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senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Nov 29 @ 9:46 AM ET
Let me ask you this then.....The leafs traded away Scott Harrington (younger) and a pick, to acquire Kerby Rychel (older) ........... was it to "win now"?

The leafs traded away two picks, a first rounder & a second rounder, to acquire Frederik Andersen (older) and are now overpaying him (for five seasons) ........... was it to "win now"?

- D0PPELGANGER



Yes...the tanking is over, they are looking to start winning games

that was the point of accumulating 12+ draft picks so you can move some when you need to. They also still have 10 in 2017 and 2018
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Nov 29 @ 11:43 AM ET
Yes...the tanking is over, they are looking to start winning games

that was the point of accumulating 12+ draft picks so you can move some when you need to. They also still have 10 in 2017 and 2018

- senstroll



I get it.

So when the Senators trade away a pick or prospect .... It's "bad" becasue "the owner is cheap" or they received "an older player in return"............. but when the leaf do it, it's okay.


When the Senators had not signed impending UFA Ryan, he was going to Philadelphia because the Senators "were too cheap" ............ but when they did sign him " they are overpaying him" ........ but when the leafs overpay Andersen, it's okay, because "goaltenders are weird".


You leaf fans can't have it both ways.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 29 @ 11:48 AM ET

When the Senators had not signed impending UFA Ryan, he was going to Philadelphia because the Senators "were too cheap" ............ but when they did sign him " they are overpaying him" ........ but when the leafs overpay Andersen, it's okay, because "goaltenders are weird".


You leaf fans can't have it both ways.

- D0PPELGANGER


they never should have traded for Bobby Ryan in the first place. It was a youth for vet trade for a team not ready to contend. It's already biting them in the ass, as the pieces they traded for Bobby Ryan, are better than Bobby Ryan, and cheaper. Next, yes, they were in a lose-lose situation, because he was a player towards the end of his prime, for a team many years away from being a top team, demanding a salary he's not worth. Yes, it's true, I thought he'd walk. Either way, the minute they traded for him, they cemented a notch in the loss column, because overpaying him, or letting him walk, both were bad endings for the Sens.

The Bobby Ryan trade is a textbook stupid move for a team that is supposed to be early/middle rebuilding.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Nov 29 @ 12:21 PM ET
I get it.

So when the Senators trade away a pick or prospect .... It's "bad" becasue "the owner is cheap" or they received "an older player in return"............. but when the leaf do it, it's okay.


When the Senators had not signed impending UFA Ryan, he was going to Philadelphia because the Senators "were too cheap" ............ but when they did sign him " they are overpaying him" ........ but when the leafs overpay Andersen, it's okay, because "goaltenders are weird".


You leaf fans can't have it both ways.

- D0PPELGANGER

Ignoring context doesn't make your arguments look any better.

You yourself said the trades were meant to save money, and weren't done with the intention of winning.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 29 @ 12:38 PM ET
Yes...the tanking is over, they are looking to start winning games

that was the point of accumulating 12+ draft picks so you can move some when you need to. They also still have 10 in 2017 and 2018

- senstroll



that's the other thing - The Leafs have a few top/elite young players now on the team. They have a STOCKED system, and still have a boatload of picks to work with.

when the Sens traded for Bobby Ryan, they had none of that.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Nov 29 @ 1:55 PM ET
that's the other thing - The Leafs have a few top/elite young players now on the team. They have a STOCKED system, and still have a boatload of picks to work with.

when the Sens traded for Bobby Ryan, they had none of that.

- prock



Not that I accept your interpretation of how the Senators have built their team , they, the Senators, continue to be the better of the two teams in Ontario, and have been for more than the last 10 seasons............and a quick look at the overall standings will show you that.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 29 @ 2:05 PM ET
Not that I accept your interpretation of how the Senators have built their team , they, the Senators, continue to be the better of the two teams in Ontario, and have been for more than the last 10 seasons............and a quick look at the overall standings will show you that.
- D0PPELGANGER


I really don't give a shyt - neither has been a contender in that time, so who cares?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Nov 29 @ 2:30 PM ET
I really don't give a shyt - neither has been a contender in that time, so who cares?
- prock



So the Sens were not Contenders in 2007?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 29 @ 2:51 PM ET
So the Sens were not Contenders in 2007?
- D0PPELGANGER



Not really, no.

