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Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jun 29 @ 8:23 PM ET
certainly Stamkos will help
- spatso

Leafs made him an offer, it wasn't enough.

C'est la vie. Good thing they didn't go all out with a max contract
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 29 @ 11:00 PM ET
Leafs made him an offer, it wasn't enough.

C'est la vie. Good thing they didn't go all out with a max contract

- Feeling Glucky?


i agree. i think the leafs avoided a really difficult long term problem.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jun 30 @ 4:18 PM ET
Leafs made him an offer, it wasn't enough.

C'est la vie. Good thing they didn't go all out with a max contract

- Feeling Glucky?



The leafs owner is a real cheapo, would not offer enough cash to entice Stamkos to play in his hometown.

The cheapo owner even brought in the CEO of Canadian Tire, to entice him with more endorsement money to sign with the cheapo leafs owner.

The leafs cheapo owner even had the Mayor of toronto beg Stamkos to sign with the leafs ............. pathetic!
twiztedmike
Vegas Golden Knights
Joined: 10.06.2007

Jun 30 @ 4:27 PM ET
The leafs owner is a real cheapo, would not offer enough cash to entice Stamkos to play in his hometown.

The cheapo owner even brought in the CEO of Canadian Tire, to entice him with more endorsement money to sign with the cheapo leafs owner.

The leafs cheapo owner even had the Mayor of toronto beg Stamkos to sign with the leafs ............. pathetic!

- D0PPELGANGER

Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jun 30 @ 4:36 PM ET
The leafs owner is a real cheapo, would not offer enough cash to entice Stamkos to play in his hometown.

The cheapo owner even brought in the CEO of Canadian Tire, to entice him with more endorsement money to sign with the cheapo leafs owner.

The leafs cheapo owner even had the Mayor of toronto beg Stamkos to sign with the leafs ............. pathetic!

- D0PPELGANGER

Sorry dopps, there's a difference between smart cap management and running a budget team to fuel an extended vacation in Barbados.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 30 @ 4:42 PM ET
The leafs owner is a real cheapo, would not offer enough cash to entice Stamkos to play in his hometown.

The cheapo owner even brought in the CEO of Canadian Tire, to entice him with more endorsement money to sign with the cheapo leafs owner.

The leafs cheapo owner even had the Mayor of toronto beg Stamkos to sign with the leafs ............. pathetic!

- D0PPELGANGER



You are certifiable.

Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jun 30 @ 6:46 PM ET
If I'm Stamkos, I prefer to win soon, in a place that wants to win, instead of a place that offres me to make a lot of cash backed by Canadian tire.

My point is: Tampa was offering a poopload of cash and a real chance to win. Toronto played the money card mostly. And maybe one day, a chance to win, under the Toronto microscope.


To me, the choice is easy.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jun 30 @ 11:10 PM ET
If I'm Stamkos, I prefer to win soon, in a place that wants to win, instead of a place that offres me to make a lot of cash backed by Canadian tire.

My point is: Tampa was offering a poopload of cash and a real chance to win. Toronto played the money card mostly. And maybe one day, a chance to win, under the Toronto microscope.


To me, the choice is easy.

- Pecafan Fan



Plus the way the contract is structured with massive signing bonuses each year, circumventing some tax laws, he is going to make more money than the cheapo Sahanaplan was prepared to offer.

bottom line the leafs did not step up to the plate and deliver the money required to sign Stamkos ............ and the same story will play out in two years when they won't offer John Tavares enough money to play for the leafs............ but leaf fans will get sucked into believing it will happen just like they bet the bank on Stamkos.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jun 30 @ 11:15 PM ET
Plus the way the contract is structured with massive signing bonuses each year, circumventing some tax laws, he is going to make more money than the cheapo Sahanaplan was prepared to offer.

bottom line the leafs did not step up to the plate and deliver the money required to sign Stamkos ............ and the same story will play out in two years when they won't offer John Tavares enough money to play for the leafs............ but leaf fans will get sucked into believing it will happen just like they bet the bank on Stamkos.

- D0PPELGANGER

It has very little to do with money.

Imho.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 30 @ 11:17 PM ET
Plus the way the contract is structured with massive signing bonuses each year, circumventing some tax laws, he is going to make more money than the cheapo Sahanaplan was prepared to offer.

bottom line the leafs did not step up to the plate and deliver the money required to sign Stamkos ............ and the same story will play out in two years when they won't offer John Tavares enough money to play for the leafs............ but leaf fans will get sucked into believing it will happen just like they bet the bank on Stamkos.

- D0PPELGANGER





The leafs are the cheapest cheapskates that ever cheapskated
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 1 @ 8:47 AM ET
It has very little to do with money.

Imho.

- Pecafan Fan



I'm pretty sure there were reports in the Media about year or so ago, about his parents moving to Tampa ...... and that was a clear sign that he was most likely to re-sign with Tampa.

