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sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Mar 15 @ 9:31 AM ET
I never ragged on him f9r his plus minus. man, did they forget to build schools in Ottawa? learn to read.

I think it's ridiculous that sens fans tried to argue he was good defensively when he was getting amazingly cushy zone deployment, rather easy competition on average, and still managed to be on the ice for far more goals than any other player in the league at 5 on 5.

trying to argue that's a good defensive player is a farce. Karlsson was arguably the worst defensive dman on the whole league.

he's improved though, I'll give credit where credit is due. with the sens new focus on d, he's arguably most brought himself up to average. still below average, but hey not the AHL player in his own zone he used to be.

- prock


You're saying never when you mean always.......I'd be more worried about the school system wherever you came from.

Rielly isn't a great point producer and is AWFUL defensively.......
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Mar 15 @ 9:33 AM ET
Seriously. It was a huge error for the Leafs to let Phaneuf go in a trade to Ottawa. Obviously the Leaf defence is bad and getting worse. Young guys have no mentor to help them learn the NHL game. Reilly has become a disaster and the Leafs need to get back to the drawing board.
- spatso



they have Boyle, for the remainder of the regular season ........ great acquisition right?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Mar 15 @ 9:35 AM ET
perhaps you need to think about the mess the sens have in general.
- prock



The "mess" that has them currently with the 8th best record in the NHL.


senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Mar 15 @ 9:55 AM ET
Seriously. It was a huge error for the Leafs to let Phaneuf go in a trade to Ottawa. Obviously the Leaf defence is bad and getting worse. Young guys have no mentor to help them learn the NHL game. Reilly has become a disaster and the Leafs need to get back to the drawing board.
- spatso


lol sure

Why is Dion the only one that could Mentor Rielly?
What about the 200+ games they played on the same team over 3 years? was he not mentoring then? Its just now he needs it? How does that work? Please enlighten me on your Mentoring expertise and how Dion is the only one capable of Mentoring the young players.

Having Polak who is 30 with 600+ NHL games, his mentoring does not count
Martin, Bozak, Komarov, Hunwick who are all pushing 30 with hundreds of NHL games.. cant mentor.

The coaches and everyone upwards are the Mentors...

Just admit you are talking out your ass and making poop up...

Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 771 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Mar 15 @ 9:55 AM ET
Prock digging a fox hole for the long off season.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Mar 15 @ 9:59 AM ET
Ottawa's worst (plus/minus) Center is their fourth liner, Chris Kelly at -13
toronto's first line center, the great Kadri, is a -12


I see you're totally leaving the so called toronto defense alone.

The leafs most hyped D Man, Morgan Reilly went a minus five last night .......... first leaf D Man to do that since Brian "the canopener" McCabe .......... Reilly would not even make Ottawa's top 6 D men, and would probably be exposed in the expansion draft...... he would most likely be safe with a minus 22 rating though.

Dion Phaneuf is only a minus 5 .............. but that's only due Ottawa's lucky hot back up goaltender, right?

- D0PPELGANGER


jfc you are really doing it ..going full spatso
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Mar 15 @ 10:14 AM ET
jfc you are really doing it ..going full spatso
- senstroll



Was responding to Glucky, who make it a habit to trash individual Senator players, and does not realize that he lives in a glasshouse, and if he's tough enough to throw stones, then he's tough enough to face up to the shortcomings of one of his precious leaf players.

Notice that he has not, and will not defend Reilly, and the claim that he could not take the place of one Ottawa's top 6 d men.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Mar 15 @ 10:24 AM ET
Was responding to Glucky, who make it a habit to trash individual Senator players, and does not realize that he lives in a glasshouse, and if he's tough enough to throw stones, then he's tough enough to face up to the shortcomings of one of his precious leaf players.

Notice that he has not, and will not defend Reilly, and the claim that he could not take the place of one Ottawa's top 6 d men.

- D0PPELGANGER


Thats just dumb and not worth responding to to be honest.

Rielly is not right, its clear to see. You dont get the full story during the season..and with the Leafs and Lou we may not.

Such a bizarre season. Leafs have blown away expectations. I would say 95% of hockey fans had them as a Lottery team this season. they are not a perfect team, and shouldnt be exptected to be one...not even 1 year after finishing 30th

D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Mar 15 @ 10:31 AM ET
Thats just dumb and not worth responding to to be honest.

Rielly is not right, its clear to see. You dont get the full story during the season..and with the Leafs and Lou we may not.

Such a bizarre season. Leafs have blown away expectations. I would say 95% of hockey fans had them as a Lottery team this season. they are not a perfect team, and shouldnt be exptected to be one...not even 1 year after finishing 30th

- senstroll



But, according to your buddy, prock, they're going to win the cup sometime in the next 2 or 3 years years.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Mar 15 @ 10:32 AM ET
Thats just dumb and not worth responding to to be honest.

Rielly is not right, its clear to see. You dont get the full story during the season..and with the Leafs and Lou we may not.

