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sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Feb 17 @ 2:04 PM ET
pretty sure
- prock[email][email protected][/email] of.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/...,&sort=evTimeOnIcePerGame

http://www.nhl.com/stats/...,&sort=evTimeOnIcePerGame

http://www.nhl.com/stats/...,&sort=evTimeOnIcePerGame


here is the last year he was used more than any other dman at ES.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/...,&sort=evTimeOnIcePerGame


So one year he was 2nd (still top pairing), the other year he was 3rd except that the 2nd place guy (brewer) only played 18 games for you and they were counting his time in Ana and TB. and the other time was last year, when 30 of his games were in Ottawa on the 2nd pairing which skewed his number down

you can claim he was a 2nd pairing guy in TO all you want............everybody knows he wasn't, ever
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Feb 17 @ 2:35 PM ET
So one year he was 2nd (still top pairing), the other year he was 3rd except that the 2nd place guy (brewer) only played 18 games for you and they were counting his time in Ana and TB. and the other time was last year, when 30 of his games were in Ottawa on the 2nd pairing which skewed his number down

you can claim he was a 2nd pairing guy in TO all you want............everybody knows he wasn't, ever

- sensarmy_11


Brewer.. I forgot he was a Leaf
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Feb 17 @ 2:56 PM ET
So one year he was 2nd (still top pairing), the other year he was 3rd except that the 2nd place guy (brewer) only played 18 games for you and they were counting his time in Ana and TB.
- sensarmy_11



No they were not counting his time on other teams. Look at the games played. That's filtered to his time in Toronto.

and the other time was last year, when 30 of his games were in Ottawa on the 2nd pairing which skewed his number down

- sensarmy_11


Also untrue, again, look at games played. Those are his numbers in Toronto. His ice time for the year is actually skewed UPWARDS by his time in Ottawa that year, as I say, making it silly that Sens fans claim he was miscast, and then shifted to an easier role.


you can claim he was a 2nd pairing guy in TO all you want............everybody knows he wasn't, ever

- sensarmy_11


And yet, you yourself say he was 4th in ES icetime by his final year? And not first in several years.

You claimed he was the number one dman in Toronto, and miscast as that. It's quite clear his role had diminished, and he was no longer that. He wasn't, it's obvious. He hadn't been the go to guy in Toronto for a few years. He started at that (when he was 27), but by the time he was traded, he had fallen down the depth chart.

His overall ice got bumped up as a special teams specialist.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Feb 17 @ 3:00 PM ET
They are Prockternative facts, deal with it
- senstroll


You can't honestly agree that Phaneuf was still the go to guy in Toronto, can you? Do you really think he was counted on anywhere near as much as he was 5 years ago? Not a chance, not close. You're a numbers guy, start looking up all the qualcomp, whatever advanced stat you want. He was steadily being less and less utilized.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Feb 17 @ 3:06 PM ET
You can't honestly agree that Phaneuf was still the go to guy in Toronto, can you? Do you really think he was counted on anywhere near as much as he was 5 years ago? Not a chance, not close. You're a numbers guy, start looking up all the qualcomp, whatever advanced stat you want. He was steadily being less and less utilized.
- prock


He was basically the 1 or 2 the whole time he was a leaf.
Last season before the trade Babcock started to give the tougher mins to other players (Rielly/Gardiner), and his corsi and whatnot did rebound from the Carlyle days. I think that was just to make him look better in order to trade him.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Feb 17 @ 6:16 PM ET
He was basically the 1 or 2 the whole time he was a leaf.
Last season before the trade Babcock started to give the tougher mins to other players (Rielly/Gardiner), and his corsi and whatnot did rebound from the Carlyle days. I think that was just to make him look better in order to trade him.

- senstroll


Exactly......other than his last year he was always the #1 or #2 in totonto
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 17 @ 7:37 PM ET
Brewer.. I forgot he was a Leaf
- senstroll


spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Feb 17 @ 9:48 PM ET

- D0PPELGANGER


So good!
Not_Yan
St Louis Blues
Location: it's an excellent product, easier, quicker, and even better than real mashed potatoes.
Joined: 04.19.2013

Feb 18 @ 10:11 AM ET

LEAFS
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: they are going to add the two best players outside the nhl (chabot and white) -spatso
Joined: 03.14.2014

Feb 18 @ 12:54 PM ET
GO LEAFS
- Not_Yan


Fixed
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Feb 18 @ 1:50 PM ET
Sens rolling. Leafs stumbling. Marner out will leave a huge hole. Leivo is another guy like Brown ive always thought could or would be solid 2nd or 3rd line nhlers. Hopefully he keeps it up. 5-2 Sens.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 18 @ 3:20 PM ET
Sens rolling. Leafs stumbling. Marner out will leave a huge hole. Leivo is another guy like Brown ive always thought could or would be solid 2nd or 3rd line nhlers. Hopefully he keeps it up. 5-2 Sens.
- systemtool



Ottawa is 5-4-1 in their last 10 games .......... that, it not "rolling".

