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walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Liljegren tanked to get the Leafs
Joined: 07.14.2011

Jan 24 @ 8:07 AM ET
Check out this gem.
- systemtool

Marner is competing, but not very well.

spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jan 24 @ 8:16 AM ET
I can't imagine what player on the sens the avs might even be interested in. no d beyond Karlsson. and I assume that's what they're looking for.
- prock


White + Dman +
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jan 24 @ 8:21 AM ET
Check out this gem.
- systemtool




What A moron.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jan 24 @ 8:35 AM ET
I can't imagine what player on the sens the avs might even be interested in. no d beyond Karlsson. and I assume that's what they're looking for.
- prock



So are you suggesting that every D man currently on the Avs roster is better than every D man on the Senators roster, with the exception of EK65....... whom you would not take for free if you were the GM of the leafs?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jan 24 @ 8:45 AM ET
At this point Duchesne would be a downgrade for the Leafs....Kadri and Matthews are both better. Unless the Avs want Bozak and Corrado.
- systemtool



Both were Drafted in the same year, Duchene (#3 overall) and Kadri ( #7 overall).

Duchene has played in 164 more NHL games than Kadri, who bounced between the AHL & NHL for a few seasons.

So just wondering why you would would suggest that Kadri (.62 PPG) is better than Duchene (.76 PPG).
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jan 24 @ 9:05 AM ET
Both were Drafted in the same year, Duchene (#3 overall) and Kadri ( #7 overall).

Duchene has played in 164 more NHL games than Kadri, who bounced between the AHL & NHL for a few seasons.

So just wondering why you would would suggest that Kadri (.62 PPG) is better than Duchene (.76 PPG).

- D0PPELGANGER


Not fair to confuse them with facts. They live in an alternate world with alternate facts.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jan 24 @ 9:06 AM ET
White + Dman +
- spatso


and the NHL dman is? you have none that you'd give up, and quite honestly, some of the ones you wouldn't give up (Ceci) they wouldn't even want.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jan 24 @ 9:09 AM ET
So are you suggesting that every D man currently on the Avs roster is better than every D man on the Senators roster, with the exception of EK65....... whom you would not take for free if you were the GM of the leafs?
- D0PPELGANGER


no I'm suggesting that phaneuf carries no value. Methot is too old to use as a chip for the avs. and Ceci is a toss in at most for a 0layer like Duchene. he doesn't count as a central trading piece for Matt Duchene.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jan 24 @ 9:09 AM ET
sens have zach smith at $3.25 for 4 more years.

and the table keeps tipping more towards the leafs

- Tumbleweed


NBC's Pierre McGuire on a great deal for Zack Smith and the Senators
http://www.tsn.ca/radio/o...t-for-both-sides-1.656813
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jan 24 @ 9:10 AM ET
Both were Drafted in the same year, Duchene (#3 overall) and Kadri ( #7 overall).

Duchene has played in 164 more NHL games than Kadri, who bounced between the AHL & NHL for a few seasons.

So just wondering why you would would suggest that Kadri (.62 PPG) is better than Duchene (.76 PPG).

- D0PPELGANGER


I'm talking this season. Right now. Imo Kadri plays a role at both ends of the ice and plays with an edge. He's a great #2. I agree Duchene has been better over their whole careers but Kadri just does more than Duchene imo. Plus we have a few guys with the tools Duchene brings like Marner and Nylander but nobody that brings what Kadri does.


D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jan 24 @ 9:12 AM ET
no I'm suggesting that phaneuf carries no value. Methot is too old to use as a chip for the avs. and Ceci is a toss in at most for a 0layer like Duchene. he doesn't count as a central trading piece for Matt Duchene.
- prock




Just for the record, I don't think Ottawa should trade for Duchene, if it includes a first round pick, White or Chabot.

I don't think this is anything more than a rumour ......... as it is now rumour season as we know.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jan 24 @ 9:12 AM ET
Not fair to confuse them with facts. They live in an alternate world with alternate facts.
- spatso



Like these facts?


We are moving into stage II of a typical blue koolaid summer. Fans are beginning to notice the stories being floated that Marner might not be fit enough or ready for NHL prime time. Leafs are a last place team, they are sort of like a very young Edmonton crew of last year without McDavid.

