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D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Mar 13 @ 2:05 PM ET
I wouldn't bother thinking about it because I don't care. the winner of the Atlantic division is rather meaningless.
- prock



So advancing to the Conference finals is meaningless .............. okay.

I guess when your team has never been to the Eastern Conference Finals, then you would see it as unattainable, and I guess, therefore "meaningless".

D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Mar 13 @ 2:06 PM ET
I like how you ignore the playoff probability column
- Feeling Glucky?



98.4% chance of Senators making the playoffs, a virtual lock, so saw no need to point out the obvious.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Mar 13 @ 2:11 PM ET
So advancing to the Conference finals is meaningless .............. okay.

I guess when your team has never been to the Eastern Conference Finals, then you would see it as unattainable, and I guess, therefore "meaningless".


- D0PPELGANGER


Season is a success if SEns are playing playoffs. Playoffs are a sucess if Sens advance beyond first round. Great success if they make it to Conference final. Have not contemplated anything beyond.
Nucker101
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All right everyone, listen up
Joined: 09.26.2010

Mar 13 @ 2:11 PM ET
Looks like the Sens this year guys
prock
Nashville Predators
Location: Nice to know how comfortable t, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Mar 13 @ 2:12 PM ET
So advancing to the Conference finals is meaningless .............. okay.

I guess when your team has never been to the Eastern Conference Finals, then you would see it as unattainable, and I guess, therefore "meaningless".


- D0PPELGANGER


I thoguht you were talking regular season.

the "atlantic division winner" will probably be the New York Rangers.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Mar 13 @ 2:13 PM ET
I also like how you put top-6 in quotes. Like you know that a Sens' top-6 player doesn't really count as one on just about any other team in the league.
- Feeling Glucky?


I like how you totally avoided the fact that Ottawa has the eighth best record in the NHL, the best record in the Atlantic division, whenever someone points it out to you.

Every team has their "top six forwards", and apparently Ottawa's are doing the job, (see above sentence) and doing it better than most of the teams in the NHL.


“The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.”

― Aristotle
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Mar 13 @ 2:15 PM ET
pretty funny to watch the leafs fans scramble around in here the last few pages
- Crimsoninja



last ten or so pages.
Nucker101
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All right everyone, listen up
Joined: 09.26.2010

Mar 13 @ 2:17 PM ET
I thoguht you were talking regular season.

the "atlantic division winner" will probably be the New York Rangers.

- prock

Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: tenav for drouin. lol @ canucks
Joined: 03.14.2014

Mar 13 @ 2:19 PM ET
Looks like the Sens this year guys
- Nucker101


Agreed. I’m all in. Next year will be the sens year too.

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Nucker101
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All right everyone, listen up
Joined: 09.26.2010

Mar 13 @ 2:20 PM ET
Agreed. I’m all in. Next year will be the sens year too.

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- Tumbleweed


Chabot is definitely a stud
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: tenav for drouin. lol @ canucks
Joined: 03.14.2014

Mar 13 @ 2:23 PM ET
Chabot is definitely a stud
- Nucker101


between him brown and white, sens have 3 of the top 2 prospects not in the nhl.
prock
Nashville Predators
Location: Nice to know how comfortable t, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Mar 13 @ 2:25 PM ET

- Nucker101



Why not? They're the best team that will play in that bracket, I'd say.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Mar 13 @ 2:25 PM ET
I like how you totally avoided the fact that Ottawa has the eighth best record in the NHL, the best record in the Atlantic division, whenever someone points it out to you.

Every team has their "top six forwards", and apparently Ottawa's are doing the job, (see above sentence) and doing it better than most of the teams in the NHL.


“The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.”

― Aristotle

- D0PPELGANGER

I haven't. I've stated that being at the top of the Atlantic doesn't mean much when the Atlantic sucks as it does. There were many occasions in the past where teams like Atlanta would win their division, and be 10 points behind the team below them in the official standings.


Being top of the Atlantic this year, means you're facing a team that sits above you in the standings in the first round.


