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Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Feb 17 @ 6:57 AM ET
If I had a political reincarnation choice I would rather be Bernie Sanders.
- spatso

I can see you wanting to be intelligent.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Feb 17 @ 9:47 AM ET
Phaneuf has another great game. Hits 10 goal mark. Really solid year. Strong leadership.
- spatso



Dion

Corsi 47.21
Shot% 46.99
Goals for/Against 33/42
GF% 44

these are all not good.


for context. the leafs worst D in these stats is Polak

Corsi 47.74
Shot% 48.18
Goals for/Against 28/25
GF% 52.83

Dion is not having a Solid year
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 17 @ 9:56 AM ET
Phaneuf has another great game. Hits 10 goal mark. Really solid year. Strong leadership.
- spatso


Scored his 9th goal last night ..........GWG to boot.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 17 @ 9:58 AM ET
Hunwick and Polak may get something like a 2nd round pick at the Trade deadline. Lots of teams looking for veteran guys that aren't horrible defensively, and can add a bit of toughness.

that's the kind of thing a lot of teams could use. Even a team like Ottawa, to push guys like Boroweicki, or Phaneuf, or Ceci down the lineup to a more appropriate spot.

- prock



sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Feb 17 @ 10:05 AM ET
Dion

Corsi 47.21
Shot% 46.99
Goals for/Against 33/42
GF% 44

these are all not good.


for context. the leafs worst D in these stats is Polak

Corsi 47.74
Shot% 48.18
Goals for/Against 28/25
GF% 52.83

Dion is not having a Solid year

- senstroll


phaneuf, in no small part due to his partner ceci, was a tire fire for the first 20 games or so this year. his advanced stats have been rising pretty consistently since. his "traditional" stats are all very solid, goals, points, hits, etc.

while spatso tends to exaggerate, phaneuf has been perfectly fine, very solid 2nd pairing d-man....albeit overpaid.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Feb 17 @ 10:12 AM ET
phaneuf, in no small part due to his partner ceci, was a tire fire for the first 20 games or so this year. his advanced stats have been rising pretty consistently since. his "traditional" stats are all very solid, goals, points, hits, etc.

while spatso tends to exaggerate, phaneuf has been perfectly fine, very solid 2nd pairing d-man....albeit overpaid.

- sensarmy_11


He has been very strong and has taken really tough match ups in a lot of games.

He is a large part of the success the Sens have experienced this year.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Feb 17 @ 10:25 AM ET
phaneuf, in no small part due to his partner ceci, was a tire fire for the first 20 games or so this year. his advanced stats have been rising pretty consistently since. his "traditional" stats are all very solid, goals, points, hits, etc.

while spatso tends to exaggerate, phaneuf has been perfectly fine, very solid 2nd pairing d-man....albeit overpaid.

- sensarmy_11



ok so just looking as the last 34 game.. taking out the first 20

Dion
Corsi 47.11
Shot% 47.18
Goals for/Against 24/25
GF% 48.98

Pretty close to the same

One D that stand out to me in these stats is Wideman also played last 34 games

Corsi 53.19
Shot% 52.51
Goals for/Against 12/8
GF% 60%
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 17 @ 10:29 AM ET
He has been very strong and has taken really tough match ups in a lot of games.

He is a part of the success the Sens have experienced this year.

- spatso


Fixed
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Feb 17 @ 10:30 AM ET
He has been very strong and has taken really tough match ups in a lot of games.

He is a large part of the success the Sens have experienced this year.

- spatso


He looks to be exactly what he was in Toronto.. nothing special, not very good fancy stats at 5v5. Gets half his point from PP

D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 17 @ 10:36 AM ET
ok so just looking as the last 34 game.. taking out the first 20

Dion
Corsi 47.11
Shot% 47.18
Goals for/Against 24/25
GF% 48.98

Pretty close to the same

One D that stand out to me in these stats is Wideman also played last 34 games

Corsi 53.19
Shot% 52.51
Goals for/Against 12/8
GF% 60%

- senstroll




You're never gonna convince anyone who has watched every game the Senators have played, that DP is having a terrible year , or whatever.

He's done the job he was brought in to do, and brought in his veteran experience and leadership skills as well. He has been a plus, not a minus for the Sens. He basically replaced Cowen's spot on the 2nd pairing, and has not be the huge disappointment you're trying to make him out to be.
No he is not the Norris candidate that Spatso is making him out to be either.


There was no need to consult your stats to inform us, who watch the Sens play, that Wideman has really stepped up this season, and is showing why he had so much success at the AHL level.

I suspect he is clearly on the "select" list for the LV Golden Knights.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Feb 17 @ 10:50 AM ET
You're never gonna convince anyone who has watched every game the Senators have played, that DP is having a terrible year , or whatever.

He's done the job he was brought in to do, and brought in his veteran experience and leadership skills as well. He has been a plus, not a minus for the Sens. He basically replaced Cowen's spot on the 2nd pairing, and has not be the huge disappointment you're trying to make him out to be.
No he is not the Norris candidate that Spatso is making him out to be either.


There was no need to consult your stats to inform us, who watch the Sens play, that Wideman has really stepped up this season, and is showing why he had so much success at the AHL level.

I suspect he is clearly on the "select" list for the LV Golden Knights.

