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burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Feb 24 @ 10:35 PM ET
Against a non playoff team? Those are guaranteed wins so I won't even bother checking.
- daeth




walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Liljegren tanked to get the Leafs
Joined: 07.14.2011

Feb 24 @ 11:55 PM ET
Against a non playoff team? Those are guaranteed wins so I won't even bother checking.
- daeth

All I know is without Spastic posting it must've been a close game. I weighed up the option that he was still in church and then I thought no, that can't be the reason he hasn't been a complete tool in over 12 hours. So, I assume it was a close game. Now, given the fact Carolina are a guaranteed win, I'm thinking a 3-2 sneaky OT victory for the Sens.


Then, it really got me thinking. Ain't nobody whose as big of an Internet trolling div either a) welcome in the church family, b) feel comfortable in church or c) has a wife that goes to church.

Seriously, do the maths. Sunday morning, go to church, sing hymns, praise the Lord, put money in the basket thing, thank the vicar, drive home via Dennys, IHOP, Swiss Chalet, only to then troll the (frank) out of Leafs fans?

Doesn't make any sense
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Feb 25 @ 12:56 AM ET
I'll go with Messier, Gretzky and Lowe.
- golfingsince


they played on 3 separate teams as rookies.
golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Feb 25 @ 2:54 AM ET
they played on 3 separate teams as rookies.
- prock


The WHA thing?

So by that logic Matthews shouldn't count because he played pro in Switzerland.

C'mon, it's not even close.
twiztedmike
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Typical short sighted Laffer not knowing what hockey and development is all about. -Nuck4U
Joined: 10.06.2007

Feb 25 @ 3:08 AM ET
tooly, you get into the sauce?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 25 @ 5:45 AM ET
Harsh, but true.

How'd the sens do tonight?

- Tumbleweed


missing four of their top six forwards.............. no so good.

prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Feb 25 @ 5:54 AM ET
The WHA thing?

So by that logic Matthews shouldn't count because he played pro in Switzerland.

C'mon, it's not even close.

- golfingsince


Oh? so how did those guys do in Calder trophy voting?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 25 @ 6:29 AM ET
Oh? so how did those guys do in Calder trophy voting?
- prock


correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't players who had played in the WHA previously, deemed not eligible for rookie status once they were in the NHL?
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Feb 25 @ 7:39 AM ET
correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't players who had played in the WHA previously, deemed not eligible for rookie status once they were in the NHL?
- D0PPELGANGER


Dude.....don't argue with spatso, er I mean prock..........obviously matthews/marner/Nylander are better than gretzky/messier/lowe.....not even close
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 25 @ 8:29 AM ET
Dude.....don't argue with spatso, er I mean prock..........obviously matthews/marner/Nylander are better than gretzky/messier/lowe.....not even close
- sensarmy_11



I just remember that when Gretzky played his first season in the NHL, he tied with Marcel Dionne for the scoring leader ....... and won the Hart trophy & the Lady Byng Memorial Trophy, but did not win the Calder Trophy (Ray Bourque), as he had played in WHA the previous season.

The NHL had their nose out of joint when it came to NHL "rookies" that had played in the WHA, and did not allow them to win the Calder.

Then ten years later they allowed Sergei Makarov to win the Calder, at age 35, after he had played 13 seasons in the Soviet league.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Feb 25 @ 8:30 AM ET
The WHA thing?

So by that logic Matthews shouldn't count because he played pro in Switzerland.

C'mon, it's not even close.

- golfingsince

Is the Swiss league NHL level now?
golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Feb 25 @ 8:32 AM ET
Oh? so how did those guys do in Calder trophy voting?
- prock

Not as well as Andrew Raycroft.

Cling to whatever you want, Gretzky scored 137 points as an 18/19 year old his first season in the NHL.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Feb 25 @ 8:33 AM ET
correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't players who had played in the WHA previously, deemed not eligible for rookie status once they were in the NHL?
- D0PPELGANGER

That's prock's point, they weren't rookies.
Dude.....don't argue with spatso, er I mean prock..........obviously matthews/marner/Nylander are better than gretzky/messier/lowe.....not even close
- sensarmy_11

He's not arguing that at all
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Feb 25 @ 8:35 AM ET
Not as well as Andrew Raycroft.

Cling to whatever you want, Gretzky scored 137 points as an 18/19 year old his first season in the NHL.

- golfingsince

If the argument you're trying to make is that this Leafs rookie class isn't the best ever, but just the best since Gretzky, Messier, and Lowe... I think I'm ok with that.
golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Feb 25 @ 8:55 AM ET
If the argument you're trying to make is that this Leafs rookie class isn't the best ever, but just the best since Gretzky, Messier, and Lowe... I think I'm ok with that.
- Feeling Glucky?


