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prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 28 @ 8:26 AM ET
Oh and false.

Nobody wants sens tickets.

- Tumbleweed


They're would probably send them on a bus trip to Toronto prior to sending then to the tire fire sens.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 28 @ 8:26 AM ET
Oh and false.

Nobody wants sens tickets.

- Tumbleweed


They're would probably send them on a bus trip to Toronto prior to sending then to the tire fire sens.2
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 28 @ 8:35 AM ET
Duh!

Has nothing to do with it.

Companies cannot deduct the cost of hockey tickets from taxes. Companies cannot deduct charitable gifts.

It is a legitimate promotional expense in most instances even when tickets are donated to a charity.

The beginning of this had to do with the reference to suits as being the beneficiary of the hockey tickets at the ACC. That used to be the case years ago. Company A would buy hockey tickets and give them to the guys at Company B. Company B had tickets and gave them to A. That was the suit scandal that Revenue Canada shut down.

- spatso



Are you really this stupid?

Both tickets and charitable donations are fully expenses that lower profit.

And if you think tickets are not handed out among clients literally every day, youre insane. As someone who consults in the investment industry I assure you they are everywhere. About 2 years tars ago they tried to cap it. At 1800 dollars a year. And that is just the investment industry.

Outside the investment industry I see tickets being shared left right and centre.

Maybe it's just a pathetic loser like you that doesn't go to games that doesn't see it.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 28 @ 8:57 AM ET
Then how do you explain this?

http://blog.tiqiq.com/201...erage-ticket-prices-team/

- D0PPELGANGER



Learn to read you (frank)ing dolt. It very clearly states "on the secondary market".

So when you say that ticket prices are impacted by player salaries because the leafs pass that expense on to the fans, and then reference scalper prices, it makes you a special kind of stupid.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Oct 28 @ 9:02 AM ET
Learn to read you (frank)ing dolt. It very clearly states "on the secondary market".

So when you say that ticket prices are impacted by player salaries because the leafs pass that expense on to the fans, and then reference scalper prices, it makes you a special kind of stupid.

- prock



Yeah, I did a little investigation and figured that must be it....... and just edited my post to reflect that.

But thanks anyways, you're always so helpful.




On the other point, I know an informed guy like you does understand that the NHL for decades, has been a "gate driven" AKA ticket sales league, in terms of their revenues.

Ticket sales account for approximately 50% of their total revenues, so the revenues and expenses incurred in running a NHL franchise does have a direct impact on the player salaries. You may choose to think otherwise, but it's a fact of life in the NHL.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 28 @ 9:07 AM ET
Yeah, I did a little investigation and figured that must be it....... and just edited my post to reflect that.

But thanks anyways, you're always so helpful.

- D0PPELGANGER


Do I need to explain to you how scalpers don't pass the price of tickets on to hockey fans?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 28 @ 9:09 AM ET
Yeah, I did a little investigation and figured that must be it....... and just edited my post to reflect that.

But thanks anyways, you're always so helpful.




On the other point, I know an informed guy like you does understand that the NHL for decades, has been a "gate driven" AKA ticket sales league, in terms of their revenues.

Ticket sales account for approximately 50% of their total revenues, so the revenues and expenses incurred in running a NHL franchise does have a direct impact on the player salaries. You may choose to think otherwise, but it's a fact of life in the NHL.

- D0PPELGANGER


Gate driven does not in any way imply that ticket prices are set according to expenses, you idiot.

It's merely a statement on where the majority of revenue for the league comes from.

I don't get it. How can anybody think that in a free market, a supplier is just looking at expenses, adding a few dollars and calling it a day? Do you not understand how stupid the poop you're saying is? Maybe you should just stop, go back a few pages, and read what you've said.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Xizord : I am Eklund
Joined: 03.14.2014

Oct 28 @ 9:15 AM ET
I have a cold and when I lay down the coughing is.heavy. So, I sat up. Wrote a short presentation I have to make next week. Hate being sick.
- spatso


Rattled
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Oct 28 @ 9:21 AM ET
Gate driven does not in any way imply that ticket prices are set according to expenses, you idiot.
- prock



Well most teams in the NHL do set their ticket prices, as you pointed out earlier, at a price point that their "market" will bear, in order to maximize their single largest source of revenue.

