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Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 31 @ 2:15 PM ET
I won't be surprised if Ottawa battles for the division this season. I don't think that's even a possibility for the Leafs. Ottawa impressed the hell out of me last year with their depth.
- daeth

I think both teams can battle for a top-3 spot. And as impressive as depth is, it's only really useful for injured teams, so If we're comparing healthy rosters, it doesn't bestow a huge advantage.
senstroll
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 31 @ 2:22 PM ET
I think both teams can battle for a top-3 spot. And as impressive as depth is, it's only really useful for injured teams, so If we're comparing healthy rosters, it doesn't bestow a huge advantage.
- Feeling Glucky?


i think the leafs miss the playoffs. Unless one the the Goalies at least duplicates Reimers stats from last season
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Jul 31 @ 2:37 PM ET
i think the leafs miss the playoffs. Unless one the the Goalies at least duplicates Reimers stats from last season
- senstroll

There's a good chance of that.
senstroll
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 31 @ 3:17 PM ET
There's a good chance of that.
- RogerRoeper


I hope so.

The other part that has me worried is an 82 game season and the weak advanced stats the leafs show, which were not helped by the addition and subtractions they have made.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Aug 1 @ 6:39 AM ET
I think both teams can battle for a top-3 spot. And as impressive as depth is, it's only really useful for injured teams, so If we're comparing healthy rosters, it doesn't bestow a huge advantage.
- Feeling Glucky?


Rob Vollman (Hockey Abstract) does his annual statistical projections on teams and this year he has established the Senators as the favorites to win the President's trophy.

http://legrandclub.rds.ca...31468/posts/160513/public

PDF version of book available for download at $12.95. I have not read the book, just the reviews and the french language review is the most detailed.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Aug 1 @ 9:19 AM ET
Rob Vollman (Hockey Abstract) does his annual statistical projections on teams and this year he has established the Senators as the favorites to win the President's trophy.

http://legrandclub.rds.ca...31468/posts/160513/public

PDF version of book available for download at $12.95. I have not read the book, just the reviews and the french language review is the most detailed.

- spatso




I find this very hard to believe.
senstroll
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Aug 1 @ 10:01 AM ET
I hope so.

The other part that has me worried is an 82 game season and the weak advanced stats the leafs show, which were not helped by the addition and subtractions they have made.

- senstroll


just updating this. Based on this report someone posted on clarkson, thats a good sign. this was before Toronto signed him. I know Ottawa was in the mix as well for him. I dont like the 7 years one bit though

http://www.inlouwetrust.c...scoring-2013-ufa-forwards
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Aug 2 @ 7:43 AM ET
I find this very hard to believe.
- Doppleganger


I was surprised as well.

On reflection, I am less enthusiastic about the Ryan trade than a lot of observers. They gave up a lot to get him. I believe Ryan was a better add than Rick Nash. Still think it was crazy for Murray to offer up Zibanejad and Lehner for Nash (the guy who scores lots of pretty goals for the losing team).

I believe Karlsson/Methot will be far and away the best defensive duo in the league and a nightmare for most teams to play against. But, I worry that Spezza may never regain his full form and that Michalek's knees are badly deteriorated. Anderson and Lehner are very strong.

Keep it simple. The best team is usually the team that can put the best six players on the ice at the same time. So, Spezza, Michalek, Ryan, Karlsson, Methot and Anderson are strong on paper...but can they stay healthy.

I am a huge Pageau fan.

Would be content if Murray allowed this to be year three of a three year rebuilding program. I think this team is still a few years away from being as really good as they are to become.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Aug 2 @ 9:04 AM ET
I find this very hard to believe.
- Doppleganger

something we can agree on.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Aug 2 @ 10:24 AM ET
something we can agree on.
- Feeling Glucky?



you'd be surprised with what I agree with you, and others about, I usually comment when I have a different POV on a given issue.

For example I'll bet you did not think were enough unintelligent voters in Ottawa South to keep Dalton's riding in the Red column.
Morris
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Aug 2 @ 11:45 AM ET
I was surprised as well.

On reflection, I am less enthusiastic about the Ryan trade than a lot of observers. They gave up a lot to get him. I believe Ryan was a better add than Rick Nash. Still think it was crazy for Murray to offer up Zibanejad and Lehner for Nash (the guy who scores lots of pretty goals for the losing team).

I believe Karlsson/Methot will be far and away the best defensive duo in the league and a nightmare for most teams to play against. But, I worry that Spezza may never regain his full form and that Michalek's knees are badly deteriorated. Anderson and Lehner are very strong.

Keep it simple. The best team is usually the team that can put the best six players on the ice at the same time. So, Spezza, Michalek, Ryan, Karlsson, Methot and Anderson are strong on paper...but can they stay healthy.

I am a huge Pageau fan.