Such a bizarre season. Leafs have blown away expectations. I would say 95% of hockey fans had them as a Lottery team this season. they are not a perfect team, and shouldnt be exptected to be one...not even 1 year after finishing 30th

- senstroll


If by not right you mean not nearly as good as you guys thought he'd be then I agree.

He's a train wreck.....one of the worst defensive players in the game. He's above average (but not by a whole lot) offensively and that's about all he's got.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Mar 15 @ 10:40 AM ET
Within three years from the beginning of this season, or from now?
- D0PPELGANGER



Well Dopps, given that there are no cups that are won from October to March 15, three years from either point includes the same set of Stanley Cup champions, doesn't it?

Jeez, I think we're starting to get some serious evidence of a problem with the Ottawa school system.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Mar 15 @ 10:41 AM ET
You're saying never when you mean always.......I'd be more worried about the school system wherever you came from.

Rielly isn't a great point producer and is AWFUL defensively.......

- sensarmy_11



Point it out then. If it's always, then it should be easy for you to reference.

Rielly is FAR better defensively than Karlsson. Not that we're setting the bar high with Karlsson, but whatever.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Mar 15 @ 10:44 AM ET
Point it out then. If it's always, then it should be easy for you to reference.

Rielly is FAR better defensively than Karlsson. Not that we're setting the bar high with Karlsson, but whatever.

- prock



prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Mar 15 @ 10:44 AM ET
But, according to your buddy, prock, they're going to win the cup sometime in the next 2 or 3 years years.
- D0PPELGANGER



That's the goal, and I'd say they're right on track for it.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Mar 15 @ 10:45 AM ET
Point it out then. If it's always, then it should be easy for you to reference.

Rielly is FAR better defensively than Karlsson. Not that we're setting the bar high with Karlsson, but whatever.

- prock


Wasn't enough the first time

prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Mar 15 @ 10:47 AM ET
Wasn't nought the first time


- sensarmy_11



Speak (frank)ing English please.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Mar 15 @ 10:48 AM ET
Speak (frank)ing English please.
- prock


Grammar police.....a sure indication that you're winning an argument

senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Mar 15 @ 10:52 AM ET
But, according to your buddy, prock, they're going to win the cup sometime in the next 2 or 3 years years.
- D0PPELGANGER


Thats the timeline if its going to happen yes

Take Chicago...the comparisons are fun

Miss playoffs 9/10 years
2006 - Toews
2007 - Kane
2008 - Missed playoffs but big jump in points
2009 - Long playoff Run
2010 - Won Cup

Miss playoffs 10/11 years
2015 - Marner
2016 - Matthews
2017 - Missed playoffs but big jump in points
2018 - ?
2019 - ?

Obviously a lot of things to happen for the Leafs, building depth and finding a Solid top pairing D. Not an easy task but not impossible
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Mar 15 @ 10:53 AM ET
If by not right you mean not nearly as good as you guys thought he'd be then I agree.

He's a train wreck.....one of the worst defensive players in the game. He's above average (but not by a whole lot) offensively and that's about all he's got.

- sensarmy_11


No I mean his injury.. he has not been the same since.

sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Mar 15 @ 10:55 AM ET
Thats the timeline if its going to happen yes

Take Chicago...the comparisons are fun

Miss playoffs 9/10 years
2006 - Toews
2007 - Kane
2008 - Missed playoffs but big jump in points
2009 - Long playoff Run
2010 - Won Cup

Miss playoffs 10/11 years
2015 - Marner
2016 - Matthews
2017 - Missed playoffs but big jump in points
2018 - ?
2019 - ?

Obviously a lot of things to happen for the Leafs, building depth and finding a Solid top pairing D. Not an easy task but not impossible

- senstroll


Pretty sure you left out a few important pieces from the Hawks

Keith, Seabrook, Hossa, byfuglien, sharp, etc, etc, etc

Hawks were much further ahead after 07 then the Leafs will be after this year
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Mar 15 @ 10:58 AM ET
No I mean his injury.. he has not been the same since.
- senstroll


Sorry but knee injuries don't lead to your hockey IQ dropping..........he is such a positional training wreck in his own end it's almost become comical
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Mar 15 @ 11:01 AM ET
Pretty sure you left out a few important pieces from the Hawks

Keith, Seabrook, Hossa, byfuglien, sharp, etc, etc, etc

Hawks were much further ahead after 07 then the Leafs will be after this year

- sensarmy_11


I also left out Nylander, Kadri, Rielly, Gardiner... those parts are in place already.

in 2007-08 Kane/Toews were Rookies, there was no Hossa he came later when you start to add those pieces.

Slightly ahead, sure.. but there is no exact model for winning
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Mar 15 @ 11:05 AM ET
Sorry but knee injuries don't lead to your hockey IQ dropping..........he is such a positional training wreck in his own end it's almost become comical
- sensarmy_11


Comments like this really make me wonder about Fans and what they actually know about hockey
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Mar 15 @ 11:06 AM ET
Comments like this really make me wonder about Fans and what they actually know about hockey
- senstroll



Just got to laugh at the stupidity.

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