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prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jan 5 @ 2:40 PM ET
Again ,what makes you think BM has failed please elighten me .I look at ottawa and i see a good young and up and coming team ,in which we have two very young defensemen leading the way.As well as some great homegrown prospects playing pretty big roles and suceeding .Add to this a pretty decent list of prospects coming.

Now BM makes a move for a young center whom all of ottawa,s managent and coaches seem to be pretty high on .Yet he fails Come on now the leafs who are supposed to be LIGHT YEARS ahead your words not mine, are behind us in the standings with us winning 2 out of the three games we have played.

Maybe the leafs should try to fail as bad huh

- top shelf 15



They paid way too high a price for a guy who hasn't lived up to expectations. They gave up a guy with more value than Turris alone, PLUS a pick. That's a fail.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jan 5 @ 2:41 PM ET
I am fine if BB doesnt trade more young talent/picks to get a quick fix/risky player... He can take his time, I am ok with that

Turris is a high pick in a weak draft...

- senstroll



Turris is a high pick in a weak draft that has seriously underperformed and if the draft were redone, he probably wouldn't make the first round.
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Jan 5 @ 2:53 PM ET
They paid way too high a price for a guy who hasn't lived up to expectations. They gave up a guy with more value than Turris alone, PLUS a pick. That's a fail.
- prock

Again that,s you,re opinion but it still doesnt make it fact,Does KT have 50 to 60 point potential??while playing a decent two way game in the second line role??

Will DR7 become the star everybody expects him to be or will he continue to be a great SEL player and nothing else .This could go ethier way with him but KT is more likley to reach what i stated above than DR7 becoming the next great swedish defender
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jan 5 @ 2:59 PM ET
Again that,s you,re opinion but it still doesnt make it fact,Does KT have 50 to 60 point potential??while playing a decent two way game in the second line role??

Will DR7 become the star everybody expects him to be or will he continue to be a great SEL player and nothing else .This could go ethier way with him but KT is more likley to reach what i stated above than DR7 becoming the next great swedish defender

- top shelf 15


That's your opinion. And it's not the generally accepted one.
jordan456789
Joined: 10.27.2007

Jan 5 @ 3:13 PM ET
I am not disputing the need for a 2nd line Center, I am disputing how they obtained one and what they had to give up... If they needed one for the past 5 years, why rush to get one now at such a high price? Wait for your draft pick from last season to come along. I also never said it was to make the playoffs this season, but to speed up the rebuild, what else is it if not a quick fix rebuild attempt. they have another high end Center prospect coming

Comparing getting Turris (gave up a lot) to Connolly is stupid, all the leafs gave up for money for 2 seasons. Connolly has 20 points in 27 games... or 18 goals 42 assists... 60 point player... as #2 Center...

- senstroll


I agree if you are going to compare Turris deal to another it should be Kessel. Both are GMs trading for a young player while giving up a lot.
senstroll
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 5 @ 3:16 PM ET
I agree if you are going to compare Turris deal to another it should be Kessel. Both are GMs trading for a young player while giving up a lot.
- jordan456789


agreed, the Kessel deal was dumb too, although Kessel had proven something before he was dealt
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jan 5 @ 3:16 PM ET
I agree if you are going to compare Turris deal to another it should be Kessel. Both are GMs trading for a young player while giving up a lot.
- jordan456789



Except Kessel was already a legit top NHL sniper at the time. Turris isn't a legit anything at this point.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jan 5 @ 3:17 PM ET
agreed, the Kessel deal was dumb too, although Kessel had proven something before he was dealt
- senstroll



beat me to it.
senstroll
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 5 @ 3:21 PM ET
Except Kessel was already a legit top NHL sniper at the time. Turris isn't a legit anything at this point.
- prock


umm... just before he was drafted in the BCHL in 53 games 66g 55a 121p



prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jan 5 @ 3:21 PM ET
umm... just before he was drafted in the BCHL in 53 games 66g 55a 121p
- senstroll



Whoa. I stand corrected.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 5 @ 3:25 PM ET
But Burke would never overpay so drastically like that, so if it's true, he was smart to move on, and have some other sucker pay that price.
- prock





Do the names Tyler Seguin, Dougie Hamilton & Jared Knight, ring any bells for you???