Each market is different and have unique challenges in some cases. You have already clearly explained how toronto can tap into the corporate business expense revenue stream that is unique to their market ( in Canada) which is clearly not the case in Ottawa, where the single largest Employer in the Ottawa/Gatineau region is the Public service, which does NOT allow the "business expense writing off" of tickets to pro sports events.

.

systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Oct 28 @ 9:28 AM ET


He's at church

- walshyleafsfan


That was epic. Trolling sports fans while in church.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 28 @ 9:32 AM ET
Well most teams in the NHL do set their ticket prices, as you pointed out earlier, at a price point that their "market" will bear, in order to maximize their single largest source of revenue.

Each market is different and have unique challenges in some cases. You have already clearly explained how toronto can tap into the corporate business expense revenue stream that is unique to their market ( in Canada) which is clearly not the case in Ottawa, where the single largest Employer in the Ottawa/Gatineau region is the Public service, which does NOT allow the "business expense writing off" of tickets to pro sports events.

.

- D0PPELGANGER


I feel like there is a break through going on here. You seem to be learning your first lessons on supply and demand.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Xizord : I am Eklund
Joined: 03.14.2014

Oct 28 @ 9:43 AM ET
Oh my. You are one of the weaker posters. We do appreciate your effort and hope you will stay around until December when the commentary becomes more serious.
- spatso



systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Oct 28 @ 9:45 AM ET
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D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Oct 28 @ 9:49 AM ET
I feel like there is a break through going on here. You seem to be learning your first lessons on supply and demand.
- prock



The breakthrough might be on your part, as for years you've been unfairly comparing the two Ontario NHL markets , and of course expecting the same results and outcomes from two completely different markets.

If you'd been paying a little more attention over the years we've been exchanging pleasantries, you might have learned a thing or two. But time and time again you've missed some of the points I've made.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 28 @ 9:52 AM ET
The breakthrough might be on your part, as for years you've been unfairly comparing the two Ontario NHL markets , and of course expecting the same results and outcomes from two completely different markets.

If you'd been paying a little more attention over the years we've been exchanging pleasantries, you might have learned a thing or two. But time and time again you've missed some of the points I've made.

- D0PPELGANGER



Hahahahahahahahhahaha.

This makes me so happy. Now it's unfair to compare the teams. I'm literally dying of laughter romantic your comment. Nown that it's so blatantly clear the sens are a crap organization it's suddenly unfair to you.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Oct 28 @ 10:10 AM ET
Hahahahahahahahhahaha.

This makes me so happy. Now it's unfair to compare the teams. I'm literally dying of laughter romantic your comment. Nown that it's so blatantly clear the sens are a crap organization it's suddenly unfair to you.

- prock



Well, with the Senators clearly being the Superior team, on the ice, over the past 10 to 12 years, in Ontario, all leaf fans like you have been doing, is obsessing on who spends the most money, as if that is anyway a measure of how a team performs on the ice.

The leafs have out spent most teams in the league for the past 10 to 12 years, and have made the playoffs once.

prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 28 @ 10:17 AM ET
Well, with the Senators clearly being the Superior team, on the ice, over the past 10 to 12 years, in Ontario, all leaf fans like you have been doing, is obsessing on who spends the most money, as if that is anyway a measure of how a team performs on the ice.

The leafs have out spent most teams in the league for the past 10 to 12 years, and have made the playoffs once.

- D0PPELGANGER



You must be delighted with the first round exits you perennially witnessed. Those first round exits must have just been music to your ears. I'm glad youremail so happy with that, because your garbage organization will probably never do better.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Oct 28 @ 11:56 AM ET
Are you really this stupid?

Both tickets and charitable donations are fully expenses that lower profit.

And if you think tickets are not handed out among clients literally every day, youre insane. As someone who consults in the investment industry I assure you they are everywhere. About 2 years tars ago they tried to cap it. At 1800 dollars a year. And that is just the investment industry.

Outside the investment industry I see tickets being shared left right and centre.

Maybe it's just a pathetic loser like you that doesn't go to games that doesn't see it.