I just gave the easiest example. The Blackhawks had Kane, Toews and Byfuglien.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Feb 25 @ 9:14 AM ET
I just gave the easiest example. The Blackhawks had Kane, Toews and Byfuglien.
- golfingsince

They did. Is that necessarily better than the group of rookies the Leafs have?

I don't think there's any question that Matthews is putting up a better rookie season than Toews. Marner is about par with Kane's. And then it's Byfuglien vs Nylander, Brown, Hyman, Soshnikov, and maybe Zaitsev.

D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 25 @ 9:51 AM ET
They did. Is that necessarily better than the group of rookies the Leafs have?

I don't think there's any question that Matthews is putting up a better rookie season than Toews. Marner is about par with Kane's. And then it's Byfuglien vs Nylander, Brown, Hyman, Soshnikov, and maybe Zaitsev.

- Feeling Glucky?


The leafs last won the Cup on April 6th, 1967...... the 50th anniversary is getting closer each day ... can this superstar line up, of the best group of rookies, on one team in the history of the NHL possibly reach the Stanley Cup finals this season?
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Liljegren tanked to get the Leafs
Joined: 07.14.2011

Feb 25 @ 10:00 AM ET
The leafs last won the Cup on April 6th, 1967...... the 50th anniversary is getting closer each day ... can this superstar line up, of the best group of rookies, on one team in the history of the NHL possibly reach the Stanley Cup finals this season?
- D0PPELGANGER

Always a good retort when struggling for something.

Then we come back with Sens and Nucks have managed to win (frank) all.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Feb 25 @ 10:04 AM ET
The leafs last won the Cup on April 6th, 1967...... the 50th anniversary is getting closer each day ... can this superstar line up, of the best group of rookies, on one team in the history of the NHL possibly reach the Stanley Cup finals this season?
- D0PPELGANGER

If they did, I'm sure you guys would still find a way to pretend the sens are in a better situation.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Feb 25 @ 12:24 PM ET
I just gave the easiest example. The Blackhawks had Kane, Toews and Byfuglien.
- golfingsince



except that they were not rookies together. like it or not they all played on seperatelt teams in the wha. a different league set up to rival the nhl at the time. they eventually failed, but did feature rosters that werent exactly AHL or Swiss level. including the 4th highest NHL scorer of all time. probably 2nd if not for his time in the wha. bobby hull. many others.

anyway, if you're going to call them rookies, you've got to start calling some players close to age 30 rookies because they spent the better part of a decade in the WHA.

they werenot rookies. you don't like it, complain to the NHL.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 25 @ 2:33 PM ET
Always a good retort when struggling for something.

Then we come back with Sens and Nucks have managed to win (frank) all.

- walshyleafsfan



Yeah, leaf fans don't count anything but Stanley Cups.......... Divisional or Conference titles mean nothing I guess, when you don't win so few........... or a President Trophy either.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 25 @ 2:34 PM ET
If they did, I'm sure you guys would still find a way to pretend the sens are in a better situation.
- Feeling Glucky?



No, we would not .......... but for sure leaf fans would if the Sens did.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 25 @ 2:37 PM ET
except that they were not rookies together. like it or not they all played on seperatelt teams in the wha. a different league set up to rival the nhl at the time. they eventually failed, but did feature rosters that werent exactly AHL or Swiss level. including the 4th highest NHL scorer of all time. probably 2nd if not for his time in the wha. bobby hull. many others.

anyway, if you're going to call them rookies, you've got to start calling some players close to age 30 rookies because they spent the better part of a decade in the WHA.

they werenot rookies. you don't like it, complain to the NHL.

- prock


Like I pointed out earlier, the NHL had no love for the WHA, but they were okay with Makerov wining the Calder at age 35.
daws44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 02.08.2010

Feb 25 @ 3:02 PM ET
Like I pointed out earlier, the NHL had no love for the WHA, but they were okay with Makerov wining the Calder at age 35.
- D0PPELGANGER

Right. Wrong. Wrong.
In 1990, Sergei Makarov of the Calgary Flames became the oldest player, at age 31, to win the trophy, even though he had played for HC CSKA Moscow (the "Red Army" team) in the Soviet Union. After that season, the rules for awarding the Calder were amended so that players could only be eligible if they were under 26 years old by September 15 of their rookie season.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Feb 25 @ 3:03 PM ET
Like I pointed out earlier, the NHL had no love for the WHA, but they were okay with Makerov wining the Calder at age 35.
- D0PPELGANGER


they didn't really like that all too much either given they changed the rules because of him
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