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Forums :: NHL Talk :: WHO is in a better situation: LEAFS or SENS?
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Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: If they sign Shattenkirk at 8 years for $65m,...you guys are going to look somewhat silly.spatso
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 17 @ 1:22 PM ET
You still need to pay actual dollars to buy him out
- top shelf 15


$750k × 2 years is the cost to buy him out.


Yeah, that cheap.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: If they sign Shattenkirk at 8 years for $65m,...you guys are going to look somewhat silly.spatso
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 17 @ 1:30 PM ET
I dont understand the point of his salary or cap hit not mattering. Okay fine, I get the part where since they don't spend to the cap what should it matter what the cap hit is. They're still a budget team though and I'm not sure I'd be trilled with a 5.5 2nd pairing dman when the team can only spend so much. On a long term deal. In his 30s. Still doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
- systemtool


Exactly. It’s actually a bigger deal when it comes to their budget.

40 games into this season reality will set-in for them.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jun 17 @ 7:09 PM ET
You still need to pay actual dollars to buy him out
- top shelf 15


Yes. Rich people need to do that. And save cap space.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jun 17 @ 7:22 PM ET
Exactly. It’s actually a bigger deal when it comes to their budget.

40 games into this season reality will set-in for them.

- Tumbleweed


Yup.

5 years is a long time. This should get fun
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 18 @ 4:38 AM ET
Exactly. It’s actually a bigger deal when it comes to their budget.

40 games into this season reality will set-in for them.

- Tumbleweed


I don't understand why people just don't check the numbers. Next year, the Sens are projected to pay out $57m (actual) against a $54m cap on 18 contracts. They still need to sign Hoffman and Ceci as well as 2 or 3 additional players. So, the Sens are likely to come in near $70m in actual salary dollars and around $67m on the cap. Not sure why anyone would want them to spend more?
muffin_man
Montreal Canadiens
Location: no problem, as s hole - Eric Engels, NY
Joined: 02.10.2007

Jun 18 @ 7:26 PM ET
I don't understand why people just don't check the numbers. Next year, the Sens are projected to pay out $57m (actual) against a $54m cap on 18 contracts. They still need to sign Hoffman and Ceci as well as 2 or 3 additional players. So, the Sens are likely to come in near $70m in actual salary dollars and around $67m on the cap. Not sure why anyone would want them to spend more?
- spatso

to get better players?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 18 @ 9:08 PM ET
to get better players?
- muffin_man


yeah, like ones that don't give up the most shots on net in the league. Perhaps a few dmen that know how to defend might help. maybe a winger that knows how to spell intensity. They're out there.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: If they sign Shattenkirk at 8 years for $65m,...you guys are going to look somewhat silly.spatso
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 18 @ 10:46 PM ET
I don't understand why people just don't check the numbers. Next year, the Sens are projected to pay out $57m (actual) against a $54m cap on 18 contracts. They still need to sign Hoffman and Ceci as well as 2 or 3 additional players. So, the Sens are likely to come in near $70m in actual salary dollars and around $67m on the cap. Not sure why anyone would want them to spend more?
- spatso


D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jun 19 @ 5:52 AM ET
yeah, like ones that don't give up the most shots on net in the league. Perhaps a few dmen that know how to defend might help. maybe a winger that knows how to spell intensity. They're out there.
- prock


Or perhaps an entire roster that is capable of finishing higher than 30th overall in the standings?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 19 @ 8:20 AM ET
Or perhaps an entire roster that is capable of finishing higher than 30th overall in the standings?
- D0PPELGANGER


that's the other way of getting the elite players, correct.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 19 @ 8:51 AM ET
Or perhaps an entire roster that is capable of finishing higher than 30th overall in the standings?
- D0PPELGANGER



All hail the sens and the mushy middle.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jun 20 @ 8:54 AM ET
that's the other way of getting the elite players, correct.
- prock


Working well for the Oilers, Eh?
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 20 @ 9:09 AM ET
I don't understand why people just don't check the numbers. Next year, the Sens are projected to pay out $57m (actual) against a $54m cap on 18 contracts. They still need to sign Hoffman and Ceci as well as 2 or 3 additional players. So, the Sens are likely to come in near $70m in actual salary dollars and around $67m on the cap. Not sure why anyone would want them to spend more?
- spatso


interesting... Seems like Dion is an even bigger drag on the team than I thought.

prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 20 @ 9:10 AM ET
Working well for the Oilers, Eh?
- D0PPELGANGER



Yes, it did. They have several top players. Again, as I said earlier, I'd give the Oilers, a better shot at winning the cup in the next five years than 20 to 25 teams in the NHL. The Sens and Leafs included.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jun 20 @ 9:51 AM ET
All hail the sens and the mushy middle.
- burn



Senators have done better than most teams drafting players in later rounds.

In fact since the 2004 -05 lockout, the Kings, Blues & Senators received the top marks for drafting players from lower average draft positions, drafting players that have gone on to play games in the NHL, and the points generated by these players.

