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daeth
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: accuratently, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Apr 5 @ 1:42 PM ET
They lost all three games vs Washington this season 4-2, 6-5 & 4 -1

I would not bet any money on the leafs if they faced Washington in the first round ........ they'd have about a 10% chance of winning that series.

- D0PPELGANGER

https://www.nhl.com/gamec...tate=final,game_tab=stats
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Apr 5 @ 2:01 PM ET
What part of "I would not bet any money on the leafs" did you not understand?
- D0PPELGANGER


You would be betting on the Capitals
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 5 @ 2:02 PM ET
You would be betting on the Capitals
- senstroll



At 4 to 1, I think that's a great bet. I might put a little down on them, actually. $100 maybe?

other sites say 7 to 1 and 8 to 1 for both Washington and Chicago.

Hell, I might put $100 on each of them.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Apr 5 @ 2:07 PM ET
At 4 to 1, I think that's a great bet. I might put a little down on them, actually. $100 maybe?

other sites say 7 to 1 and 8 to 1 for both Washington and Chicago.

Hell, I might put $100 on each of them.

- prock



He said the leafs would have a 10% chance. So if someone is offering 9-1 odds, I would put some money down
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 5 @ 2:25 PM ET
He said the leafs would have a 10% chance. So if someone is offering 9-1 odds, I would put some money down
- senstroll



against the caps?

I'd put 20 on the Leafs, just for the hell of it. Probably won't happen, but I'd take those odds.

with letang's injury, I think I'm gonna throw $100 on Washington to win the East, $100 on them to win the cup, $100 on Chicago to win the west, $100 on them to win the cup. Maybe like $50 on Montreal to win the East. They're 7 to 1 just to win the East.

The Oilers are at 17 to 1 for the cup. Tha'ts not a terrible bet.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Apr 5 @ 2:37 PM ET
against the caps?

I'd put 20 on the Leafs, just for the hell of it. Probably won't happen, but I'd take those odds.

with letang's injury, I think I'm gonna throw $100 on Washington to win the East, $100 on them to win the cup, $100 on Chicago to win the west, $100 on them to win the cup. Maybe like $50 on Montreal to win the East. They're 7 to 1 just to win the East.

The Oilers are at 17 to 1 for the cup. Tha'ts not a terrible bet.

- prock



Presidents' Trophy Winner often gets caught early in playoffs. If the Leafs play Washington I think they can surprise them. Washington does not perform up to their regular season performance.

Year Presidents' Trophy Winner Playoff Result
2015-16 Washinton Capitals Lost Second Round
2014-15 New York Rangers Lost Conference Finals
2013-14 Boston Bruins Lost Second Round
2012-13 Chicago Blackhawks Won Stanley Cup
2011-12 Vancouver Canucks Lost First Round
2010-11 Vancouver Canucks Lost Stanley Cup Final
2009-10 Washington Capitals Lost First Round
2008-09 San Jose Sharks Lost First Round
2007-08 Detroit Red Wings Won Stanley Cup
2006-07 Buffalo Sabres Lost Conference Final
2005-06 Detroit Red Wings Lost First Round
2003-04 Detroit Red Wings Lost Second Round
2002-03 Ottawa Senators Lost Conference Final
2001-02 Detroit Red Wings Won Stanley Cup
2000-01 Colorado Avalanche Won Stanley Cup
1999-00 St. Louis Blues Lost First Round
1998-99 Dallas Stars Won Stanley Cup
1997-98 Dallas Stars Lost Stanley Cup Final
1996-97 Colorado Avalanche Lost Conference Final
1995-96 Detroit Red Wings Lost Conference Final
1994-95 Detroit Red Wings Lost Stanley Cup Final
1993-94 New York Rangers Won Stanley Cup
1992-93 Pittsburgh Penguins Lost Second round
1991-92 New York Rangers Lost Second Round
1990-91 Chicago Blackhawks Lost First Round
1989-90 Boston Bruins Lost Stanley Cup Final
1988-89 Calgary Flames Won Stanley Cup
1987-88 Calgary Flames Lost Second Round
1986-87 Edmonton Oilers Won Stanley Cup
1985-86 Edmonton Oilers Lost Second Round

Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Apr 5 @ 2:40 PM ET
Presidents' Trophy Winner often gets caught early in playoffs. If the Leafs play Washington I think they can surprise them. Washington does not perform up to their regular season performance.