Would be content if Murray allowed this to be year three of a three year rebuilding program. I think this team is still a few years away from being as really good as they are to become.

- spatso

They'll be a great pairing...I don't necessarily know about far and away the best. I think pairings like Weber-Josi, Chara-Seidenberg and Pietrangelo-Bouwmeester are at least good enough to keep it from being 'far and away'.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Aug 2 @ 3:21 PM ET
They'll be a great pairing...I don't necessarily know about far and away the best. I think pairings like Weber-Josi, Chara-Seidenberg and Pietrangelo-Bouwmeester are at least good enough to keep it from being 'far and away'.
- Morris


Ottawa coveted Methot for a long time. He is huge and plays a big physical game. He is also a very good skater. If Ottawa makes a run at the President's Trophy it will be because Karlsson has an even bigger year than his Norris year.

If Ottawa does make the big run this year Karlsson/Methot will be right at the top of most people's lists of top pairings.
Morris
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Aug 2 @ 3:32 PM ET
Ottawa coveted Methot for a long time. He is huge and plays a big physical game. He is also a very good skater. If Ottawa makes a run at the President's Trophy it will be because Karlsson has an even bigger year than his Norris year.

If Ottawa does make the big run this year Karlsson/Methot will be right at the top of most people's lists of top pairings.

- spatso

Yeah, they're definitely there. I just don't think that any line, pairing, goalie, player, etc. is really that 'far and away' the best in the NHL. Just my opinion.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Sep 9 @ 9:56 AM ET
Ottawa wins rookie tournament, again, hammering the leaf rookies 6 - 2 last night.
senstroll
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Sep 9 @ 11:03 AM ET
Ottawa wins rookie tournament, again, hammering the leaf rookies 6 - 2 last night.
- Doppleganger


didnt watch it...was Rielly playing?
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Sep 9 @ 12:09 PM ET
didnt watch it...was Rielly playing?
- senstroll




Nope no Finn either.

spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 9 @ 12:16 PM ET
didnt watch it...was Rielly playing?
- senstroll


No, they held him out. Did not want him to go against Ottawa (nothing to prove was the comment).
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Sep 9 @ 12:21 PM ET
No, they held him out. Did not want him to go against Ottawa (nothing to prove was the comment).
- spatso




You really have a way of twisting the truth eh! didn't want him going against ottawa? Like they would somehow wreck him?

Just so you know he was also held out of the Pitts game too, it's not just Ottawa. He showed in game one against chi that he was head and shoulders above the competition. He had nothing to prove, so they kept him out. He's headed straight to the big camp, no point messin around with the rookie camp at that point.
senstroll
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Sep 9 @ 12:41 PM ET
No, they held him out. Did not want him to go against Ottawa (nothing to prove was the comment).
- spatso





phew...we dodged a bullet
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 9 @ 12:59 PM ET
You really have a way of twisting the truth eh! didn't want him going against ottawa? Like they would somehow wreck him?

Just so you know he was also held out of the Pitts game too, it's not just Ottawa. He showed in game one against chi that he was head and shoulders above the competition. He had nothing to prove, so they kept him out. He's headed straight to the big camp, no point messin around with the rookie camp at that point.

- burn


Was not my statement entirely correct?

Those were the exact words used in the pre game. Perhaps your too sensitive?
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Sep 9 @ 1:15 PM ET
daeth
Nashville Predators
Location: shambles, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Sep 9 @ 1:40 PM ET

- Doppleganger

I'd cut whoever that was that bailed on the puck for that 3rd goal at the 4:15 mark in that video. So bad

edit:

Trevor Murphy, undrafted.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 9 @ 2:24 PM ET
You really have a way of twisting the truth eh! didn't want him going against ottawa? Like they would somehow wreck him?

Just so you know he was also held out of the Pitts game too, it's not just Ottawa. He showed in game one against chi that he was head and shoulders above the competition. He had nothing to prove, so they kept him out. He's headed straight to the big camp, no point messin around with the rookie camp at that point.

- burn

I know it's spasto, but you might be reading into what he said a bit much there.

burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Sep 9 @ 2:44 PM ET
Was not my statement entirely correct?

Those were the exact words used in the pre game. Perhaps your too sensitive?

- spatso




Entirely correct? No. You made it sound like they kept him out specifically because they were afraid of the sens. The fact he was also held out of the previous game agains the pens shows otherwise.

And no that's not what they said pre game.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 9 @ 11:11 PM ET
Entirely correct? No. You made it sound like they kept him out specifically because they were afraid of the sens. The fact he was also held out of the previous game agains the pens shows otherwise.

And no that's not what they said pre game.

- burn


"Nothing to prove" were the exact words used on the Roger's broadcast.

How can it " sound" like anything. This is written text there is no voice, tone or inflection. The words are there to be read for what they say. Perhaps the sound you hear is a tone or inflection that is being created within your own head.
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