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burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Mar 2 @ 8:06 PM ET
"I like Pierre McGuire because he tells me what I want to hear" -a blind person
- senstroll




spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Mar 2 @ 10:36 PM ET
Burrows looked really good. Sens win! Thank you Jesus.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Mar 2 @ 10:56 PM ET
Burrows looked really good. Sens win! Thank you Jesus.
- spatso


I'm sure everything will work out fine
Pie
Montreal Canadiens
Location: taking the low road
Joined: 10.14.2006

Mar 2 @ 10:58 PM ET
I'm sure everything will work out fine
- PhillySportsGuy

thank you jesus was infantile
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Mar 2 @ 11:30 PM ET
thank you jesus was infantile
- Pie


That is a judgement based on personal perspective and, no doubt, depends entirely on the Christology you follow.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Mar 3 @ 5:13 AM ET
What happened to the Leafs?

I stayed up late and watched. When I went to bed they were ahead 2-0 and were in full control of the game. I thought they dominated play.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Mar 3 @ 7:30 AM ET
What happened to the Leafs?

I stayed up late and watched. When I went to bed they were ahead 2-0 and were in full control of the game. I thought they dominated play.

- spatso


I didnt stay up, but my guess is that LA scored goals
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Mar 3 @ 8:36 AM ET
Jesus the Sens got old quickly.
- walshyleafsfan


Yeah, now the second oldest (average age) team in the NHL.
habman75
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Une plotzza, une plotine, and , QC
Joined: 09.07.2007

Mar 3 @ 8:36 AM ET
I didnt stay up, but my guess is that LA scored goals
- senstroll



sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Mar 3 @ 8:45 AM ET
Yeah, now the second oldest (average age) team in the NHL.
- D0PPELGANGER


m'eh, that will change significantly next year. remove:

neil - 37
Kelly - 35
Hammond - 28

probably remove:

stalberg - 30
pyatt - 30

insert guys like white, Chabot and that avg age will drop significantly.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Mar 3 @ 8:46 AM ET
What happened to the Leafs?

I stayed up late and watched. When I went to bed they were ahead 2-0 and were in full control of the game. I thought they dominated play.

- spatso




can't hold onto a third period lead........... guess Boyle wasn't the answer.

another "loser point" in the stupid shoot out




Montréal Canadiens .615 / 98.8%
Ottawa Senators .597 / 83.3%
Boston Bruins .563 / 71.2%
leafs .556 / 52.1%
Florida Panthers .548 / 15.1%
Tampa Bay Lightning .532 / 17.9


senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Mar 3 @ 8:47 AM ET

- habman75



Watched the highlights ..and confirmed..LA did score goals
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Mar 3 @ 8:49 AM ET
can't hold onto a third period lead........... guess Boyle wasn't the answer.

another "loser point" in the stupid shoot out




Montréal Canadiens .615 / 98.8%
Ottawa Senators .597 / 83.3%
Boston Bruins .563 / 71.2%
leafs .556 / 52.1%
Florida Panthers .548 / 15.1%
Tampa Bay Lightning .532 / 17.9

- D0PPELGANGER


I really thought he would be the answer
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Mar 3 @ 8:51 AM ET
m'eh, that will change significantly next year. remove:

neil - 37
Kelly - 35
Hammond - 28

probably remove:

stalberg - 30
pyatt - 30

insert guys like white, Chabot and that avg age will drop significantly.

- sensarmy_11





I don't have a problem the average age being the second highest in the league, and as you pointed out, a number of older players will not be back with the team next year.

Just threw that out there, as I know the leaf fans usually make a big deal about older teams not really having a good shot at going deep in the playoffs........... but I'm pretty sure I know the reason they're holding back on those sentiments right now, but throughout the season there were all over it, as a huge negative.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Mar 3 @ 9:42 AM ET
I really thought he would be the answer
- senstroll

Wish we hadn't given up our best prospect for him!
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Mar 3 @ 9:45 AM ET
I really thought he would be the answer
- senstroll



yeah, I really am expecting the Leafs to win the cup this year. I really wish we gutted our future to the extent the Sens did in order to get this far.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: they are going to add the two best players outside the nhl (chabot and white) -spatso
Joined: 03.14.2014

Mar 3 @ 9:48 AM ET
I don't have a problem the average age being the second highest in the league, and as you pointed out, a number of older players will not be back with the team next year.

Just threw that out there, as I know the leaf fans usually make a big deal about older teams not really having a good shot at going deep in the playoffs........... but I'm pretty sure I know the reason they're holding back on those sentiments right now, but throughout the season there were all over it, as a huge negative.

