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golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Feb 7 @ 11:10 AM ET
I absolutely remember. And I agree, he's developed into a very good dman. I'm just reluctant to say Norris winner at this point. I don't really see that just yet.
- prock


Maybe i'm biased. I had him as the top player in the draft all along.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Feb 7 @ 11:11 AM ET
Maybe i'm biased. I had him as the top player in the draft all along.
- golfingsince



You're not the only one. I'm not really saying you're wrong either.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Feb 7 @ 11:23 AM ET
ok well use one of the 10-15 D that went before pick #64 as an example then that are nobodys ..or use Luke Schenn

the NHL is littered with these stories, WJC heroes who flame out in the NHL and 3- 5th rounders who are playing top 4 mins

- senstroll


I think there was like an 8-10 year window there where you saw a ton of highly touted dmen, who were picked high in the draft, who ended up flaming out. my thoughts on that is that for years people just looked at the size of a dman and that was the most important factor in determining whether or not they'd be good.....forget skating, shooting, hockey iq, etc, etc....if they were 6'4 or bigger they were a 1st rd pick.

I think people are starting to get away from that now which is why over the last few years you haven't seen nearly as many highly drafted flops
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Feb 7 @ 11:24 AM ET
The point being, is that you're claiming that "Sens Fans" think 100% that Chabot is going to be a NHL star, or whatever ............. but your basing it only on ONE Sens fan, Spatso.

Anyone with a modicum of NHL historical understanding, knows you have to wait and see if a Prospect who has shown great promise at the Junior Level, the WJC level and even at the AHL level .......... plays at the NHL level, for a couple or more seasons before knowing what you have in that player.

Don't make the mistake assuming Spatso is representative of all Sens fans, more than you are representative of all leaf fans.

Spatso famously said that "Shane Prince" was the steal of the 2011 draft" ... and so far that does not seem to be the fact he insisted it was at the time.

- D0PPELGANGER


The chabot hype train is barreling along at the moment..hard to find a sens fan that doesnt think he will be good in the NHL

I wish I could dig up those posts from Spatso about how the Sens had 4 or 5 prospects ready to make the Jump to the NHL and contribute, and how the sens were building a strong prospect pool...it was around 2011-12 ..Prince, Pimple Noesoen etc.. all were going to make the team... 5 years later..maybe 1 was an NHL player...for another team
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Feb 7 @ 11:28 AM ET
The chabot hype train is barreling along at the moment..hard to find a sens fan that doesnt think he will be good in the NHL

I wish I could dig up those posts from Spatso about how the Sens had 4 or 5 prospects ready to make the Jump to the NHL and contribute, and how the sens were building a strong prospect pool...it was around 2011-12 ..Prince, Pimple Noesoen etc.. all were going to make the team... 5 years later..maybe 1 was an NHL player...for another team

- senstroll


there is a big difference between the majority of sens fans (along with just about every single analyst and expert) who think Chabot will be a good NHL player......and the few homers who are 100000% sure that he'll be an elite top end player.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 7 @ 11:31 AM ET


the NHL is littered with these stories, WJC heroes who flame out in the NHL and 3- 5th rounders who are playing top 4 mins

- senstroll


All voted WJC "best D Man"


Dion Phaneuf
Marc Staal
Erik Johnson
Drew Doughty
Erik Karlsson
Alex Pietrangelo
Ryan Ellis
Brandon Gormley
Jacob Trouba
Rasmus Ristolainen
Vladislav Gavrikov
Zach Werenski



Yeah, the NHL is "Littered" with former WJC MVPs............. perhaps more "hits" than misses though.

Voted WJC MVP

2006 Evgeni Malkin
2007 Carey Price
2008 Steve Mason
2009 John Tavares
2010 Jordan Eberle
2011 Brayden Schenn
2012 Evgeny Kuznetsov
2013 John Gibson
2014 Filip Forsberg
2015 Sam Reinhart
2016 Jesse Puljujärvi




So Chabot won BOTH tournament Best D Man and tournament MVP ........ so I guess he's sure to be an everyday NHLer, at some point ........... next season, perhaps, would not be surprised, or disappointed if he starts his pro career in the AHL.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Feb 7 @ 11:54 AM ET
All voted WJC "best D Man"


Dion Phaneuf
Marc Staal
Erik Johnson
Drew Doughty
Erik Karlsson
Alex Pietrangelo
Ryan Ellis
Brandon Gormley
Jacob Trouba
Rasmus Ristolainen
Vladislav Gavrikov
Zach Werenski



Yeah, the NHL is "Littered" with former WJC MVPs............. perhaps more "hits" than misses though.

Voted WJC MVP

2006 Evgeni Malkin
2007 Carey Price
2008 Steve Mason
2009 John Tavares
2010 Jordan Eberle
2011 Brayden Schenn
2012 Evgeny Kuznetsov
2013 John Gibson
2014 Filip Forsberg
2015 Sam Reinhart
2016 Jesse Puljujärvi




So Chabot won BOTH tournament Best D Man and tournament MVP ........ so I guess he's sure to be an everyday NHLer, at some point ........... next season, perhaps, would not be surprised, or disappointed if he starts his pro career in the AHL.

- D0PPELGANGER


Interesting that if you go back another 5 or 10 years in that Dman list from where you stopped, you get a good ole pile of dog crap.

Either way, there are some great dmen on that list, some guys that are considered good young dmen (but haven't established themselves as top dmen) and there are some very underwhelming ones too, like Gormley, Johnson, Staal, Phaneuf, Ellis.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Feb 7 @ 12:59 PM ET
All voted WJC "best D Man"


Dion Phaneuf
Marc Staal
Erik Johnson
Drew Doughty
Erik Karlsson
Alex Pietrangelo
Ryan Ellis
Brandon Gormley
Jacob Trouba
Rasmus Ristolainen
Vladislav Gavrikov
Zach Werenski



Yeah, the NHL is "Littered" with former WJC MVPs............. perhaps more "hits" than misses though.

