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sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Feb 3 @ 1:30 PM ET
hahahahaha.

In what world does that garbage get you Matt Duchene?

- prock


look at the garbage you got for kessel (who's a better player)......
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: when it's a 3 taco-bell town, maybe they'll be ready, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Feb 3 @ 1:32 PM ET
look at the garbage you got for kessel (who's a better player)......
- sensarmy_11

dont forget the retained salary
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Feb 3 @ 1:42 PM ET
dont forget the retained salary
- daeth


sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Feb 3 @ 1:44 PM ET
dont forget the retained salary
- daeth


the kessel trade came up in tanner's blog because he said the caps could get Duchene for like a couple of c or b level prospects and picks...........and he said the leafs came out even in the kessel trade because they didn't get much quality and it made them a worse team, allowing them to draft Matthews.

literally the most ass backwards logic I've ever read.
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: when it's a 3 taco-bell town, maybe they'll be ready, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Feb 3 @ 1:55 PM ET
the kessel trade came up in tanner's blog because he said the caps could get Duchene for like a couple of c or b level prospects and picks...........and he said the leafs came out even in the kessel trade because they didn't get much quality and it made them a worse team, allowing them to draft Matthews.

literally the most ass backwards logic I've ever read.

- sensarmy_11

its kind of like the hall trade. did they get good value? (frank) no. did it make them a better team? yes. had the leafs not been lucky with the lottery there'd be literally nothing positive about that trade though.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Feb 3 @ 2:12 PM ET
Ottawa can certainly make a strong pitch for Duchene. Not sure it is the right thing to do.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: they are going to add the two best players outside the nhl (chabot and white) -spatso
Joined: 03.14.2014

Feb 3 @ 3:02 PM ET
its kind of like the hall trade. did they get good value? (frank) no. did it make them a better team? yes. had the leafs not been lucky with the lottery there'd be literally nothing positive about that trade though.
- daeth



i find matthews the stretch part of the kessel trade. that's really indirect.

we have james greenway and kapenen directly for the trade. andersen and rychel directly from assets we got in the trade.

Not great, but something. The salary retention part of that deal was where we got bent over imo.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: they are going to add the two best players outside the nhl (chabot and white) -spatso
Joined: 03.14.2014

Feb 3 @ 3:05 PM ET
look at the garbage you got for kessel (who's a better player)......
- sensarmy_11


kessel's value was hurt because of his ntc, much like nash to NYR and kesler to Anaheim

sakic has an open market with Duchene. They’ll be plenty of demand to drive up the price




spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Feb 3 @ 5:42 PM ET
kessel's value was hurt because of his ntc, much like nash to NYR and kesler to Anaheim

sakic has an open market with Duchene. They’ll be plenty of demand to drive up the price

- Tumbleweed


I suspect you are right in the idea that there will be enough demand to drive up the price. But I don't think the demand will be nearly as broadly based as some people might think. The announcement that the cap will be unchanged next year starts to become spooky for some teams. There are going to be some very good players available this summer and lots of teams trying to move players. May not be near the push at the trade deadline as projected.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: they are going to add the two best players outside the nhl (chabot and white) -spatso
Joined: 03.14.2014

Feb 3 @ 5:53 PM ET
I suspect you are right in the idea that there will be enough demand to drive up the price. But I don't think the demand will be nearly as broadly based as some people might think. The announcement that the cap will be unchanged next year starts to become spooky for some teams. There are going to be some very good players available this summer and lots of teams trying to move players. May not be near the push at the trade deadline as projected.
- spatso


They are usually at most one or 2 big trades at/close to the tdl.
Maybe pitts moves maf, but hardly big at this point.

Whoever is projecting big movement at the tdl is an idiot. For the most part, it will be same old bunch of tommy wingels moving.

Expansion draft deadline will see some bigger names moved.
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Liljegren tanked to get the Leafs
Joined: 07.14.2011

Feb 4 @ 7:18 AM ET
So you remember things from when you were 1 day old?
- twiztedmike

I've never seen a Canadian team win a cup before.

I moved to Canada in 07 so I've only ever witnessed 5 teams win a cup. All American.

I'm not allowed to count cups I've never witnessed apparently.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 4 @ 9:30 AM ET
I've never seen a Canadian team win a cup before.

