are lower.

Hell, the Leafs' chances of winning the cup are higher than Ottawa's chances of making it to the finals.
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