- prock


Not really. Tickets are merely a promotional device, not unlike radio or yellow page promotional expenses. You will find some small businesses that will fool around with ticket allocations. But any company subject to an annual audit is not going to mess with Revenue Canada guidelines. Language is pretty clear

"With respect to the meals and entertainment expenses, the following costs are disallowed:

costs incurred for use of recreation facilities and club dues
purchase of season tickets for sporting events (unless satisfactory proof is provided that the tickets are a promotional expense)
meals claimed while outside a sales territory or on a vacation
meals taken after a golf game (at the club house)"
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 28 @ 12:24 PM ET
Not really. Tickets are merely a promotional device, not unlike radio or yellow page promotional expenses. You will find some small businesses that will fool around with ticket allocations. But any company subject to an annual audit is not going to mess with Revenue Canada guidelines. Language is pretty clear

"With respect to the meals and entertainment expenses, the following costs are disallowed:

costs incurred for use of recreation facilities and club dues
purchase of season tickets for sporting events (unless satisfactory proof is provided that the tickets are a promotional expense)
meals claimed while outside a sales territory or on a vacation
meals taken after a golf game (at the club house)"

- spatso


Are you still trying to convince me that expenses don't reduce profits? How (frank)ing stupid are you?

Do you really think tickets are not being doled out by companies? Do you really think that?

I'm actually flabbergasted. You really must be the dumbest mother (frank)er on the planet.

Ps it's the CRA. Canada revenue agency. Not revenue Canada. Hasn't been for years.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Xizord : I am Eklund
Joined: 03.14.2014

Oct 28 @ 12:26 PM ET
Not really. Tickets are merely a promotional device, not unlike radio or yellow page promotional expenses. You will find some small businesses that will fool around with ticket allocations. But any company subject to an annual audit is not going to mess with Revenue Canada guidelines. Language is pretty clear

"With respect to the meals and entertainment expenses, the following costs are disallowed:

costs incurred for use of recreation facilities and club dues
purchase of season tickets for sporting events (unless satisfactory proof is provided that the tickets are a promotional expense)
meals claimed while outside a sales territory or on a vacation
meals taken after a golf game (at the club house)"

- spatso



Tries to argue tickets aren’t tax deductible

Provides evidence that they are


You’re a real piece of work

prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 28 @ 12:29 PM ET
Hey. Remember that time spazzo tried to convince us expenses don't impact profit? Yeah.

Remember that time he tried to tell us Patrick laine was better than auston Matthews? Yeah.

Remember that time he thought the Senators were not a (frank)ing joke? Lol.

He truly has claimed the title as the biggest moron on the planet.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 28 @ 12:29 PM ET
Tries to argue tickets aren’t tax deductible

Provides evidence that they are


You’re a real piece of work

- Tumbleweed



Simply reading what he writes makes us less intelligent. He is completely retarded.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Xizord : I am Eklund
Joined: 03.14.2014

Oct 28 @ 12:30 PM ET
Not really. Tickets are merely a promotional device, not unlike radio or yellow page promotional expenses. You will find some small businesses that will fool around with ticket allocations. But any company subject to an annual audit is not going to mess with Revenue Canada guidelines. Language is pretty clear

"With respect to the meals and entertainment expenses, the following costs are disallowed:

costs incurred for use of recreation facilities and club dues
purchase of season tickets for sporting events (unless satisfactory proof is provided that the tickets are a promotional expense)
meals claimed while outside a sales territory or on a vacation
meals taken after a golf game (at the club house)"

- spatso



spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Oct 28 @ 12:38 PM ET
Are you still trying to convince me that expenses don't reduce profits? How (frank)ing stupid are you?

Do you really think tickets are not being doled out by companies? Do you really think that?

I'm actually flabbergasted. You really must be the dumbest mother (frank)er on the planet.

Ps it's the CRA. Canada revenue agency. Not revenue Canada. Hasn't been for years.

- prock



I am very familiar with ticket practices. Most companies maintain a log with supporting documents to clearly demonstrate that each ticket was used on a promotional basis. They impose guidelines on how employees may be able to attend an event. Where tickets are not used in a promotional manner that can be expensed as a donation if offered over to a registered charity. I run a registered charity and I have a pretty strong grasp on how hockey tickets can be used as they are really useful when used as part of a fund raising initiative.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Xizord : I am Eklund
Joined: 03.14.2014

Oct 28 @ 12:40 PM ET
I am very familiar with ticket practices. Most companies maintain a log with supporting documents to clearly demonstrate that each ticket was used on a promotional basis. They impose guidelines on how employees may be able to attend an event. Where tickets are not used in a promotional manner that can be expensed as a donation if offered over to a registered charity. I run a registered charity and I have a pretty strong grasp on how hockey tickets can be used as they are really useful when used as part of a fund raising initiative.
- spatso


Do you claim a loss for your charity when someone donates sens tickets?
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