But Leaf fans are great hockey fans and now that the silly summer chatter is winding down, they are getting around to a more balanced level of hockey discussion. We will see the Stage III early season euphoria when they win a few games at the beginning of the season and the Toronto based media predicts good things for them. But the Stage III crash into despair will come like clockwork in early December. Stage IV acceptance of reality will include some anger and frustration but it is not long lasting. And, come early March, Stage I starts again with a high degree of hopefulness as speculation of the guaranteed Tavares signing gets ramped up and fans discuss the great potential of the impending lottery and draft.

- spatso




Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Keller and Strome could both be better than Tavares. jimmy troller
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jan 24 @ 9:16 AM ET
Check out this gem.
- systemtool


Alternative reality
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jan 24 @ 9:17 AM ET
Alternative reality
- Tumbleweed



Facts
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 24 @ 9:17 AM ET
I'm talking this season. Right now. Imo Kadri plays a role at both ends of the ice and plays with an edge. He's a great #2. I agree Duchene has been better over their whole careers but Kadri just does more than Duchene imo. Plus we have a few guys with the tools Duchene brings like Marner and Nylander but nobody that brings what Kadri does.
- systemtool


then factor in the contract . 6 mil vs 4.5

Kadri is starting to get the respect..his underlying stats always told us he was very good
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jan 24 @ 9:18 AM ET
Not fair to confuse them with facts. They live in an alternate world with alternate facts.
- spatso


Kadri has more points than Duchene this season while playing quite a bit less minutes and PP time. Those are facts. Care to dispute them?
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jan 24 @ 9:18 AM ET
then factor in the contract . 6 mil vs 4.5

Kadri is starting to get the respect..his underlying stats always told us he was very good

- senstroll



Twilight Zone facts.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 24 @ 9:21 AM ET
NBC's Pierre McGuire on a great deal for Zack Smith and the Senators
http://www.tsn.ca/radio/o...t-for-both-sides-1.656813

- D0PPELGANGER


pretty meh deal overall..nothing to care much about

the Sens have had a tendency to jump the gun like this though and sign a player only have them flame out.. Greening, Cowan, Michalek etc.. all became wasted roster spots and cap problems.

My prediction is his contract falls in the that category in the last couple years
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Keller and Strome could both be better than Tavares. jimmy troller
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jan 24 @ 9:23 AM ET
NBC's Pierre McGuire on a great deal for Zack Smith and the Senators
http://www.tsn.ca/radio/o...t-for-both-sides-1.656813

- D0PPELGANGER


$3.25m plug. another example of the sens buying high.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jan 24 @ 9:24 AM ET
Just for the record, I don't think Ottawa should trade for Duchene, if it includes a first round pick, White or Chabot.

I don't think this is anything more than a rumour ......... as it is now rumour season as we know.

- D0PPELGANGER


Duchene did not dress last night. Something is coming. Very unusual to see a Citizen reporter write a speculative column on a possible trade coming. We see it all the time with Garrioch.

I tend to agree the idea that Ottawa should not deal Chabot, White or Brown. But management loves this team and I think they will do something big.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jan 24 @ 9:26 AM ET
Duchene will be dealt.

http://www.ottawasun.com/...alanche-star-matt-duchene

The Sens will make a pitch. The cost will be very steep.

Top prospect, #1 pick and a player

- spatso


Ray Ferraro on this rumour.
http://www.tsn.ca/radio/o...chene-type-trade-1.656412
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jan 24 @ 9:27 AM ET
Duchene will be dealt.

http://www.ottawasun.com/...alanche-star-matt-duchene

The Sens will make a pitch. The cost will be very steep.

Top prospect, #1 pick and a player

- spatso

Doesn't "top prospect" pretty much eliminate the sens?
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Keller and Strome could both be better than Tavares. jimmy troller
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jan 24 @ 9:27 AM ET
no I'm suggesting that phaneuf carries no value. Methot is too old to use as a chip for the avs. and Ceci is a toss in at most for a 0layer like Duchene. he doesn't count as a central trading piece for Matt Duchene.
- prock


i disagree.

phanuef carries negative trade value.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jan 24 @ 9:29 AM ET
Doesn't "top prospect" pretty much eliminate the sens?
- Feeling Glucky?



Did you watch the WJC?

http://www.theglobeandmai...-juniors/article33534819/
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jan 24 @ 9:30 AM ET
Kadri has more points than Duchene this season while playing quite a bit less minutes and PP time. Those are facts. Care to dispute them?
- systemtool


Kari is playing really well and deserves lots of strokes. However, when looking at Colorado you need to take into account the lack of any back end and the inability of the Avs to be able to sustain an offensive game.

Duchene playing behind Turris would be great. But, Ottawa has always coveted Landeskog and that might be the target.
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