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Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: tenav for drouin. lol @ canucks
Joined: 03.14.2014

Oct 26 @ 12:59 PM ET

- D0PPELGANGER


D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Oct 26 @ 1:02 PM ET

- twiztedmike


Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: tenav for drouin. lol @ canucks
Joined: 03.14.2014

Oct 26 @ 1:06 PM ET

- D0PPELGANGER


prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 26 @ 1:09 PM ET
Just a few years ago he was a scorned Olympian.
- golfingsince



I don't recall a single Leaf fan saying he should be on the Olympic team.

But I can name a player that some members of a fanbase DID talk about being on an Olympic team. Frankie Corrado.

Now THAT is the kind of idiocy that is unique to just ONE fanbase.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 26 @ 1:14 PM ET
On the other hand, Ottawa got rid of a lot of "scrap" from their roster in that trade
- D0PPELGANGER



the Leafs got rid of 5 1/2 years of scrap.

at the cost of acquiring a player, who is currently taking a regular shift for the Senators.......
- D0PPELGANGER



yes, taking a regular shift, at the sort of caliber that should be the Binghamton Senators.

and it freed up the money required to sign Hoffman...... so the leafs got what they wanted, and so did the Sens.


- D0PPELGANGER


and consumes a huge portion of the Sens cap for many years going forward, making it harder to sign players better than Hoffman. And players better than Hoffman are certainly needed for the Sens to ever be considered a contender.


BTW, if you googled "worst NHL contracts" today, would Toskala....I mean... Andersen now show up on that list?

- D0PPELGANGER



Probably not yet. But Marc Methot, Bobby Ryan, and Phaneuf will definitely all be there.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 26 @ 1:19 PM ET
Vancouver might be the only team in a worse situation then the sens
- Tumbleweed



They are very likely the two worst messes of organizations in the NHL right now. It's comical. I think the Canucks might even be worse than the Sens. It's honestly amazing. They gave up the second most shots last year, and scored the second least goals, in the entire NHL. They weren't second last in goals thanks to their goalie.

But when you factor in that their two leading scorers and their goalie are all 36 years old and near retirement, and that their youth is mostly garbage, you know you have a total mess in the making.

They didn't have a single player under the age of 36 score more than 40 points. That's hilarious.

They honestly have about a decade of rebuilding before they can make the playoffs again.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Oct 26 @ 1:54 PM ET


yes, taking a regular shift, at the sort of caliber that should be the Binghamton Senators.- prock


New Coach, new system ........... if Phaneuf was not up to playing on the 2nd pairing, he'd be moved down. Boucher is back in the NHL, and is going to play the players, in roles, that is going to keep him employed in the NHL.


and consumes a huge portion of the Sens cap for many years going forward, making it harder to sign players better than Hoffman. And players better than Hoffman are certainly needed for the Sens to ever be considered a contender.-prock



The Senators have more Cap space than most teams in the NHL, and will have enough space going forward for anything they need to do .......... you spend too much energy worrying about Cap Space, that's a traditional leaf problem, not a Senator problem ......... other teams have figured out ways to get out of cap problems, so if it ever happens in Ottawa, they will be able too as well......



Probably not yet. But Marc Methot, Bobby Ryan, and Phaneuf will definitely all be there.
- prock



He (FA) soon will be, we're hearing the rumblings already from leaf land. Methot's Cap hit is reasonable, for a first pairing D man, who more than likely will be selected by the LV expansion team..... but if not, no worries.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 26 @ 2:12 PM ET
New Coach, new system ........... if Phaneuf was not up to playing on the 2nd pairing, he'd be moved down. Boucher is back in the NHL, and is going to play the players, in roles, that is going to keep him employed in the NHL.

- D0PPELGANGER


If he wasn't up to playing on the second pairing, he'd be moved down..... for what? Other players that are not up to playing on the second pairing?

Phaneuf and Ceci have the worst numbers of any pairing in the entire NHL so far, you're burying you're head in the sand if you're trying to claim they've been okay.

You realize he was second pairing in Toronto when the Leafs dumped him right?


The Senators have more Cap space than most teams in the NHL, and will have enough space going forward for anything they need to do .......... you spend too much energy worrying about Cap Space, that's a traditional leaf problem, not a Senator problem ......... other teams have figured out ways to get out of cap problems, so if it ever happens in Ottawa, they will be able too as well......

- D0PPELGANGER


Cap/budget, either or. Same poop.


He (FA) soon will be, we're hearing the rumblings already from leaf land. Methot's Cap hit is reasonable, for a first pairing D man, who more than likely will be selected by the LV expansion team..... but if not, no worries.