But the Tax laws in Florida had a LOT to do with this re-signing. A Canadian citizen is only taxed at a 15% rate, for signing bonuses, as opposed to 39% if he were an American.

In each year of his contract, all but 1 Million is paid on July 1st as a signing bonus, and throw in the fact that there is no personal income tax in Florida and the sales tax rate is 6%.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jul 1 @ 8:52 AM ET
I'm pretty sure there were reports in the Media about year or so ago, about his parents moving to Tampa ...... and that was a clear sign that he was most likely to re-sign with Tampa.

But the Tax laws in Florida had a LOT to do with this re-signing. A Canadian citizen is only taxed at a 15% rate, for signing bonuses, as opposed to 39% if he were an American.

In each year of his contract, all but 1 Million is paid on July 1st as a signing bonus, and throw in the fact that there is no personal income tax in Florida and the sales tax rate is 6%.

- D0PPELGANGER




Residency, not citizenship.

Allan Walsh
13h
Allan Walsh‏ @walsha
Totally incorrect. Income tax based on residency, not citizenship. He will pay 40.5% U.S. Federal Income Tax. (link: https://twitter.com/andys...status/748611254374146048) twitter.com/andystrickland…

spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 1 @ 7:26 PM ET
Are the Leafs looking achieve another first overall pick next year.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 1 @ 7:46 PM ET
Are the Leafs looking achieve another first overall pick next year.
- spatso

Probably not, why do you ask?
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 2 @ 4:32 AM ET
Probably not, why do you ask?
- Feeling Glucky?


At this point, this is a much weaker Leaf roster compared to the Leafs at this time last year. Clearly, they have opted for the long term, which I think is wise. But, next year, looks like it is going to get ugly very early into the season.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 2 @ 6:15 AM ET
At this point, this is a much weaker Leaf roster compared to the Leafs at this time last year. Clearly, they have opted for the long term, which I think is wise. But, next year, looks like it is going to get ugly very early into the season.
- spatso



Shanahan's plan blew up in his face once Stamkos re-signed with the Lightning.

burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jul 2 @ 7:39 AM ET
Shanahan's plan blew up in his face once Stamkos re-signed with the Lightning.
- D0PPELGANGER



Except that isn't/wasn't the plan..... He said he'd adjust the plan if stamkos was available.


The hockeybuzz mantra: create your own reality to make yourself feel better
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 2 @ 9:30 AM ET
At this point, this is a much weaker Leaf roster compared to the Leafs at this time last year. Clearly, they have opted for the long term, which I think is wise. But, next year, looks like it is going to get ugly very early into the season.
- spatso

To me it looks much better, given the influx of high skilled forwards we're going to see, rather than some of the low-skill stopgaps we saw last season.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jul 2 @ 9:37 AM ET
At this point, this is a much weaker Leaf roster compared to the Leafs at this time last year. Clearly, they have opted for the long term, which I think is wise. But, next year, looks like it is going to get ugly very early into the season.
- spatso



We'll see. Better goaltender and more speed and skill than at the start of the year last year. And the players that have been here for a year better understand the system being implemented.

How/where are they weaker?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 2 @ 3:40 PM ET
Except that isn't/wasn't the plan..... He said he'd adjust the plan if stamkos was available.


The hockeybuzz mantra: create your own reality to make yourself feel better

- burn



They pushed hard to convince him to play in his home town. Wined and dined him with the Mayor and the CEO of Canadian Tire, in toronto earlier this week.

So YES he was part of the plan .............. it has been well rumoured for almost a year ......... but in the end the leaf ownership cheaped out and did not pony up enough cash.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 2 @ 3:49 PM ET
We'll see. Better goaltender and more speed and skill than at the start of the year last year. And the players that have been here for a year better understand the system being implemented.

How/where are they weaker?

- burn


No D. nobody who can clear the puck from their own zone except for Reilly
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 2 @ 3:49 PM ET
We'll see. Better goaltender and more speed and skill than at the start of the year last year. And the players that have been here for a year better understand the system being implemented.

How/where are they weaker?

- burn


No D. nobody who can clear the puck from their own zone except for Reilly
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jul 2 @ 3:54 PM ET
They pushed hard to convince him to play in his home town. Wined and dined him with the Mayor and the CEO of Canadian Tire, in toronto earlier this week.

So YES he was part of the plan .............. it has been well rumoured for almost a year ......... but in the end the leaf ownership cheaped out and did not pony up enough cash.

- D0PPELGANGER



They didn't offer up enough cash to a guy that wasn't available to be offered any cash. You rally are an imbecile aren't you.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jul 2 @ 3:55 PM ET
No D. nobody who can clear the puck from their own zone except for Reilly
- spatso



Gardiner?

Zietzev?

Carrick?


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