I moved to Canada in 07 so I've only ever witnessed 5 teams win a cup. All American.

I'm not allowed to count cups I've never witnessed apparently.

- walshyleafsfan



I've seen many Canadian based teams win Cups, on TV of course, beginning of course with B&W TV in the early 60s.
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Liljegren tanked to get the Leafs
Joined: 07.14.2011

Feb 4 @ 11:17 AM ET
I've seen many Canadian based teams win Cups, on TV of course, beginning of course with B&W TV in the early 60s.
- D0PPELGANGER

I've never seen one. I also wasn't alive for most of the Canadian teams winning a cup. And if you're not alive, you can't count them. Nucks fans taught me that.
penguininnevada
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: i think i need an actual gun pressed between my eyes
Joined: 09.01.2008

Feb 4 @ 11:23 AM ET
penguininnevada
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: i think i need an actual gun pressed between my eyes
Joined: 09.01.2008

Feb 4 @ 11:25 AM ET
i find matthews the stretch part of the kessel trade. that's really indirect.

we have james greenway and kapenen directly for the trade. andersen and rychel directly from assets we got in the trade.

Not great, but something. The salary retention part of that deal was where we got bent over imo.

- Tumbleweed

Nucker101
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: M'OUT
Joined: 09.26.2010

Feb 4 @ 2:14 PM ET
FRANALATIONS
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Feb 4 @ 2:55 PM ET

- penguininnevada


D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 4 @ 3:13 PM ET
ha gay
- twiztedmike



D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 5 @ 9:10 AM ET
Robin Lehner steals the game from his former team .................. should have dealt him to the Western Conference ..........

systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Feb 5 @ 1:07 PM ET
ha gay
- twiztedmike

Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Feb 5 @ 3:37 PM ET
Robin Lehner steals the game from his former team .................. should have dealt him to the Western Conference ..........


- D0PPELGANGER

Looks a lot like the Sabres, after taking an early lead, played more defensively, and jumped on Senators mistakes as the game went on.


Doesn't look like Lehner had much work to do, as the Sens were mainly kept to the perimeter.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Feb 5 @ 11:21 PM ET
Yes, it should have been a win, perhaps not easy, but they carried the play ........... but a brutal giveaway by our third string goaltender handed the point in hand, at the end of the game, to the Panthers.


- D0PPELGANGER



Hmm another game Ottawa was held to the perimeter, and lost.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 6 @ 8:29 AM ET
Looks a lot like the Sabres, after taking an early lead, played more defensively, and jumped on Senators mistakes as the game went on.


Doesn't look like Lehner had much work to do, as the Sens were mainly kept to the perimeter.

- Feeling Glucky?



I watched the game, Lehner had to make a great saves .......... one the best games I've seen him play since he was traded. If he can stay healthy, and keep his temper under control, he'll do well as their starter.

BTW, Eichel is one hell of a player, man can he skate well.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Feb 6 @ 9:13 AM ET
I watched the game, Lehner had to make a great saves .......... one the best games I've seen him play since he was traded. If he can stay healthy, and keep his temper under control, he'll do well as their starter.

BTW, Eichel is one hell of a player, man can he skate well.

- D0PPELGANGER

You're not going to win many games from the perimeter. I'm not saying Lehner didn't make some great saves, but it really doesn't look like he was challenged too much.

Him playing great kind of underscores why Ottawa needed to generate more shots from the danger zones.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 6 @ 9:44 AM ET
You're not going to win many games from the perimeter. I'm not saying Lehner didn't make some great saves, but it really doesn't look like he was challenged too much.

Him playing great kind of underscores why Ottawa needed to generate more shots from the danger zones.

- Feeling Glucky?



They've won 3 fewer games than the division leader, and have played 4 fewer games ....... so they must be doing something right.

Buffalo seemed like the larger team, and their defensive zone game was a result of that. Ottawa could have used Chris Neil on the fore-check, but was a healthy scratch.

Condon also seems to be close to running on empty, after 28 straight appearances ........ at least the warning light's on.

There are some optimistic reports that Anderson might just be ready to play by Saturday, but I think the 14th is a little more realistic.
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