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prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Feb 23 @ 10:18 AM ET
that's SO wrong........all our prospects suck. only the leafs have a good farm system........prock said so.
- sensarmy_11


it's craig button.
.he's almost as much of a retard as you are.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Feb 23 @ 10:19 AM ET
I never mentioned anything about how they're judged outside of their own prospect pool. The leafs top prospects are all in the nhl, so no one expect them to be in top. That wasn't the point. My point is I have a hard time putting faith in the list (button has a history of poor lists) when it's clearly flawed.
- burn


I'm sure his order might be a little off (although when talking prospects it's all subjective anyways) but I'm that for the most part he has most of the right guys there.

as for your prospects and the order that he ranks them.........can't really argue one way or the other. was surprised rychel wasn't included but he might be a bit old
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Feb 23 @ 10:21 AM ET
I never mentioned anything about how they're judged outside of their own prospect pool. The leafs top prospects are all in the nhl, so no one expect them to be in top. That wasn't the point. My point is I have a hard time putting faith in the list (button has a history of poor lists) when it's clearly flawed.

Big 3? There are clearly 3 elite guys but there is clearly more than just those 3. Brown a rookie on pace for 20 goals. Lipstick and kapenen are top level ahl players that have a shot. Plenty of young Marlies making an impact. Saying 3 guy is all there is is blatantly false.

- burn


I didn't say 3 was all there was.......I said there was no "top end" guys. brown is good, and the other guys I'm sure are there too....but I don't think they're projected to be top end impact players.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Feb 23 @ 10:21 AM ET
Regarding the button list:

He lists brooks as 19, he's 21 in 3 months.

Hard to beleive he knows the player and his projections as a prospect if he doesn't have the age right.....

Goes to my point earlier about not being able to beleive the list cause he can't get it right.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Feb 23 @ 10:22 AM ET
it's craig button.
.he's almost as much of a retard as you are.

- prock



awwwwwwww, is poor prock upset that none of the leaf prospects were on the list.

here's a cookie big guy, you go have a good cry

burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Feb 23 @ 10:22 AM ET
I didn't say 3 was all there was.......I said there was no "top end" guys. brown is good, and the other guys I'm sure are there too....but I don't think they're projected to be top end impact players.
- sensarmy_11


20 goal rookie with his background is pretty impressive.

sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Feb 23 @ 10:25 AM ET
20 goal rookie with his background is pretty impressive.
- burn


definitely impressive, but like you said, given his background is it sustainable or just a good year.

maybe it's the "Hammond factor" but I'm always skeptical of guys coming 'out of nowhere' and putting up unexpected numbers. maybe brown ends up being great for you guys, who knows.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Feb 23 @ 10:26 AM ET
awwwwwwww, is poor prock upset that none of the leaf prospects were on the list.

here's a cookie big guy, you go have a good cry


- sensarmy_11



nope. nothing would upset me when the list of top rookies is filled with Leafs.

what is it, 6 in the top 20 scoring rookies?

I'm quite pleased with the best group of rookies any team has ever assembled in the history of the NHL.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Feb 23 @ 10:30 AM ET
nope. nothing would upset me when the list of top rookies is filled with Leafs.

what is it, 6 in the top 20 scoring rookies?

I'm quite pleased with the best group of rookies any team has ever assembled in the history of the NHL.

- prock


okay there spatso......er I mean prock. I guess today you're using your prock account. sorry, so easy to mix them up.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 23 @ 10:30 AM ET
that's SO wrong........all our prospects suck. only the leafs have a good farm system........prock said so.
- sensarmy_11



leafs had 0 out of 50, on that list ......... Ottawa has 4 out of 50 ........... so I guess that means the leafs are in a better situation????
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: when it's a 3 taco-bell town, maybe they'll be ready, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Feb 23 @ 10:47 AM ET
awwwwwwww, is poor prock upset that none of the leaf prospects were on the list.

here's a cookie big guy, you go have a good cry


- sensarmy_11

i want a cookie
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Feb 23 @ 10:51 AM ET
definitely impressive, but like you said, given his background is it sustainable or just a good year.

maybe it's the "Hammond factor" but I'm always skeptical of guys coming 'out of nowhere' and putting up unexpected numbers. maybe brown ends up being great for you guys, who knows.

