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Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Dozzald Brump
Joined: 09.15.2010

Sep 4 @ 10:44 AM ET
Holy poop the leafs fans in here are laughably sensitive
- Crimsoninja


*lip trembles.... cries*
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 4 @ 11:04 AM ET
No.just more of your delusional reality.
- burn



He just keeps stirring up controversial scenarios and comments regarding Matthews and Laine for no reason other than both envy and to cast clouds over leaf fans joy at something they've always wanted and finally got.

He wonders why we don't debate Laine and Matthews more, yet he sees no reason on debating the trades for older players and with big contracts.

His whole act is " The Sens are fine, will continue to be fine, have little issues to worry about, and are ready to contend" so let's just talk about all the negatives and possible disappointemen's about the Leafs.

Apparently we have "no stomach" for Matthews/Laine discussions but the lack of stomach regarding the Sens possible negatives on his part are forbidden from discussion and comments.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: tenav for drouin. lol @ canucks
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 4 @ 1:19 PM ET
I believe they have only made playoffs once over a long period of time. But, unfortunately, sadly, even painfully, the only year they made the playoffs they met Boston in the first round and coughed up an incredible choke.

I have a theory, I believe the Boston choke changed Leaf fans. Leaf fans are knowledgable and passionate about hockey. But after the choke many became highly embittered, deeply wounded by the way the series was lost. It has left a bad taste in their mouth and they just want to win.

I have an example. I think Matthews was the right choice by the Leafs. Yet, I think Laine is probably a more talented force and will likely be the Calder winner. Purely from a hockey perspective this is fascinating stuff. But, Leaf fans have no stomach for the discussion. Perhaps, I am wrong. But, it appears to me that if Laine wins the Calder it will be taken personally, another Leaf loss. Logically, we understand this is really nonsensical. Many top drafted players did not win the Calder.

It is like the Boston series altered the psyche of many Leaf fans. They are not nearly as much fun and incredibly sensitive. A good young team playing competitive hockey should be enough to turn things around. I certainly hope to see some improvement in the Leafs play over last year. But, I also expect they will again be the long term beneficiary of another lottery draft pick.

- spatso



D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Sep 4 @ 2:14 PM ET
He just keeps stirring up controversial scenarios and comments regarding Matthews and Laine for no reason other than both envy and to cast clouds over leaf fans joy at something they've always wanted and finally got.

He wonders why we don't debate Laine and Matthews more, yet he sees no reason on debating the trades for older players and with big contracts.

His whole act is " The Sens are fine, will continue to be fine, have little issues to worry about, and are ready to contend" so let's just talk about all the negatives and possible disappointemen's about the Leafs.

Apparently we have "no stomach" for Matthews/Laine discussions but the lack of stomach regarding the Sens possible negatives on his part are forbidden from discussion and comments.

- systemtool



What are these "possible negatives" that you are predicting for the Senators?

And why do you only focus on a players contract??? Why not the play on the ice? Each team has payroll that has a "floor" and a "ceiling" that they must spend, and if they decide to sign an UFA for X dollars, or trade for a player who makes X dollars, it really does not matter in the end, as the game are played on the ice.

Ottawa, or any team, acquires players that they want on their roster, and get rid of ones they don't. Fans can squabble about how much this gut, or that guy gets paid, but in the end, it's the play on the ice that matters. Is Hoffman going to score twice as many goals now that he's been given a much bigger pay cheque? I doubt it. So then in your world, should he get traded?

I don't understand why you whine about how much YOU would be paying, if you were attending a leaf game.

http://business.financial...fit-from-apple-esque-halo
AustonPowers
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Supreme Manager of the Johnny Boychuk to EDM Thread
Joined: 07.14.2016

Sep 4 @ 3:12 PM ET
*lip trembles.... cries*
- Dozzer

Lock the thread please

Precedence was set when Howard locked the Sens vs Habs one

Don't worry. No one will mind.

This thread is an embarassment to everyone involved. Just trolls trolling trolls. It needs to go. Also, now its on your list of threads and will pop up everyday. Just end it now.