Year Presidents' Trophy Winner Playoff Result
2015-16 Washinton Capitals Lost Second Round
2014-15 New York Rangers Lost Conference Finals
2013-14 Boston Bruins Lost Second Round
2012-13 Chicago Blackhawks Won Stanley Cup
2011-12 Vancouver Canucks Lost First Round
2010-11 Vancouver Canucks Lost Stanley Cup Final
2009-10 Washington Capitals Lost First Round
2008-09 San Jose Sharks Lost First Round

2007-08 Detroit Red Wings Won Stanley Cup
2006-07 Buffalo Sabres Lost Conference Final
2005-06 Detroit Red Wings Lost First Round
2003-04 Detroit Red Wings Lost Second Round
2002-03 Ottawa Senators Lost Conference Final
2001-02 Detroit Red Wings Won Stanley Cup
2000-01 Colorado Avalanche Won Stanley Cup
1999-00 St. Louis Blues Lost First Round
1998-99 Dallas Stars Won Stanley Cup
1997-98 Dallas Stars Lost Stanley Cup Final
1996-97 Colorado Avalanche Lost Conference Final
1995-96 Detroit Red Wings Lost Conference Final
1994-95 Detroit Red Wings Lost Stanley Cup Final
1993-94 New York Rangers Won Stanley Cup
1992-93 Pittsburgh Penguins Lost Second round
1991-92 New York Rangers Lost Second Round
1990-91 Chicago Blackhawks Lost First Round
1989-90 Boston Bruins Lost Stanley Cup Final
1988-89 Calgary Flames Won Stanley Cup
1987-88 Calgary Flames Lost Second Round
1986-87 Edmonton Oilers Won Stanley Cup
1985-86 Edmonton Oilers Lost Second Round

- spatso


6 out of 30 is often?
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Apr 5 @ 2:40 PM ET
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SofaKingBored
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Halifax, NS
Joined: 10.13.2006

Apr 5 @ 2:43 PM ET
Presidents' Trophy Winner often gets caught early in playoffs. If the Leafs play Washington I think they can surprise them. Washington does not perform up to their regular season performance.
- spatso


So in the past 30 years, the President's Trophy winner has failed to come out of the first round only 6 times?

Sorry, but the Leafs get picked off in 5 games if they face the Caps...
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 5 @ 2:59 PM ET
Presidents' Trophy Winner often gets caught early in playoffs. If the Leafs play Washington I think they can surprise them. Washington does not perform up to their regular season performance.

Year Presidents' Trophy Winner Playoff Result
2015-16 Washinton Capitals Lost Second Round
2014-15 New York Rangers Lost Conference Finals
2013-14 Boston Bruins Lost Second Round
2012-13 Chicago Blackhawks Won Stanley Cup
2011-12 Vancouver Canucks Lost First Round
2010-11 Vancouver Canucks Lost Stanley Cup Final
2009-10 Washington Capitals Lost First Round
2008-09 San Jose Sharks Lost First Round
2007-08 Detroit Red Wings Won Stanley Cup
2006-07 Buffalo Sabres Lost Conference Final
2005-06 Detroit Red Wings Lost First Round
2003-04 Detroit Red Wings Lost Second Round
2002-03 Ottawa Senators Lost Conference Final
2001-02 Detroit Red Wings Won Stanley Cup
2000-01 Colorado Avalanche Won Stanley Cup
1999-00 St. Louis Blues Lost First Round
1998-99 Dallas Stars Won Stanley Cup
1997-98 Dallas Stars Lost Stanley Cup Final
1996-97 Colorado Avalanche Lost Conference Final
1995-96 Detroit Red Wings Lost Conference Final
1994-95 Detroit Red Wings Lost Stanley Cup Final
1993-94 New York Rangers Won Stanley Cup
1992-93 Pittsburgh Penguins Lost Second round
1991-92 New York Rangers Lost Second Round
1990-91 Chicago Blackhawks Lost First Round
1989-90 Boston Bruins Lost Stanley Cup Final
1988-89 Calgary Flames Won Stanley Cup
1987-88 Calgary Flames Lost Second Round
1986-87 Edmonton Oilers Won Stanley Cup
1985-86 Edmonton Oilers Lost Second Round

- spatso


I'd be willing to bet if you went through the 2nd through 16th league seeds, they'd all have worse records, in every round, than the presidents cup winner.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 5 @ 3:13 PM ET
Yes there most certainly is ......... the leafs, who sit in the 8th seed, 2nd WC spot.

If they face the Caps in the first round, it's not going to be close.

http://www.espn.com/nhl/playoffs/matchups

- D0PPELGANGER

I don't think there's any team in the East that wouldn't rather play the Sens than the Leafs.

They're a terrible possession team, can't bury the cup, and aren't good enough defensively to make up for their lack of offense. That's all there is to them. Unless drastic changes are made over the summer, they're likely to continue the regression everyone saw coming(except sens fans).


Sens don't belong in the playoffs, end of story.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Apr 5 @ 3:18 PM ET
I'd be willing to bet if you went through the 2nd through 16th league seeds, they'd all have worse records, in every round, than the presidents cup winner.
- prock


Historically, there is only a slightly higher probability that the President's Cup winner will win the Stanley Cup than getting knocked out in the first round.

On the other hand, an 8th seed seldom gets to a Stanley Cup final.

Still say that the worse matchup for the Capitals is the Leafs regardless of the regular season results.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Apr 5 @ 3:23 PM ET
I don't think there's any team in the East that wouldn't rather play the Sens than the Leafs.