Also, do you feel no sense of hypocrisy using p% instead of total points, after being so against it in the past?


edit: Saying the top-6 is good because they're high in the standings is idiotic. It's like saying the Leafs have an above-average defense, because they have the 14th best record in the NHL. The Sens got lucky in that their back-up had a hot streak while the starter was out. Goaltending has been the main driving force for the Sens this year. It's funny how frequently a hot goalie has made Ottawa fans think their roster isn't awful.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Mar 13 @ 2:31 PM ET
Chabot is definitely a stud
- Nucker101

I'm curious to see who they'll trade him for. Based on the Zibby for Brassard trade, I predict Beauchemin... followed by a flock of Sens fans saying he was never really that good, and Beauchemin has turned the team around!
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Mar 13 @ 3:00 PM ET
: Saying the top-6 is good because they're high in the standings is idiotic. It's like saying the Leafs have an above-average defense, because they have the 14th best record in the NHL. The Sens got lucky in that their back-up had a hot streak while the starter was out. Goaltending has been the main driving force for the Sens this year. It's funny how frequently a hot goalie has made Ottawa fans think their roster isn't awful.
- Feeling Glucky?



So it's "lucky goal tending" from the Back up goaltender that is the main driving force, that has propelled the Senators to the Eighth Best record in the NHL.

So not the commitment to overall team defense, right?

So of goaltenders in the NHL, who've played at least 20 games, Ottawa's goaltenders sit 31st and 32nd in Shots Against, out of 47 goaltenders.

Last season Ottawa averaged 2.94 GA per game, so far this year they're averaging 2.57 GA per game ........ a dramatic drop, when only averaging 2 less SA per vs last season.

One would think that they would have faced a WHOLE lot more shots, if it was just "lucky goal-tending" as you seem to think.


You're grasping at straws here ....... Ottawa plays a much better team defensive game plan than in the previous season, and you just are not willing to admit it.


fewer shots against per, fewer goals allowed per game, is NOT a lucky back up goaltender.
golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Mar 13 @ 3:04 PM ET
I haven't. I've stated that being at the top of the Atlantic doesn't mean much when the Atlantic sucks as it does. There were many occasions in the past where teams like Atlanta would win their division, and be 10 points behind the team below them in the official standings.


Being top of the Atlantic this year, means you're facing a team that sits above you in the standings in the first round.


Also, do you feel no sense of hypocrisy using p% instead of total points, after being so against it in the past?


edit: Saying the top-6 is good because they're high in the standings is idiotic. It's like saying the Leafs have an above-average defense, because they have the 14th best record in the NHL. The Sens got lucky in that their back-up had a hot streak while the starter was out. Goaltending has been the main driving force for the Sens this year. It's funny how frequently a hot goalie has made Ottawa fans think their roster isn't awful.

- Feeling Glucky?


Yet you guys continue to argue that their goaltending is garbage.
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: every day, once a day, give yourself a present, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Mar 13 @ 3:50 PM ET
Yet you guys continue to argue that their goaltending is garbage.
- golfingsince

I think the argument is Anderson has been great but he's a bit old so their window to win with him as their goalie is short.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Mar 13 @ 4:05 PM ET
Yet you guys continue to argue that their goaltending is garbage.
- golfingsince


It's been inconsistent- Anderson, when he's on his game is lights out. When he's not on his game, the Sens are just about a bottom-10 team. As he ages there's gonna be more "off his game" seasons.

Sens have gotten lucky that the hamburglar and condom have been good in stretches where he's been out for one reason or another... but neither goalies numbers held out over the long run, which is why it makes sense to say they were hot at the right time, and not that this team with piss-poor possession numbers is actually elite defensively.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: tenav for drouin. lol @ canucks
Joined: 03.14.2014

Mar 13 @ 4:34 PM ET
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Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: tenav for drouin. lol @ canucks
Joined: 03.14.2014

Mar 14 @ 8:56 AM ET
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