TY

Also, ban everyone who posted in this thread for 1 year except for me (please)
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 4 @ 3:59 PM ET
He just keeps stirring up controversial scenarios and comments regarding Matthews and Laine for no reason other than both envy and to cast clouds over leaf fans joy at something they've always wanted and finally got.

He wonders why we don't debate Laine and Matthews more, yet he sees no reason on debating the trades for older players and with big contracts.

His whole act is " The Sens are fine, will continue to be fine, have little issues to worry about, and are ready to contend" so let's just talk about all the negatives and possible disappointemen's about the Leafs.

Apparently we have "no stomach" for Matthews/Laine discussions but the lack of stomach regarding the Sens possible negatives on his part are forbidden from discussion and comments.

- systemtool


Some goof wants you banned just for posting on this thread. Some people just don't have any staying power in terms of seeing a good thing through to the end.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 4 @ 5:32 PM ET
Some goof wants you banned just for posting on this thread. Some people just don't have any staying power in terms of seeing a good thing through to the end.
- spatso



Remember all that rhetoric about insults and jabs and what it means? Guess I hit the nail on the head.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 4 @ 5:37 PM ET
What are these "possible negatives" that you are predicting for the Senators?

Bad and aging Goaltending. Horrid team defense. Lack of top end talent up front. Just to name a few things
.

And why do you only focus on a players contract??? Why not the play on the ice? Each team has payroll that has a "floor" and a "ceiling" that they must spend, and if they decide to sign an UFA for X dollars, or trade for a player who makes X dollars, it really does not matter in the end, as the game are played on the ice.

Two words. Salary cap.

Ottawa, or any team, acquires players that they want on their roster, and get rid of ones they don't. Fans can squabble about how much this gut, or that guy gets paid, but in the end, it's the play on the ice that matters. Is Hoffman going to score twice as many goals now that he's been given a much bigger pay cheque? I doubt it. So then in your world, should he get traded?

Play on the ice. Let's see. How about missing the playoffs and having the worst overall team defense in the league


I don't understand why you whine about how much YOU would be paying, if you were attending a leaf game.

I don't attend games. Regardless of team or sport. No interest. Im fine and prefer watching my sports on my outstanding home theatre system or the local pub. Never whined about it though. Feel free to post proof of it. Though you can't since I've never whined about it.

http://business.financial...fit-from-apple-esque-halo

Why not? It's their money.


- D0PPELGANGER
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: he's 35, time to be fart the messenger boy.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Sep 4 @ 9:26 PM ET
It is a miracle that some sens fans are even able to show up here. You would think a normal human being would be too humiliated to stand being a Sens fan.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Sep 4 @ 9:38 PM ET
Remember all that rhetoric about insults and jabs and what it means? Guess I hit the nail on the head.
- systemtool



It seems that rule isnt applied evenly....

Do you really want to go there. Do you not remember when I stood up and said Brian Burke is a fraud and a liar and he is not going to build through the draft. Do you not remember my bitterly opposing the Kessel deal because of it breaking with the promise to build through the draft. There is a history and I have been entirely consistent. Sometimes you think that I am making negative comments directly about the Leafs. If you look closely most of my criticism has been towards the media that hype the old lies. I do get impatient with fans that buy into the lies but for the most part I have not been highly critical of Leaf fans. I like Prock, I am positive towards you, I think Systemfool has been very clever at times.

If you get frustrated with me, it is because of the truths that I speak. Saying that Matthews was the right choice for the Leafs but Laine will probably win the Calder is not a highly contentious statement. Are you upset because I said it? Or, are you upset because of most of what I say about the Leafs usualy turns out to come into being. I believe you were scornful when I suggested that Kessel was going to be traded.

- spatso



Probably a typo....
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 5 @ 7:52 AM ET
It seems that rule isnt applied evenly....




Probably a typo....

- burn


You are way too clever for me! I missed it entirely!
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Sep 5 @ 8:22 AM ET
You are way too clever for me! I missed it entirely!
- spatso



Once may be an accident..... More than that is deliberate.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 5 @ 8:38 AM ET
It is a miracle that some sens fans are even able to show up here. You would think a normal human being would be too humiliated to stand being a Sens fan.
- Aetherial


Kind of humour we all appreciate.