They're a terrible possession team, can't bury the cup, and aren't good enough defensively to make up for their lack of offense. That's all there is to them. Unless drastic changes are made over the summer, they're likely to continue the regression everyone saw coming(except sens fans).


Sens don't belong in the playoffs, end of story.

- Feeling Glucky?


Scoreboard.

So, if we were to award the Stanley Cup on possession stats we would not have to bother with the playoffs. Who would win based on the numbers of today...which possession number would you use to declare your Cup winner?
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Apr 5 @ 3:28 PM ET
Historically, there is only a slightly higher probability that the President's Cup winner will win the Stanley Cup than getting knocked out in the first round.

On the other hand, an 8th seed seldom gets to a Stanley Cup final.

Still say that the worse matchup for the Capitals is the Leafs regardless of the regular season results.

- spatso


Call me skeptical on your ability to analyze and predict the NHL...based on your recent posting history
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 5 @ 3:29 PM ET
Scoreboard.

So, if we were to award the Stanley Cup on possession stats we would not have to bother with the playoffs. Who would win based on the numbers of today...which possession number would you use to declare your Cup winner?

- spatso

Possession numbers indicate future success, standings indicate past.


Possession numbers showed Ottawa would regress, as we've seen.

Standings show that they're not one of the worst teams in the NHL.

Which, if you'll refer back to my previous comment, we know they are.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 5 @ 3:29 PM ET
Scoreboard.

So, if we were to award the Stanley Cup on possession stats we would not have to bother with the playoffs. Who would win based on the numbers of today...which possession number would you use to declare your Cup winner?

- spatso

Possession numbers indicate future success, standings indicate past.


Possession numbers showed Ottawa would regress, as we've seen.

Standings show that they're not one of the worst teams in the NHL.

Which, if you'll refer back to my previous comment, we know they are.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 5 @ 3:30 PM ET
Call me skeptical on your ability to analyze and predict the NHL...based on your recent posting history
- senstroll

Funny how possession numbers showed the Leafs underperformed massively last year. And this year, their position in the standings has improved.

hmmm
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Apr 5 @ 3:41 PM ET
Scoreboard.

So, if we were to award the Stanley Cup on possession stats we would not have to bother with the playoffs. Who would win based on the numbers of today...which possession number would you use to declare your Cup winner?

- spatso


who awards the cup based on possession stats? that's stupid.

teams that win are generally positive possession teams and i will guess always have positive goal differentials in the regular season.

looking at both of those metrics, pretty easy to spot which team has essentially zero chance at the cup.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Apr 5 @ 3:46 PM ET
Historically, there is only a slightly higher probability that the President's Cup winner will win the Stanley Cup than getting knocked out in the first round.

On the other hand, an 8th seed seldom gets to a Stanley Cup final.

Still say that the worse matchup for the Capitals is the Leafs regardless of the regular season results.

- spatso


D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Apr 5 @ 4:04 PM ET
You would be betting on the Capitals
- senstroll



sorry, assumed you'd want to win a bet, and thought for sure your brain would win out over your heart.

D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Apr 5 @ 4:07 PM ET
Funny how possession numbers showed the Leafs underperformed massively last year. And this year, their position in the standings has improved.

hmmm

- Feeling Glucky?



maybe last year they were trying to tank?

maybe this year they have some rookies on their team?

do the leafs have any rookies this season?
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Apr 5 @ 4:32 PM ET
maybe last year they were trying to tank?

maybe this year they have some rookies on their team?

do the leafs have any rookies this season?

- D0PPELGANGER


Not sure which possession figures are being promoted this week. Last week it was clear that possession strongly suggested the Cup was headed to the LA Kings. Awesome to see how well they are doing.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 5 @ 4:36 PM ET
Not sure which possession figures are being promoted this week. Last week it was clear that possession strongly suggested the Cup was headed to the LA Kings. Awesome to see how well they are doing.
- spatso

Excellent example. The year that LA just squeaked into the playoffs and wound up winning the cup, it was clear from very early in the season that they were under performing and would trend up.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 5 @ 4:38 PM ET
maybe last year they were trying to tank?

maybe this year they have some rookies on their team?

do the leafs have any rookies this season?

- D0PPELGANGER

They do, and the team's possession numbers have climbed higher with them in the lineup.

Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Apr 5 @ 4:42 PM ET
I think the Bruins will stay tough down the stretch. They will stay close in games, they actually played okay in several of their recent losses. But, they have a huge problem on defence and their goaltending (Rask) as not been very strong. I think the Leafs will easily hold against the Bruins.

The larger question is if the Bruins can hold off the Islanders and Lightening. Not sure they can make playoffs based on the recent play.

- spatso


This was also talked about last week.

Now I don’t know if the bruins will hold off the isles and bolts, but I think we should talk about the possibility that they don’t.

Can someone please check the standings to see if they won’t?
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