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prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 12 @ 4:54 PM ET
He's just rattled.
- systemtool



The funny thing is, many have been yapping "yeah, you'll just end up like Edmonton" until recently.
TheCat29
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 02.23.2012

Nov 12 @ 7:38 PM ET
Pastrnak - Jagr 2.0
- Cape Breton Bruins

spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Nov 13 @ 4:06 AM ET
The funny thing is, many have been yapping "yeah, you'll just end up like Edmonton" until recently.
- prock


I suspect all that means is the fan base gets ahead of the development curve and presses prematurely for better team results.

Other than for the screw up on Laine the Leafs are making great moves. But, it is not helpful when the Hockey News and other Toronto based voices insist the Leafs are playoff ready.it takes time before it gets better.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Nov 13 @ 7:18 AM ET
But, I would still argue that Matthews was the right pick for the Leafs. Every team needs a #1 centre, a horse that can control play down the middle. Matthews does this for Leafs.
- spatso


Derp.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Nov 13 @ 7:19 AM ET


Other than for the screw up on Laine the Leafs are making great moves..

- spatso



Derp
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Nov 13 @ 8:06 AM ET
I suspect all that means is the fan base gets ahead of the development curve and presses prematurely for better team results.

Other than for the screw up on Laine the Leafs are making great moves. But, it is not helpful when the Hockey News and other Toronto based voices insist the Leafs are playoff ready.it takes time before it gets better.

- spatso



prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 13 @ 9:51 AM ET
I suspect all that means is the fan base gets ahead of the development curve and presses prematurely for better team results.

Other than for the screw up on Laine the Leafs are making great moves. But, it is not helpful when the Hockey News and other Toronto based voices insist the Leafs are playoff ready.it takes time before it gets better.

- spatso


lots of great moves. like dumping phaneuf.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Nov 13 @ 11:48 AM ET
lots of great moves. like dumping phaneuf.
- prock


Last year Ottawa had a GA average of 2.94, 26th best in NHL. So far this year they are 2.34, 8th best overall. Phaneuf has been a tremendous asset for Ottawa. Playing behind Karlsson on the second pairing, Phaneuf has been a key factor in the overall improvement. He has been great for Ottawa so far.

The Leafs have gone from 2.93 GA last year (24th) to 3.60 (28th) this year. They are missing something! Do you not think the Leafs would benefit from having a veteran presence on their back end?
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I genuinely think the IQ level is alot lower there than here, so I get to win more arguments. Walshy
Joined: 07.14.2011

Nov 13 @ 11:54 AM ET
It's gonna be hilarious to hear all the excuses from leaf fans when the team doesn't end up being the dynasty that most fans are expecting it to be.
- sensarmy_11

Dynasty? Where the (frank) did you hear that?
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I genuinely think the IQ level is alot lower there than here, so I get to win more arguments. Walshy
Joined: 07.14.2011

Nov 13 @ 11:55 AM ET
I suspect all that means is the fan base gets ahead of the development curve and presses prematurely for better team results.

Other than for the screw up on Laine the Leafs are making great moves. But, it is not helpful when the Hockey News and other Toronto based voices insist the Leafs are playoff ready.it takes time before it gets better.

- spatso

You keep changing your mind on Laine vs Matthews. It's confusing
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I genuinely think the IQ level is alot lower there than here, so I get to win more arguments. Walshy
Joined: 07.14.2011

Nov 13 @ 11:57 AM ET
Last year Ottawa had a GA average of 2.94, 26th best in NHL. So far this year they are 2.34, 8th best overall. Phaneuf has been a tremendous asset for Ottawa. Playing behind Karlsson on the second pairing, Phaneuf has been a key factor in the overall improvement. He has been great for Ottawa so far.

The Leafs have gone from 2.93 GA last year (24th) to 3.60 (28th) this year. They are missing something! Do you not think the Leafs would benefit from having a veteran presence on their back end?

- spatso

Absolutely. Just not a poop one like Dion. You know, the same Dion all Sens fans ridiculed for being a terrible player.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Nov 13 @ 1:04 PM ET
You keep changing your mind on Laine vs Matthews. It's confusing
- walshyleafsfan


Do you already forget. My issue was not against Matthews. I still think he is a good pick. My issue was that nobody was prepared to discuss the draft. There is nothing worse than a closed mind. Both the fans and, more important, Leaf management refused to consider a change to Laine. He was spectacular at the World Juniors, in the Finnish playoffs and at the World Championships.

Somebody may have screwed up. It is unfortunate.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Nov 13 @ 1:09 PM ET
Absolutely. Just not a poop one like Dion. You know, the same Dion all Sens fans ridiculed for being a terrible player.
- walshyleafsfan


Dion is the kind of player other teams and fans seem to hate. He has been very good for Ottawa. Karlsson is playing the best hockey of his career and Dion has clearly taken a lot of the weight from his shoulders.