And they've been nowhere remotely close since.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Nov 29 @ 4:02 PM ET
Sens straw house record looking like it’s getting ready to fall apart come December.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 29 @ 4:03 PM ET
Sens straw house record looking like it’s getting ready to fall apart come December.
- Tumbleweed



yup.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Nov 29 @ 7:26 PM ET
Let me ask you this then.....The leafs traded away Scott Harrington (younger) and a pick, to acquire Kerby Rychel (older) ........... was it to "win now"?

The leafs traded away two picks, a first rounder & a second rounder, to acquire Frederik Andersen (older) and are now overpaying him (for five seasons) ........... was it to "win now"?

- D0PPELGANGER


Unfortunately for you this effort is wasted. Leafs drafted 1st overall when these moves were made. So you'd have to be quite an ass hat to suggest the team picking 1st overall isn't rebuilding. You're not an ass hat. Are you? I'll just assume your post was a typo and you're not a (frank)ing idiot.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Nov 29 @ 11:41 PM ET
yup.
- prock


And the decline begins
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 30 @ 7:59 AM ET
And the decline begins
- Tumbleweed


Well its just one game. but yes, things get a little tougher from here.



D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Nov 30 @ 8:40 AM ET
Not really, no.

And they've been nowhere remotely close since.

- prock


So a team, that makes it all the way to the Stanley Cup Finals, is not really a "contender", in your mind.......... am I correct?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 30 @ 8:50 AM ET
So a team, that makes it all the way to the Stanley Cup Finals, is not really a "contender", in your mind.......... am I correct?
- D0PPELGANGER


a team that had a little luck to get there, stood no chance on winning, and got totally embarrassed and steamroller?

nope.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Nov 30 @ 9:40 AM ET
a team that had a little luck to get there, stood no chance on winning, and got totally embarrassed and steamroller?

nope.

- prock



So let me guess, the only team in NHL history to get to the Stanley Cup Finals with "a little luck" were the Senators........ in your assessment, right?
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Nov 30 @ 10:08 AM ET
Well its just one game. but yes, things get a little tougher from here.
- prock


That and sounds like it'll be the hamburger and condom show


This isn't set to go well for them.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 30 @ 10:43 AM ET
So let me guess, the only team in NHL history to get to the Stanley Cup Finals with "a little luck" were the Senators........ in your assessment, right?
- D0PPELGANGER



Nope, there have been a few that got there, and probably didn't belong.

Buffalo was just as lucky to be in the conference finals that year. Basically, the west had won it by the time the conference finals started.

The Sens were pretty lucky to get by even them though.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Dec 1 @ 4:06 AM ET
Nope, there have been a few that got there, and probably didn't belong.

Buffalo was just as lucky to be in the conference finals that year. Basically, the west had won it by the time the conference finals started.

The Sens were pretty lucky to get by even them though.

- prock


Most people don't ever remember the Leafs ever getting to a final. Jesus! If your younger than 50 you have not been alive for the Leafs being Stanley Cup finalists.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Dec 1 @ 7:59 AM ET
Most people don't ever remember the Leafs ever getting to a final. Jesus! If your younger than 50 you have not been alive for the Leafs being Stanley Cup finalists.
- spatso


did you hang a banner for that? a nice second place banner to go along with all those ones made 20 years ago for a different team that won almost 100 years ago?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 1 @ 9:23 AM ET
did you hang a banner for that? a nice second place banner to go along with all those ones made 20 years ago for a different team that won almost 100 years ago?
- prock



Pretty much All NHL teams hang banners for Division Titles, President Trophies, Conference Champions etc


















Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 966 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Dec 1 @ 10:00 AM ET
Hanging division championship banners is such a Washington Capitals thing to do.

losers

walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Liljegren tanked to get the Leafs
Joined: 07.14.2011

Dec 1 @ 1:42 PM ET
Most people don't ever remember the Leafs ever getting to a final. Jesus! If your younger than 50 you have not been alive for the Leafs being Stanley Cup finalists.
- spatso

I wasn't alive for either of the World Wars, but I sure as poop ain't gonna pretend it didn't happen or mean anything.
golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Dec 1 @ 2:59 PM ET
I wasn't alive for either of the World Wars, but I sure as poop ain't gonna pretend it didn't happen or mean anything.
- walshyleafsfan

It's quite meaningful, just like the RedBlacks Grey Cup win.
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