top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Jan 5 @ 3:25 PM ET
Except Kessel was already a legit top NHL sniper at the time. Turris isn't a legit anything at this point.
- prock
KT=Kadri at this point
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Jan 5 @ 3:25 PM ET
Except Kessel was already a legit top NHL sniper at the time. Turris isn't a legit anything at this point.
- prock
KT=Kadri at this point
senstroll
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 5 @ 3:26 PM ET
Whoa. I stand corrected.
- prock


and whats even more interesting, is that he was #2 in scoring that season in the BCHL ....behind someone we know very well .... hint... plays with Phil Kessel
senstroll
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 5 @ 3:26 PM ET


Do the names Tyler Seguin, Dougie Hamilton & Jared Knight, ring any bells for you???


- Doppleganger



lol...wow .. there is a big difference between proven and unproven talent we are talking about
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Jan 5 @ 3:29 PM ET
and whats even more interesting, is that he was #2 in scoring that season in the BCHL ....behind someone we know very well .... hint... plays with Phil Kessel
- senstroll
How old was he though KT would have been 17
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jan 5 @ 3:30 PM ET
and whats even more interesting, is that he was #2 in scoring that season in the BCHL ....behind someone we know very well .... hint... plays with Phil Kessel
- senstroll



BOZAK!!!!! the guy that we've been drawing parallels to.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jan 5 @ 3:30 PM ET
KT=Kadri at this point

- top shelf 15



Sure he is.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jan 5 @ 3:31 PM ET
lol...wow .. there is a big difference between proven and unproven talent we are talking about
- senstroll



Kessel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Turris.

then, and now.
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Jan 5 @ 3:32 PM ET
Sure he is.
- prock
Was kadri ready at 18 19or 20 maybe it was 21 kt is 22 years old let him play a bit before we call him a bust
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 5 @ 3:37 PM ET
I'm more inclined to believe Phoenix knew more about Turris after 4 years of dealing with him on North American soil in their organization than the Sens knew about Rundblad after 1 year I think, and a few months on NA soil thanks. The fact that just about every hockey fan, analyst, writer, and scout agrees that it was a stupid trade helps a little too.
- prock




Just goes to show LITTLE you know about the Senators current and former prospects.

David Rundblad played in 2 WJHCs, and those 12 games over two years were his only exposure to playing on NA sized ice prior to participating in the rookie tournament this past fall. So he may have a grand total of LESS THAN 40 games on NA sized ice.

His 24 games he played for the Senators were this season, were his first pro games on NA sized ice and last year he played in Sweden.

He did not show anything that suggested he was ready for a full time NHL roster spot. I said (in another thread) that he needed to go to the AHL for at least a season.

So far the Coyotes have only played him in one game.

prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jan 5 @ 3:38 PM ET
Was kadri ready at 18 19or 20 maybe it was 21 kt is 22 years old let him play a bit before we call him a bust
- top shelf 15



If you compare them at equal ages, he's been better at every step.
senstroll
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 5 @ 3:38 PM ET
How old was he though KT would have been 17
- top shelf 15


sure something like that ... I said is a while ago, Turris is similar to Bozak in what you get... and BB didnt have to give up Kadri and a 2nd to get him...


prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jan 5 @ 3:39 PM ET
Just goes to show LITTLE you know about the Senators current and former prospects.

David Rundblad played in 2 WJHCs, and those 12 games over two years were his only exposure to playing on NA sized ice prior to participating in the rookie tournament this past fall. So he may have a grand total of LESS THAN 40 games on NA sized ice.

His 24 games he played for the Senators were this season, were his first pro games on NA sized ice and last year he played in Sweden.

He did not show anything that suggested he was ready for a full time NHL roster spot. I said (in another thread) that he needed to go to the AHL for at least a season.

So far the Coyotes have only played him in one game.

- Doppleganger


no, you fool. 1 year in the org. a few months on NA soil.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jan 5 @ 3:42 PM ET
sure something like that ... I said is a while ago, Turris is similar to Bozak in what you get... and BB didnt have to give up Kadri and a 2nd to get him...
- senstroll


So many years later.... still trailing Bozak in production. Maybe one day he'll catch up.

Maybe.
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