Everybody on both sides of the trade appear to be happy. Perhaps it was just a good hockey trade for everyone.
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I genuinely think the IQ level is alot lower there than here, so I get to win more arguments. Walshy
Joined: 07.14.2011

Nov 13 @ 2:40 PM ET
Do you already forget. My issue was not against Matthews. I still think he is a good pick. My issue was that nobody was prepared to discuss the draft. There is nothing worse than a closed mind. Both the fans and, more important, Leaf management refused to consider a change to Laine. He was spectacular at the World Juniors, in the Finnish playoffs and at the World Championships.

Somebody may have screwed up. It is unfortunate.

- spatso

This doesn't make any sense. You think Matthews is the right pick, but your issue is no one spoke about Laine.

I can tell you on good authority, the Leafs management spoke about Laine a lot. Had in depth discussions about him at the highest level. They decided to go Matthews though. Does that solve your issue?
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I genuinely think the IQ level is alot lower there than here, so I get to win more arguments. Walshy
Joined: 07.14.2011

Nov 13 @ 2:42 PM ET
But, I would still argue that Matthews was the right pick for the Leafs. Every team needs a #1 centre, a horse that can control play down the middle. Matthews does this for Leafs. Winnipeg already has their #1 horse with Schiefle who is leading the league in scoring. And, Laine already has the right fit in the middle in Winnipeg.
- spatso



I suspect all that means is the fan base gets ahead of the development curve and presses prematurely for better team results.

Other than for the screw up on Laine the Leafs are making great moves. But, it is not helpful when the Hockey News and other Toronto based voices insist the Leafs are playoff ready.it takes time before it gets better.

- spatso


I still don't understand your position.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Nov 13 @ 3:01 PM ET
I still don't understand your position.
- walshyleafsfan


Every year we debate the draft. It is a fun time. Tyler or Taylor, as strange as it sounds now we even speculated that Eichle might be better than McDavid. It was good fun and everyone gets to better understand all the prospects.

I thought Matthews was the tight pick for the Leafs because he was a center. But as Laine started taking over the stage, especially the World Championships, I was certain that he should be ar least considered. I thought it was strange when all the Leaf fans and media piled on and said it was non negotiable, not even up for discussion.

Now, I think, maybe everybody has messed up. Laine is the best pure scorer to come into the league since Stamkos, he might even be better. It is sad we never got a chance to debate it before the draft.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Nov 13 @ 3:03 PM ET
This doesn't make any sense. You think Matthews is the right pick, but your issue is no one spoke about Laine.

I can tell you on good authority, the Leafs management spoke about Laine a lot. Had in depth discussions about him at the highest level. They decided to go Matthews though. Does that solve your issue?

- walshyleafsfan


Not really. Because everybody shut down discussion...nobody has been asked and more important, nobody has explained why .
Nucker101
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All right everyone, listen up
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 13 @ 3:04 PM ET
Every year we debate the draft. It is a fun time. Tyler or Taylor, as strange as it sounds now we even speculated that Eichle might be better than McDavid. It was good fun and everyone gets to better understand all the prospects.

I thought Matthews was the tight pick for the Leafs because he was a center. But as Laine started taking over the stage, especially the World Championships, I was certain that he should be ar least considered. I thought it was strange when all the Leaf fans and media piled on and said it was non negotiable, not even up for discussion.

Now, I think, maybe everybody has messed up. Laine is the best pure scorer to come into the league since Stamkos, he might even be better. It is sad we never got a chance to debate it before the draft.

- spatso

mmmm i bet he's nice and tight
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: every day, once a day, give yourself a present, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Nov 13 @ 3:16 PM ET
17 goals on 253 shots in Finland last year, 11 goals on 46 shots this year. He's just that good. Expect him to bump his shooting % up to 30% as he learns the NHL game even more. Best goal scorer of all-time.
Nucker101
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All right everyone, listen up
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 13 @ 3:18 PM ET
17 goals on 253 shots in Finland last year, 11 goals on 46 shots this year. He's just that good. Expect him to bump his shooting % up to 30% as he learns the NHL game even more. Best goal scorer of all-time.
- daeth


that's pretty shocking, that's a really bad shooting percentage
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I genuinely think the IQ level is alot lower there than here, so I get to win more arguments. Walshy
Joined: 07.14.2011

Nov 13 @ 3:20 PM ET
Every year we debate the draft. It is a fun time. Tyler or Taylor, as strange as it sounds now we even speculated that Eichle might be better than McDavid. It was good fun and everyone gets to better understand all the prospects.

I thought Matthews was the tight pick for the Leafs because he was a center. But as Laine started taking over the stage, especially the World Championships, I was certain that he should be ar least considered. I thought it was strange when all the Leaf fans and media piled on and said it was non negotiable, not even up for discussion.

Now, I think, maybe everybody has messed up. Laine is the best pure scorer to come into the league since Stamkos, he might even be better. It is sad we never got a chance to debate it before the draft.

- spatso


There's no correlation between fans/media and the Leafs management team made up of Shanahan, Lou, Kyle and Mike.

Fans/media didn't discuss a Phaneuf trade to Ottawa either, and then boom, Dion was moved.

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