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systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jul 20 @ 9:39 AM ET
I think Karlsson is a phenomenal talent. Many of us believe he has the talent to take the Senators very deep into the playoffs. You want to think about Phaneuf as the #1D struggling on the Leaf blueline. Sens fans see him playing on a second pairing supporting Ceci.

People talk about what Zibanejad three years out. Sens fans talk about Brassard as a left handed shot that can help Karlsson and Ottawa shooters, especially on power play. Ottawa had 5 players score 20 goals last year. Pageau had 19 and Karlsson had 16. This team can score. The changes this summer are about winning.

- spatso



How far did all those goals get the team last year?
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 20 @ 9:41 AM ET
If only goaltending didn't matter. I can see why you have confidence in Hammond and Anderson. Okay...I can't.
- systemtool


Mrs. Spatso's cousin Eddie is a big Sens fan. But, he is not a big fan of Anderson. Thinks his game fell off last year. I have not seen it. But will watch closely at beginning of season.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jul 20 @ 9:42 AM ET
You will regret your words in 2030 when you will see the poster for the movie :
The Powerplay Impresario : The Story of Guy Boucher And The Incredible Senators Dynasty

- Not_Yan

spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 20 @ 9:43 AM ET
How far did all those goals get the team last year?
- systemtool


Obviously, they were the best Canadian team. But, that is like being the tallest midget. I believe they will move out even farther ahead of other Canadian teams and they will contend in the playoffs.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 20 @ 9:46 AM ET

- Pecafan Fan



Boucher 3 years in TB and the team PP rank

6th
25th
13th

systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jul 20 @ 9:47 AM ET
Obviously, they were the best Canadian team. But, that is like being the tallest midget. I believe they will move out even farther ahead of other Canadian teams and they will contend in the playoffs.
- spatso


I bet.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 20 @ 9:58 AM ET
Boucher 3 years in TB and the team PP rank

6th
25th
13th

- senstroll


There are some question marks around the data. In 2010-11
Stamkos had 45 goals including 17 on the power play. In 2011-12 Stamkos had his best NHL season scoring 60 goals but only 12 came on the power play.
ReporterChris
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Live from the ESPN studios, AB
Joined: 07.19.2016

Jul 20 @ 10:00 AM ET
There are some question marks around the data. In 2010-11
Stamkos had 45 goals including 17 on the power play. In 2011-12 Stamkos had his best NHL season scoring 60 goals but only 12 came on the power play.

- spatso

Data sucks. Opinion is all that matters.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 20 @ 10:00 AM ET
I bet.
- systemtool


You have fallen off your summer game. You started strong but seem to be fading.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 20 @ 10:01 AM ET
Data sucks. Opinion is all that matters.
- ReporterChris


You obviously have been reading the Toronto media.
ReporterChris
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Live from the ESPN studios, AB
Joined: 07.19.2016

Jul 20 @ 10:03 AM ET
You obviously have been reading the Toronto media.
- spatso

They're the worst
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 20 @ 10:08 AM ET
There are some question marks around the data. In 2010-11
Stamkos had 45 goals including 17 on the power play. In 2011-12 Stamkos had his best NHL season scoring 60 goals but only 12 came on the power play.

- spatso


what the F are you even talking about.

a PP % is not complicated
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 20 @ 10:10 AM ET
They're the worst
- ReporterChris


I need to be careful because I am sometimes not clear and say things without thinking through the implied meaning that trails the statement. I think the Toronto media is vile and disgusting. They will say or hype any story line as long as it drives their end purpose.