Voted WJC MVP

2006 Evgeni Malkin
2007 Carey Price
2008 Steve Mason
2009 John Tavares
2010 Jordan Eberle
2011 Brayden Schenn
2012 Evgeny Kuznetsov
2013 John Gibson
2014 Filip Forsberg
2015 Sam Reinhart
2016 Jesse Puljujärvi




So Chabot won BOTH tournament Best D Man and tournament MVP ........ so I guess he's sure to be an everyday NHLer, at some point ........... next season, perhaps, would not be surprised, or disappointed if he starts his pro career in the AHL.

- D0PPELGANGER


The next Vladislav Gavrikov
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: you cant say Lehner is a bumb -BigDog912
Joined: 06.30.2006

Feb 7 @ 3:46 PM ET
Is there anyone of the current leaf defensive corp that you can suggest is an above average D man........... or any prospect in the system that is projected to be?
- D0PPELGANGER


No
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: you cant say Lehner is a bumb -BigDog912
Joined: 06.30.2006

Feb 7 @ 3:49 PM ET
there is a big difference between the majority of sens fans (along with just about every single analyst and expert) who think Chabot will be a good NHL player......and the few homers who are 100000% sure that he'll be an elite top end player.
- sensarmy_11


He sure looks like he has the potential to be an impact D.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: you cant say Lehner is a bumb -BigDog912
Joined: 06.30.2006

Feb 7 @ 3:51 PM ET
The next Vladislav Gavrikov
- senstroll


who ?!



(I know you're being facetious. Chabot is a fantastic prospect!)
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: they are going to add the two best players outside the nhl (chabot and white) -spatso
Joined: 03.14.2014

Feb 7 @ 10:21 PM ET
Good win by the leafs tonight.

How did the sens do?
twiztedmike
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.06.2007

Feb 7 @ 10:24 PM ET
Good win by the leafs tonight.

How did the sens do?

- Tumbleweed

you know how they did

come on.

do you live under a rock? how could you not know?
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: when it's a 3 taco-bell town, maybe they'll be ready, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Feb 7 @ 10:30 PM ET
gonna be a lot of free schedules in toronto tomorrow i think. by pure coincidence i think sens fans might be a bit busy for a little while.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: they are going to add the two best players outside the nhl (chabot and white) -spatso
Joined: 03.14.2014

Feb 7 @ 10:30 PM ET
you know how they did

come on.

do you live under a rock? how could you not know?

- twiztedmike


How else do you find out about these things?

It's like the whole laine vs Matthews thing. I didn't know laine was the sens best player until i came here.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: they are going to add the two best players outside the nhl (chabot and white) -spatso
Joined: 03.14.2014

Feb 7 @ 10:31 PM ET
gonna be a lot of free schedules in toronto tomorrow i think. by pure coincidence i think sens fans might be a bit busy for a little while.
- daeth


D0pps will be around.

Rain or shine, he's here.
twiztedmike
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.06.2007

Feb 7 @ 10:32 PM ET
D0pps will be around.

Rain or shine, he's here.

- Tumbleweed

I admire him
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 7 @ 11:25 PM ET
D0pps will be around.

Rain or shine, he's here.

- Tumbleweed


I'm here, if I'm in town .......... when I travel, I don't spend any time on the Internet, other than checking the weather ..........
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Feb 8 @ 8:04 AM ET
I'm here, if I'm in town .......... when I travel, I don't spend any time on the Internet, other than checking the weather ..........
- D0PPELGANGER


It was Raining pucks in the Sens net last night
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 8 @ 8:18 AM ET
It was Raining pucks in the Sens net last night
- senstroll



Just as many as there were in the leafs net vs the Islanders.

Let's remember that Ottawa's starting goaltender, has only played in 19 games so far this season, and managed to win 12 of them. The remaining 32 games were played with either our 2nd or 3rd back up goaltenders.

The leafs have had their starting goaltender play 43 games for them .......... I suspect if Ottawa had their starter for 43 games this season, they would probably be sitting much more comfortably in a playoff spot than they are now.
Not_Yan
St Louis Blues
Location: it's an excellent product, easier, quicker, and even better than real mashed potatoes.
Joined: 04.19.2013

Feb 8 @ 8:29 AM ET


LEAFS
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Feb 8 @ 8:29 AM ET
It was Raining pucks in the Sens net last night
- senstroll



At least they could take shelter at the other end. It was nice and dry.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: they are going to add the two best players outside the nhl (chabot and white) -spatso
Joined: 03.14.2014

Feb 8 @ 9:44 AM ET
It was Raining pucks in the Sens net last night
- senstroll

Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: they are going to add the two best players outside the nhl (chabot and white) -spatso
Joined: 03.14.2014

Feb 8 @ 10:04 AM ET
Just as many as there were in the leafs net vs the Islanders.

Let's remember that Ottawa's starting goaltender, has only played in 19 games so far this season, and managed to win 12 of them. The remaining 32 games were played with either our 2nd or 3rd back up goaltenders.

The leafs have had their starting goaltender play 43 games for them .......... I suspect if Ottawa had their starter for 43 games this season, they would probably be sitting much more comfortably in a playoff spot than they are now.

- D0PPELGANGER


Doubtful.

Condon has given you guys very good goal goaltending up until recently…as good or better than Anderson

Your condon has finally burst…
twiztedmike
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.06.2007

Feb 8 @ 10:05 AM ET
LEAFS
- Not_Yan

Is it even close?
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