Ted Wyman covers this story in today's Postmedia newspapers.

spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 20 @ 10:20 AM ET
Yes, it did. They have several top players. Again, as I said earlier, I'd give the Oilers, a better shot at winning the cup in the next five years than 20 to 25 teams in the NHL. The Sens and Leafs included.
- prock


I agree. But it means Chiarelli needs to pull the lever on a huge deal to bring in a #1 Dman.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 20 @ 6:01 PM ET
I agree. But it means Chiarelli needs to pull the lever on a huge deal to bring in a #1 Dman.
- spatso



just about every team that wins the cup generally has pulled in players from all avenues. Draft, trades, free agent signings. the oilers are no different.

But yes, their glaring hole is a top notch two way stud dman. But, then again, that's the same hole as the Leafs have (they've got a good young two way dman, but not yet stud), the Sens (their most talented dman is a sieve defensively), and many other teams in the league have.

it's not an easy hole to plug.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: If they sign Shattenkirk at 8 years for $65m,...you guys are going to look somewhat silly.spatso
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 20 @ 6:30 PM ET
Andersen > Anderson
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 20 @ 6:52 PM ET
just about every team that wins the cup generally has pulled in players from all avenues. Draft, trades, free agent signings. the oilers are no different.

But yes, their glaring hole is a top notch two way stud dman. But, then again, that's the same hole as the Leafs have (they've got a good young two way dman, but not yet stud), the Sens (their most talented dman is a sieve defensively), and many other teams in the league have.

it's not an easy hole to plug.

- prock


Funny, this from recent Hockey News awards. His best year's are still to come.

BOBBY ORR AWARD (Best Defenseman)
1. Erik Karlsson, Ottawa (26 points)
2. Brent Burns, San Jose (24 points)
3. Drew Doughty, Los Angeles (18 points)
4. Victor Hedman, Tampa Bay (7 points)
5. Kris Letang, Pittsburgh (6 points)

Karlsson owned the possession game for Ottawa. The discrepancy in the Sens’ play with or without him on the ice was astronomical. He joined Bobby Orr, Paul Coffey and Denis Potvin as the only D-men to finish top-10 in NHL scoring twice.

golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jun 20 @ 7:05 PM ET
Funny, this from recent Hockey News awards. His best year's are still to come.

BOBBY ORR AWARD (Best Defenseman)
1. Erik Karlsson, Ottawa (26 points)
2. Brent Burns, San Jose (24 points)
3. Drew Doughty, Los Angeles (18 points)
4. Victor Hedman, Tampa Bay (7 points)
5. Kris Letang, Pittsburgh (6 points)

Karlsson owned the possession game for Ottawa. The discrepancy in the Sens’ play with or without him on the ice was astronomical. He joined Bobby Orr, Paul Coffey and Denis Potvin as the only D-men to finish top-10 in NHL scoring twice.

- spatso


What is particularly impressive about Karlsson doing it is that he accomplished the feat without any other real talent on the team.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jun 20 @ 7:06 PM ET
Funny, this from recent Hockey News awards. His best year's are still to come.

BOBBY ORR AWARD (Best Defenseman)
1. Erik Karlsson, Ottawa (26 points)
2. Brent Burns, San Jose (24 points)
3. Drew Doughty, Los Angeles (18 points)
4. Victor Hedman, Tampa Bay (7 points)
5. Kris Letang, Pittsburgh (6 points)

Karlsson owned the possession game for Ottawa. The discrepancy in the Sens’ play with or without him on the ice was astronomical. He joined Bobby Orr, Paul Coffey and Denis Potvin as the only D-men to finish top-10 in NHL scoring twice.

- spatso

He may be a terrible dman, but at least he's a solid top-6 winger.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jun 20 @ 8:30 PM ET
Andersen > Anderson
- Tumbleweed


Last season Anderson had more wins, more shutouts and a lower GAA
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jun 20 @ 9:24 PM ET
Last season Anderson had more wins, more shutouts and a lower GAA
- D0PPELGANGER

1 more shutout in 17 more games.

And Andersen had the better GAA, and save %, to boot.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 21 @ 6:35 AM ET
1 more shutout in 17 more games.

And Andersen had the better GAA, and save %, to boot.

- Feeling Glucky?


I believe we heard this song and dance before. It seems like only a short time age you were claiming that Bernier was the key to your finding your inner Nelson Mandella. There is no evidence to suggest Andersen is any better as a goalie than either Bernier or Mandella. But we all enjoy Leaf summer talk. It has been a little better and a bit more over the top than previous years. But, it is certainly entertaining.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 21 @ 7:07 AM ET
I believe we heard this song and dance before. It seems like only a short time age you were claiming that Bernier was the key to your finding your inner Nelson Mandella. There is no evidence to suggest Andersen is any better as a goalie than either Bernier or Mandella. But we all enjoy Leaf summer talk. It has been a little better and a bit more over the top than previous years. But, it is certainly entertaining.
- spatso



What? If you ignore him having been a number 1 before acquisition and his stats, then sure.
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