- D0PPELGANGER



But wait, the new coach, new system crap you spew doesn't apply anymore?
golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Oct 26 @ 3:11 PM ET
I don't recall a single Leaf fan saying he should be on the Olympic team.

But I can name a player that some members of a fanbase DID talk about being on an Olympic team. Frankie Corrado.

Now THAT is the kind of idiocy that is unique to just ONE fanbase.

- prock


Then either your memory is very poor or you were away for several months.

As for the Corrado an olympian, that was Ian Esplen.....nobody else.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 26 @ 4:24 PM ET
Then either your memory is very poor or you were away for several months.

As for the Corrado an olympian, that was Ian Esplen.....nobody else.

- golfingsince



Likely story Skippy.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Oct 26 @ 5:18 PM ET
I thought Ceci and Phaneuf were fine last night. Really solid in their own end. It is all about scoreboard and Leaf fans are starting to experience their first disordered anxious mood response now that real hockey is being played. They are struggling to get their head around the Leafs giving up 7 goals last night and collapsing down the stretch in Chicago. They fully understand that Dion would help stabilize their young blue line but they do not want to talk about what has now become painfully obvious.

I believe everything is the way it should be. The Leafs need to grow around youth. I think Phaneuf is well suited to the situation with the Sens. Everything looks very good to me.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: tenav for drouin. lol @ canucks
Joined: 03.14.2014

Oct 26 @ 5:25 PM ET
I thought Ceci and Phaneuf were fine last night. Really solid in their own end. It is all about scoreboard and Leaf fans are starting to experience their first disordered anxious mood response now that real hockey is being played. They are struggling to get their head around the Leafs giving up 7 goals last night and collapsing down the stretch in Chicago. They fully understand that Dion would help stabilize their young blue line but they do not want to talk about what has now become painfully obvious.

I believe everything is the way it should be. The Leafs need to grow around youth. I think Phaneuf is well suited to the situation with the Sens. Everything looks very good to me.

- spatso


Phaneuf = larry murphy
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Oct 26 @ 5:34 PM ET
http://www.nhl.com/stats/leaders
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Oct 26 @ 6:15 PM ET
Phaneuf = larry murphy
- Tumbleweed


I remember Leaf fans booing Larry Murphy out of town.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Oct 26 @ 6:17 PM ET
http://www.nhl.com/stats/leaders
- systemtool


No doubt Matthews has had a nice start and it certainly signals a bright future.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Oct 26 @ 6:19 PM ET
No doubt Matthews has had a nice start and it certainly signals a bright future.
- spatso


Same with Nylander and Marner. I focus on that awesomeness and not the teams record. I didn't expect them to compete this year anyways. It's a growing pains year.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: tenav for drouin. lol @ canucks
Joined: 03.14.2014

Oct 26 @ 6:29 PM ET
I remember Leaf fans booing Larry Murphy out of town.
- spatso


Remember that time the leafs dumped phanuef on Ottawa?

Those were good times.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Oct 26 @ 6:32 PM ET
Remember that time the leafs dumped phanuef on Ottawa?

Those were good times.

- Tumbleweed


Very good times.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Oct 26 @ 7:32 PM ET
Remember that time the leafs dumped phanuef on Ottawa?

Those were good times.

- Tumbleweed



Remember that time the Sens dumped, Greening, Cowen & Michalek on toronto?

Those were good times.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: tenav for drouin. lol @ canucks
Joined: 03.14.2014

Oct 26 @ 7:49 PM ET
Remember that time the Sens dumped, Greening, Cowen & Michalek on toronto?

Those were good times.

- D0PPELGANGER


Enjoy them for 8 more months
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Oct 26 @ 8:47 PM ET
Remember that time the Sens dumped, Greening, Cowen & Michalek on toronto?

Those were good times.

- D0PPELGANGER


Remember when the Leafs dumped them all into the minors and oblivion?

Those were good times.

Remember when the Leafs got a prospect and a 2nd for Phaneuf?

Those were good times.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Oct 26 @ 8:48 PM ET
Enjoy them for 8 more months
- Tumbleweed


Yup. That excuse has an expiry date.

Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: tenav for drouin. lol @ canucks
Joined: 03.14.2014

Oct 26 @ 10:45 PM ET
Remember when the Leafs dumped them all into the minors and oblivion?

Those were good times.

Remember when the Leafs got a prospect and a 2nd for Phaneuf?

Those were good times.

- systemtool

That guy is a fucking idiot

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