Fans of the team with the worst record in the NHL show up and talk about other teams without regard for the speck in the eye of their own team. Perhaps Leaf fans would be wise to check the scoreboard and standings before launching into criticism of other teams. If the Leafs were a really awful team last year that would be one thing. But, it has been 10 years of failure and this year does not look any better.

If the Leafs are following the Oiler rebuild model (which I think they are). The Leafs are in the second year of the rebuild. Oilers are headed into year 7 without having made the playoffs and the Leafs don't have McDavid.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Sep 5 @ 8:58 AM ET
Kind of humour we all appreciate.

Fans of the team with the worst record in the NHL show up and talk about other teams without regard for the speck in the eye of their own team. Perhaps Leaf fans would be wise to check the scoreboard and standings before launching into criticism of other teams. If the Leafs were a really awful team last year that would be one thing. But, it has been 10 years of failure and this year does not look any better.

If the Leafs are following the Oiler rebuild model (which I think they are). The Leafs are in the second year of the rebuild. Oilers are headed into year 7 without having made the playoffs and the Leafs don't have McDavid.

- spatso



The irony of this post is off the charts.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 5 @ 9:25 AM ET
The irony of this post is off the charts.
- burn


I understand the comment, it has some validity. Even before Brian Burke came on the scenes I begged and pleaded for the Leafs to follow a rebuild. Had the Leafs done something back then they might be a contender today.

I agree entirely with the Shanahan strategy. Less patient with media and some fans that want to pretend it is just a quick fix. This takes time.

Oilers and Coyotes get top marks over the past 5 years for their rebuilds. They still have not made playoffs.

Risk for Leafs is the media will become impatient and start grinding on the slow process of doing it right and want to see some deals to speed up rebuild. Fans will have to resist the pressure to act precipitously.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Sep 5 @ 9:37 AM ET
I understand the comment, it has some validity. Even before Brian Burke came on the scenes I begged and pleaded for the Leafs to follow a rebuild. Had the Leafs done something back then they might be a contender today.

I agree entirely with the Shanahan strategy. Less patient with media and some fans that want to pretend it is just a quick fix. This takes time.

Oilers and Coyotes get top marks over the past 5 years for their rebuilds. They still have not made playoffs.

Risk for Leafs is the media will become impatient and start grinding on the slow process of doing it right and want to see some deals to speed up rebuild. Fans will have to resist the pressure to act precipitously.

- spatso



You understand the comment, but change the subject immediately and don't address the comment? You sure you understood?


Who cares what the media thinks? The media has always been moronic, it doesn't matter what they say. The leafs are going to do their thing, they aren't going to be influenced by the media.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: he's 35, time to be fart the messenger boy.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Sep 5 @ 9:56 AM ET
Kind of humour we all appreciate.

Fans of the team with the worst record in the NHL show up and talk about other teams without regard for the speck in the eye of their own team. Perhaps Leaf fans would be wise to check the scoreboard and standings before launching into criticism of other teams. If the Leafs were a really awful team last year that would be one thing. But, it has been 10 years of failure and this year does not look any better.

If the Leafs are following the Oiler rebuild model (which I think they are). The Leafs are in the second year of the rebuild. Oilers are headed into year 7 without having made the playoffs and the Leafs don't have McDavid.

- spatso


See, that's the thing. When the Leafs had an organization that was consistently making ridiculous moves and had no future, I was suitably embarrassed and refrained from showing up to a fight unarmed.

That's the difference between you and I. I know (knew) when to keep my mouth shut before I embarrassed myself. You clearly don't.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 5 @ 10:12 AM ET
See, that's the thing. When the Leafs had an organization that was consistently making ridiculous moves and had no future, I was suitably embarrassed and refrained from showing up to a fight unarmed.

That's the difference between you and I. I know (knew) when to keep my mouth shut before I embarrassed myself. You clearly don't.