But seeing how it's preemptive excuse making time, let me just say that Ottawa has followed up a defensive well played games lately, with "crap the bed" type of game. leafs 6 Sens 1.

systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Feb 18 @ 3:54 PM ET
Laine got Spatso'd again.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Feb 18 @ 3:56 PM ET
Ottawa is 5-4-1 in their last 10 games .......... that, it not "rolling".

But seeing how it's preemptive excuse making time, let me just say that Ottawa has followed up a defensive well played games lately, with "crap the bed" type of game. leafs 6 Sens 1.

- D0PPELGANGER



how was that an excuse? i gave the Sens credit and was honestly critical of the Leafs. you seem angry and senstive. "rattled" almost. I dont think the Sens are a good team so that record for them is "rolling" and to be fair i was referring to their last 3 or 4 games. not 10. not sure why you had to pull the "last 10 games" stat. guess it helped with the grrrrr in your anger. way to go full Spatsrock
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: when it's a 3 taco-bell town, maybe they'll be ready, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Feb 18 @ 6:23 PM ET
Laine got Spatso'd again.
- systemtool

A 2nd assist and an En goal. He's absolutely carrying the Jets offense right now.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Feb 18 @ 6:24 PM ET
A 2nd assist and an En goal. He's absolutely carrying the Jets offense right now.
- daeth



"there go Leaf fans again. making excuses ahead of time for tonights loss." - Doppatsock
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 18 @ 6:29 PM ET
how was that an excuse? i gave the Sens credit and was honestly critical of the Leafs. you seem angry and senstive. "rattled" almost. I dont think the Sens are a good team so that record for them is "rolling" and to be fair i was referring to their last 3 or 4 games. not 10. not sure why you had to pull the "last 10 games" stat. guess it helped with the grrrrr in your anger. way to go full Spatsrock
- systemtool




"Marner out will leave a huge hole."

systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Feb 18 @ 6:31 PM ET
Marner out will leave a huge hole.
- D0PPELGANGER



it was a comment on the team not the game. thought that was obvious when i mentioned Leivo right after playings solid. selective reading i suppose. whatever is convenient to justify the grrrr in your anger.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 18 @ 6:34 PM ET
it was a comment on the team not the game. thought that was obvious when i mentioned Leivo right after playings solid. selective reading i suppose. whatever is convenient to justify the grrrr in your anger.
- systemtool



maybe obvious to someone who watches the leafs play every game, I only see them when the play the Senators.


daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: when it's a 3 taco-bell town, maybe they'll be ready, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Feb 18 @ 6:37 PM ET
"there go Leaf fans again. making excuses ahead of time for tonights loss." - Doppatsock
- systemtool

He already has 3 EN goals and 1 EN assist on the year. The Leafs as a team have 1 EN goal all year, that's good enough for last in that category. Matthews didn't get a point on it.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Feb 18 @ 6:44 PM ET
maybe obvious to someone who watches the leafs play every game, I only see them when the play the Senators.



- D0PPELGANGER


i dont even know what this means in relation to your over reaction to an honest and simple prediction for tonights game. You dont need to know all about the Leafs to avoid throwing a tantrum over a simple game prediciton or an opinion on a couple of rookies. relax. dont be so angry and sensitive.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Feb 18 @ 6:46 PM ET
He already has 3 EN goals and 1 EN assist on the year. The Leafs as a team have 1 EN goal all year, that's good enough for last in that category. Matthews didn't get a point on it.
- daeth



we need a link to a you tube video of a sens fan talking to reach a conclusion on this.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 18 @ 6:55 PM ET
i dont even know what this means in relation to your over reaction to an honest and simple prediction for tonights game. You dont need to know all about the Leafs to avoid throwing a tantrum over a simple game prediciton or an opinion on a couple of rookies. relax. dont be so angry and sensitive.
- systemtool



you sound
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Feb 18 @ 6:56 PM ET
you sound rattled......
- D0PPELGANGER



the rattled card has been played.

damn. i got to you so bad you had to edit and get some back up help with the delivery of the "rattled" card. im good.
The Shrike
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto
Joined: 11.17.2007

Feb 18 @ 6:56 PM ET
Leafs management has said all along this year not to get excited about this season, as it would be a long rebuilding phase. Ottawa on the other hand was supposed to be a good team and contend for the cup. Who's in a better spot right now?
- Jay Gulley


Leafs have done better than expected this season, but they are still a rebuilding team, and need to stay the course. By that I mean no trade deadline deals that prop up the short term at the expense of drafting and development. Slow and steady wins the race.
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