- sensarmy_11

By "His background" he meant "history of excelling in every league he's played in"
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Feb 23 @ 11:01 AM ET
okay there spatso......er I mean prock. I guess today you're using your prock account. sorry, so easy to mix them up.
- sensarmy_11


name a better group chump.

the only one that comes close to my knowledge is Heatley and Kovalchuk. and I'd say we've got that beat.

senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Feb 23 @ 11:20 AM ET
definitely impressive, but like you said, given his background is it sustainable or just a good year.

maybe it's the "Hammond factor" but I'm always skeptical of guys coming 'out of nowhere' and putting up unexpected numbers. maybe brown ends up being great for you guys, who knows.

- sensarmy_11



Hammond wasnt drafted... a better comparison might be Stone of Hoffman ..5/6 round picks ..Brown a 6th
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Feb 23 @ 11:24 AM ET
leafs had 0 out of 50, on that list ......... Ottawa has 4 out of 50 ........... so I guess that means the leafs are in a better situation????
- D0PPELGANGER


The Leafs have 9 rookies in the NHL contributing to the Team being in a playoff spot less than a season after finishing 30th

The Sens have prospects on a list made up by Craig Button

So yes
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Liljegren tanked to get the Leafs
Joined: 07.14.2011

Feb 23 @ 11:27 AM ET
I love it when people quote Craig Button and/or Darren Dreger.
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Liljegren tanked to get the Leafs
Joined: 07.14.2011

Feb 23 @ 11:32 AM ET
Regarding the button list:

He lists brooks as 19, he's 21 in 3 months.

Hard to beleive he knows the player and his projections as a prospect if he doesn't have the age right.....

Goes to my point earlier about not being able to beleive the list cause he can't get it right.

- burn


Do you really expect Button to know the age/ability/potential of these players?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 23 @ 11:48 AM ET
The Leafs have 9 rookies in the NHL contributing to the Team being in a playoff spot less than a season after finishing 30th

The Sens have prospects on a list made up by Craig Button

So yes

- senstroll



The Sens had their big influx of rookies a few seasons back, so the leaf are a few years behind in each teams respective "rebuilds". Ottawa suffered a set back when Spezza asked for a trade, so perhaps the leafs have closed the gap a bit, but there is the possibility of the leafs having a "set back" in some sense .......... who knows?
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Feb 23 @ 12:06 PM ET
The Sens had their big influx of rookies a few seasons back, so the leaf are a few years behind in each teams respective "rebuilds". Ottawa suffered a set back when Spezza asked for a trade, so perhaps the leafs have closed the gap a bit, but there is the possibility of the leafs having a "set back" in some sense .......... who knows?
- D0PPELGANGER



who was that?
daws44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 02.08.2010

Feb 23 @ 12:11 PM ET
who was that?
- senstroll


Prince+Puempel>Matthews+Marner
AINEC

Sens.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 23 @ 12:18 PM ET
who was that?
- senstroll



Ottawa has 6 rookies in their 2013 - 2014 season.........5 are still with the team.

senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Feb 23 @ 12:29 PM ET
Ottawa has 6 rookies in their 2013 - 2014 season.........5 are still with the team.
- D0PPELGANGER



that team was lead by Veterans... the "rookies" played like 20 games

not the same thing
twiztedmike
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.06.2007

Feb 23 @ 12:56 PM ET
that's SO wrong........all our prospects suck. only the leafs have a good farm system........prock said so.
- sensarmy_11

It's Craig Buffoon
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Feb 23 @ 1:03 PM ET
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Feb 23 @ 2:28 PM ET
The Sens had their big influx of rookies a few seasons back, so the leaf are a few years behind in each teams respective "rebuilds". Ottawa suffered a set back when Spezza asked for a trade, so perhaps the leafs have closed the gap a bit, but there is the possibility of the leafs having a "set back" in some sense .......... who knows?
- D0PPELGANGER

Yes, but a lot of Ottawa's rookies were older and of lower quality.

It's possible that the Leafs may suffer a set back in the future. But this isn't the "who is more likely to suffer an unforseen setback" thread.
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