- Aetherial


That is a cop out. Right from the start everyone know the Kessel trade was just plain crazy. The exact opposite of everything that was needed to be done. So a whole bunch of fans rolled over and said they were happy with the trade. They "refrained," as you suggest, "from showing up."

These are the same fans who won't show up for a discussion on the draft or the Calder Cup. For the most part Leaf fans are great hockey fans. But these guys that take the word of MLSE on everything are not real hockey fans. They are merely cheerleaders jumping up and down on the sideline without any real serious understanding of the game and how it is played.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Sep 5 @ 10:26 AM ET
That is a cop out. Right from the start everyone know the Kessel trade was just plain crazy. The exact opposite of everything that was needed to be done. So a whole bunch of fans rolled over and said they were happy with the trade. They "refrained," as you suggest, "from showing up."

These are the same fans who won't show up for a discussion on the draft or the Calder Cup. For the most part Leaf fans are great hockey fans. But these guys that take the word of MLSE on everything are not real hockey fans. They are merely cheerleaders jumping up and down on the sideline without any real serious understanding of the game and how it is played.

- spatso




Who are you referring to? What are you talking about?

Stop making poop up....
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 5 @ 10:41 AM ET
Kind of humour we all appreciate.

Fans of the team with the worst record in the NHL show up and talk about other teams without regard for the speck in the eye of their own team. Perhaps Leaf fans would be wise to check the scoreboard and standings before launching into criticism of other teams. If the Leafs were a really awful team last year that would be one thing. But, it has been 10 years of failure and this year does not look any better.

If the Leafs are following the Oiler rebuild model (which I think they are). The Leafs are in the second year of the rebuild. Oilers are headed into year 7 without having made the playoffs and the Leafs don't have McDavid.

- spatso


You are aware they tanked as part of a rebuild, right? That finish was intentional. Unlike the Sens who were the worst defensively, took on a bad contract to desperately make the playoffs and still failed. But yes, the Oilers are the one and only example of a rebuilding team. Good troll champ. You must have thought of this in church.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 5 @ 10:42 AM ET
Who are you referring to? What are you talking about?

Stop making poop up....

- burn



He's the same fan who won't show up to discuss bad trades for bad contracts.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 5 @ 10:43 AM ET
That is a cop out. Right from the start everyone know the Kessel trade was just plain crazy. The exact opposite of everything that was needed to be done. So a whole bunch of fans rolled over and said they were happy with the trade. They "refrained," as you suggest, "from showing up."

These are the same fans who won't show up for a discussion on the draft or the Calder Cup. For the most part Leaf fans are great hockey fans. But these guys that take the word of MLSE on everything are not real hockey fans. They are merely cheerleaders jumping up and down on the sideline without any real serious understanding of the game and how it is played.

- spatso



No. These are the fans who watched the team fail miserably and repeatedly under Kessel and Phaneuf and demanded change. And got it. Why shouldn't fans be happy about not repeating failures of the past?
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: he's 35, time to be fart the messenger boy.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Sep 5 @ 11:25 AM ET
That is a cop out. Right from the start everyone know the Kessel trade was just plain crazy. The exact opposite of everything that was needed to be done. So a whole bunch of fans rolled over and said they were happy with the trade. They "refrained," as you suggest, "from showing up."

These are the same fans who won't show up for a discussion on the draft or the Calder Cup. For the most part Leaf fans are great hockey fans. But these guys that take the word of MLSE on everything are not real hockey fans. They are merely cheerleaders jumping up and down on the sideline without any real serious understanding of the game and how it is played.

- spatso




Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Dozzald Brump
Joined: 09.15.2010

Sep 5 @ 2:25 PM ET
Lock the thread please

Precedence was set when Howard locked the Sens vs Habs one

Don't worry. No one will mind.

This thread is an embarassment to everyone involved. Just trolls trolling trolls. It needs to go. Also, now its on your list of threads and will pop up everyday. Just end it now.

TY

Also, ban everyone who posted in this thread for 1 year except for me (please)

- AustonPowers


this is precisely why i havent locked it... its a troll magnet... keeps them out of the main threads... mice in a maze type thing

Joined: 12.31.1969

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