On the other hand, I think Leaf fans are second only to the passionate Canadiens' patriots in team loyalty and, most important, hockey knowledge. Sometimes my irritation with the Toronto media appears to be an impatience with Leaf fans, but that very seldom is really the case.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 20 @ 10:16 AM ET
what the F are you even talking about.

a PP % is not complicated

- senstroll


Yes, yes of course the % is simple. But coaching is highly complex. Stamkos scores 45 goals including 17 on the power play. The following year he scores 60 but only 12 on the power play. Overall team performance also improved in the second year. Explain.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jul 20 @ 10:40 AM ET
Obviously, they were the best Canadian team. But, that is like being the tallest midget. I believe they will move out even farther ahead of other Canadian teams and they will contend in the playoffs.
- spatso



I'm not sure why, but you remind me a lot of Bushkorn when you type stuff like this.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 20 @ 10:45 AM ET
Yes, yes of course the % is simple. But coaching is highly complex. Stamkos scores 45 goals including 17 on the power play. The following year he scores 60 but only 12 on the power play. Overall team performance also improved in the second year. Explain.
- spatso



85% of the game is played at even strength
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 20 @ 10:45 AM ET
Keep it simple Sens dumped a lot of garbage on the Leafs. They wanted Phaneuf to support Karlsson.

Leafs wanted to move on from Phaneuf and start a new era and they took a lot of garbage from the Sens in order for it to happen.

Both teams seem really happy with their choices.

Leafs are going nowhere, Sens believe they will contend. The only thing that matters is when we start looking at the scoreboard for real in about 10 weeks. Getting your panties in a knot over who won a specific trade tends to be a little bit removed from the scoreboard and the standings.

- spatso

So in your books, "keep it simple" means "ignore the truth"?
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 20 @ 10:52 AM ET
85% of the game is played at even strength
- senstroll


But Stamkos going from 45 goals to 60 and at the same time dropping from 17 to 12 goals seems counterintuitive. Curios stat that probably has a good hockey explanation.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 20 @ 10:55 AM ET
I'm not sure why, but you remind me a lot of Bushkorn when you type stuff like this.
- prock


Is it the scoreboard measure you find upsetting? I understand that we do not do a lot a scoreboard reference during the summer hockey talk season, but they do matter.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 20 @ 10:57 AM ET
But Stamkos going from 45 goals to 60 and at the same time dropping from 17 to 12 goals seems counterintuitive. Curios stat that probably has a good hockey explanation.
- spatso


PP sh% and sv% fluctuate a lot
maybe you are wasting time looking at the wrong things trying to come to a conclusion.


Here are the past cup winners and their league Rank PP%
16th
20th
27th
19th
17th
20th
16th

you can try to point to Mr PP Impresario as a way to convince yourself the Sens will improve..but I dont buy it.



prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jul 20 @ 10:57 AM ET
But Stamkos going from 45 goals to 60 and at the same time dropping from 17 to 12 goals seems counterintuitive. Curios stat that probably has a good hockey explanation.
- spatso



There could be lots. I'm not sure why it matters.

Martin St Louis' goals dropped in that very same time frame. Coincidentally, Martin St. Louis' assists increased by similar numbers as Stamkos' goals increased. Stamkos' assists actually dropped a little bit.

Could it possibly be that Stamkos took more of a portion of the shots that season, while St. Louis decided to distribute the puck more often?
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 20 @ 10:58 AM ET
So in your books, "keep it simple" means "ignore the truth"?
- Feeling Glucky?


Truth is an elusive word and usually the product of someone's perception of reality.

If I say that the truth is clear that Laine is the best prospect drafted...it is only a perceived truth by me. Others have believe a different truth.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jul 20 @ 11:00 AM ET
Is it the scoreboard measure you find upsetting? I understand that we do not do a lot a scoreboard reference during the summer hockey talk season, but they do matter.
- spatso



Upsetting? It makes me laugh. 'IT'S THE SENS MARCH TO THE PLAYOFFS.'

I'm gonna think of you uttering "ANOTHER SETBACK FOR THE RED AND MUSTARD" all season.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 20 @ 11:00 AM ET
There could be lots. I'm not sure why it matters.

Martin St Louis' goals dropped in that very same time frame. Coincidentally, Martin St. Louis' assists increased by similar numbers as Stamkos' goals increased. Stamkos' assists actually dropped a little bit.

Could it possibly be that Stamkos took more of a portion of the shots that season, while St. Louis decided to distribute the puck more often?

- prock


I am curios because of the credit being given to Boucher in terms of his ability to obtain great results from his special teams. Not sure the evidence supports the assertions being made.

Joined: 12.31.1969

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