- D0PPELGANGER


sens will make the playoffs. but like everyone else in the Atlantic, they will get run over by the metro.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: they are going to add the two best players outside the nhl (chabot and white) -spatso
Joined: 03.14.2014

Mar 3 @ 9:49 AM ET
yeah, I really am expecting the Leafs to win the cup this year. I really wish we gutted our future to the extent the Sens did in order to get this far.
- prock


sens fans think their old roster is set for a deep playoff run. melynk has them all drinking the kool-aid.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Mar 3 @ 9:51 AM ET
I don't have a problem the average age being the second highest in the league, and as you pointed out, a number of older players will not be back with the team next year.

Just threw that out there, as I know the leaf fans usually make a big deal about older teams not really having a good shot at going deep in the playoffs........... but I'm pretty sure I know the reason they're holding back on those sentiments right now, but throughout the season there were all over it, as a huge negative.

- D0PPELGANGER



I'm not sure what sentiments you're referring to. Your post isn't very clear.

But, I think you're a little mistaken. It's not that "older teams have no chance at the cup". It's quite frequently older teams that do have a chance at the cup. As those are the ones with established, experienced veterans on their roster.

I think any rational human being would agree though, all things equal, a younger roster is preferable to an older roster. Younger players can still develop, improving the team. Older players slow down, meaning the team is/will be in a downswing.

An older team, that is at the end of their window, that has taken their shot, and/or won a cup, well, that's the cycle of things. But there will pretty obviously be negative sentiments toward a team that hasn't really had a window, stands no shot, and is full of older, declining players. It's sort of like being at the end of one's "window", and in the Sens case, there hasn't really been a "window".

Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: they are going to add the two best players outside the nhl (chabot and white) -spatso
Joined: 03.14.2014

Mar 3 @ 10:13 AM ET
I'm not sure what sentiments you're referring to. Your post isn't very clear.

But, I think you're a little mistaken. It's not that "older teams have no chance at the cup". It's quite frequently older teams that do have a chance at the cup. As those are the ones with established, experienced veterans on their roster.

I think any rational human being would agree though, all things equal, a younger roster is preferable to an older roster. Younger players can still develop, improving the team. Older players slow down, meaning the team is/will be in a downswing.

An older team, that is at the end of their window, that has taken their shot, and/or won a cup, well, that's the cycle of things. But there will pretty obviously be negative sentiments toward a team that hasn't really had a window, stands no shot, and is full of older, declining players. It's sort of like being at the end of one's "window", and in the Sens case, there hasn't really been a "window".

- prock


The issue is their old players are for the most part junk. You don't win cups with a roster full of junk.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Mar 3 @ 10:24 AM ET
The issue is their old players are for the most part junk. You don't win cups with a roster full of junk.
- Tumbleweed


Junk may be a little strong. They're certainly not good enough.

guys like Brassard and Turris aren't "junk". They'd be fine as depth centres for a contending team.

When you look at cup winning teams, they almost always have guys that would be top line guys, right through to the third line. And elite guys mingled in the to two lines (more often at centre, but the Hawks had more elite wingers than centres).
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: they are going to add the two best players outside the nhl (chabot and white) -spatso
Joined: 03.14.2014

Mar 3 @ 10:32 AM ET
Junk may be a little strong. They're certainly not good enough.

guys like Brassard and Turris aren't "junk". They'd be fine as depth centres for a contending team.

- prock


They have a few good players carrying the team. they still have a lot of old junk on that roster.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Mar 3 @ 10:54 AM ET
They have a few good players carrying the team. they still have a lot of old junk on that roster.
- Tumbleweed



Well, yes, they do have more than their fair share of overpaid veteran crap on their roster. Bobby Ryan and Dion Phaneuf, with their contracts, salary and/or cap hit, is enough to make any GM cringe. Burrows is a pretty bad contract. I'd be curious to know if Macarthur's contract is insured, given Melnyk's penny pinching ways.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Mar 3 @ 2:20 PM ET
sens will make the playoffs. but like everyone else in the Atlantic, they will get run over by the metro.
- Tumbleweed


Ottawa has fared well against the Metro division, I think better than most teams in the Atlantic ............ yes I know, during the regular season, playoffs are always a much harder game, and it's 7 game series for whomever faces the Metro winner in the Conference finals.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Mar 3 @ 2:29 PM ET
Well, yes, they do have more than their fair share of overpaid veteran crap on their roster. Bobby Ryan and Dion Phaneuf, with their contracts, salary and/or cap hit, is enough to make any GM cringe. Burrows is a pretty bad contract. I'd be curious to know if Macarthur's contract is insured, given Melnyk's penny pinching ways.
- prock



During the playoff, most teams ice players, not contracts, so it's a complete waste of time yakking about this contract or that contract when talking about the playoffs.


admit it, the Sens made themselves a better team, heading into the playoffs, by bringing in a few players for depth and an upgrade on their third line, which the coach did not play much, and they were the weakest link ........ but now he does not have a problem putting them out there ........... last night all three "third liners" played about 11 mins or more ............ that's more TOI than Lazar of Neil was ever given.


Now am I saying the Sens are Cup Contenders? No, but they should win at least one round ................... unless they somehow end up facing the Capitals in the first round.
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