- D0PPELGANGER


I think the Sens deal Ceci and protect Wideman. They will expose Phaneuf and Borowieki

Thought Claesson looked solid as he has most games
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 17 @ 10:55 AM ET
I think the Sens deal Ceci and protect Wideman. They will expose Phaneuf and Borowieki

Thought Claesson looked solid as he has most games

- spatso



Please explain why any playoff bound team would trade away one of their top 4 D men at this point of the Season?
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Feb 17 @ 11:00 AM ET
You're never gonna convince anyone who has watched every game the Senators have played, that DP is having a terrible year , or whatever.

He's done the job he was brought in to do, and brought in his veteran experience and leadership skills as well. He has been a plus, not a minus for the Sens. He basically replaced Cowen's spot on the 2nd pairing, and has not be the huge disappointment you're trying to make him out to be.
No he is not the Norris candidate that Spatso is making him out to be either.


There was no need to consult your stats to inform us, who watch the Sens play, that Wideman has really stepped up this season, and is showing why he had so much success at the AHL level.

I suspect he is clearly on the "select" list for the LV Golden Knights.

- D0PPELGANGER


I never said Terrible, he is just not the player spatso is claiming

Team results will cloud these things and make you overlook or quickly forget stuff.
The Sens are winning...its easy to ignore individual results.

As for wideman, its just something that stood out while looking over the sens Stats.. I dont watch them much at all...but its funny how the stats align with your view on him and you dont need me to show you stats...But not with Dion..the stats are wrong I guess.. its not yours or Spatso Bias in play..nope
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 17 @ 11:06 AM ET
I never said Terrible, he is just not the player spatso is claiming

Team results will cloud these things and make you overlook or quickly forget stuff.
The Sens are winning...its easy to ignore individual results.

As for wideman, its just something that stood out while looking over the sens Stats.. I dont watch them much at all...but its funny how the stats align with your view on him and you dont need me to show you stats...But not with Dion..the stats are wrong I guess.. its not yours or Spatso Bias in play..nope

- senstroll



Wideman and Phaneuf play different roles. One is a better skater and starts rushes/breakouts on the PP.

I would rather lose Phaneuf than lose Wideman in the Expansion draft........
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Feb 17 @ 11:58 AM ET
Wideman and Phaneuf play different roles. One is a better skater and starts rushes/breakouts on the PP.

I would rather lose Phaneuf than lose Wideman in the Expansion draft........

- D0PPELGANGER


Wideman would probably suffer if asked to do more... like Dion does
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Feb 17 @ 12:20 PM ET
Wideman would probably suffer if asked to do more... like Dion does
- senstroll


I agree

wideman is the ideal 3rd pairing 2nd PP unit guy. he can drive offense against weaker competition while karlsson drives it against top competition.

dion is the same, he's ideally suited to anchor a 2nd pairing, but is out of place trying to be "the guy" on the blue line for any team. I think that's why he failed in Toronto, because he was miscast from day one as a #1 guy, when in reality he's a decent #2 and preferably a #3 guy.........(waits for prock's reply to tell everyone that he's actually a #7 guy, in the echl, on a terrible team)
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Feb 17 @ 12:40 PM ET
I agree

wideman is the ideal 3rd pairing 2nd PP unit guy. he can drive offense against weaker competition while karlsson drives it against top competition.

dion is the same, he's ideally suited to anchor a 2nd pairing, but is out of place trying to be "the guy" on the blue line for any team. I think that's why he failed in Toronto, because he was miscast from day one as a #1 guy, when in reality he's a decent #2 and preferably a #3 guy.........(waits for prock's reply to tell everyone that he's actually a #7 guy, in the echl, on a terrible team)

- sensarmy_11



the last 2-3 seasons his role was diminishing and yes still wasn't excelling though. not failing monumentally or anything, but certainly not excelling.

the problem is that sens fans claim he was miscast in a number 1 role. but he wasn't really playing that past about 2014.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Feb 17 @ 12:59 PM ET
the last 2-3 seasons his role was diminishing and yes still wasn't excelling though. not failing monumentally or anything, but certainly not excelling.

the problem is that sens fans claim he was miscast in a number 1 role. but he wasn't really playing that past about 2014.

- prock


he was #1 on the leafs in ice time every year he was there....except for last year he was #2 but still on the top pairing)...........so how was he not playing that role. he was tops in total ice time, pp ice time, and 1st or 2nd in pk except for last year.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Feb 17 @ 1:08 PM ET
he was #1 on the leafs in ice time every year he was there....except for last year he was #2 but still on the top pairing)...........so how was he not playing that role. he was tops in total ice time, pp ice time, and 1st or 2nd in pk except for last year.
- sensarmy_11



pretty simple. he was the guy they were playing on the second pairing but marching out for his point shot on the PP. his even strength ice had dropped and he hadn't been playing first line for a few years.

sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Feb 17 @ 1:17 PM ET
pretty simple. he was the guy they were playing on the second pairing but marching out for his point shot on the PP. his even strength ice had dropped and he hadn't been playing first line for a few years.
- prock


you can claim it all you want, the numbers according to NHL.com don't match your claim.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Feb 17 @ 1:20 PM ET
you can claim it all you want, the numbers according to NHL.com don't match your claim.
- sensarmy_11


They are Prockternative facts, deal with it

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