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Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jun 9 @ 8:22 AM ET
You may be surprised to know that I was highly critical of Melnyk three years ago and his inability to clearly and honestly set out his avoidance of budget concerns. I do believe that the team has had a large infusion of cash from another party (perhaps a partner). The Sens will start the season with a player budget around $65m (less than $5m in available cap).
- spatso

Excellent way to address nothing of what was said.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jun 9 @ 9:55 AM ET
Who has 7mil in salary retention not year?
- burn

http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/teams/TOR?year=2017
senstroll
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 9 @ 10:25 AM ET
http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/teams/TOR?year=2017
- D0PPELGANGER



Kessel is the only retained salary
prock
Nashville Predators
Location: Nice to know how comfortable t, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 9 @ 10:38 AM ET
Kessel is the only retained salary
- senstroll



I'm actually puzzled as to why they'd even bother buying Cowen out. Stick him in the minors, leave him there.

With a buyout, his cap hit is $750K for 2years, total of $1.5M. If you stick him in the minors, total cap hit is $2.1M, but it's all next year. $600K more, but done this year.

Personally, I think the Leafs are more likely to need the cap space in 2 years, not this year.

Effing hilarious that the Leafs managed to dump over $35M in total cap hit, and take so little back. Some of which may end up as draft picks next TDL too. What a coup.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: tenav for drouin. lol @ canucks
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 9 @ 10:41 AM ET
Kessel is the only retained salary
- senstroll


not too smart, is he?
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: tenav for drouin. lol @ canucks
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 9 @ 10:48 AM ET
I'm actually puzzled as to why they'd even bother buying Cowen out. Stick him in the minors, leave him there.

With a buyout, his cap hit is $750K for 2years, total of $1.5M. If you stick him in the minors, total cap hit is $2.1M, but it's all next year. $600K more, but done this year.

Personally, I think the Leafs are more likely to need the cap space in 2 years, not this year.

Effing hilarious that the Leafs managed to dump over $35M in total cap hit, and take so little back. Some of which may end up as draft picks next TDL too. What a coup.

- prock


they actually get a $650k cap credit (savings) this year and a $750k hit next year on a cowen buyout. a team like chicago might see value in cowen's cap credit and actually trade for the buyout.

with michalek, bernier, laich and greening coming off the books there should be plenty of cap space next year even with the buyout.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jun 9 @ 10:55 AM ET
Kessel is the only retained salary
- senstroll


Who is paying the other 5.33 Million in "other" salaries next year?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jun 9 @ 11:27 AM ET
September 7th 2011


Right now Toronto needs these to compete for a cup:

-A #1 center
-An elite #1 defenseman
-An elite goalie
-More depth

If Toronto had Seguin and Hamilton instead of Kessel they'd need:

-A #1 center
-An elite #1 defenseman
-An elite goalie
-An elite goal scoring winger

- daeth
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Jun 9 @ 11:59 AM ET
The Phaneuf deal was exellent for both parties dont really get why its being brought up .We are going to lose Methot either through expansion, or by him overpricing himself .Phaneuf and Methot are likely a wash in terms of actual play .Methot is a defense first guy ,that brings little to the table in offense.

Phaneuf while not as good defensively bring more offense while being a decent defender,neither of them in a perfect world is a top pairing guy .We have some hope in Chabot maybe one day getting there ,but we just dont know .So we traded dead cap for a servicable top 4 guy to fill the gap for both now and the near future
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 9 @ 12:00 PM ET
http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/teams/TOR?year=2017
- D0PPELGANGER



This is a link to the leafs and doesn't show 7mil of retention.


Typical dopes post.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 9 @ 12:03 PM ET
Who is paying the other 5.33 Million in "other" salaries next year?
- D0PPELGANGER



What other? Kessel is only retained salary.


Where are you getting your numbers? Why is Cowan in that group? You really are a moron aren't you.
muffin_man
Montreal Canadiens
Location: no problem, as s hole - Eric Engels, NY
Joined: 02.10.2007

Jun 9 @ 7:39 PM ET
What other? Kessel is only retained salary.


Where are you getting your numbers? Why is Cowan in that group? You really are a moron aren't you.

- burn

I'm assuming he means Horton. He's desperate so pointing out that the Leafs have to pay his salary because the contract wasn't insured like anyone associated with the Leafs gives 2 poops about that.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: tenav for drouin. lol @ canucks
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 9 @ 10:36 PM ET
I'm assuming he means Horton. He's desperate so pointing out that the Leafs have to pay his salary because the contract wasn't insured like anyone associated with the Leafs gives 2 poops about that.
- muffin_man


Thing is - he didn't understand that until a week ago.

He's a few sandwiches short of a picnic.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jun 9 @ 11:39 PM ET
What other? Kessel is only retained salary.


Where are you getting your numbers? Why is Cowan in that group? You really are a moron aren't you.

- burn


http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/teams/TOR?year=2017
This site shows over 7 MILLION in salary being paid, by the leafs, to players not on their roster for 2016 - 17.

Your argument is with this site not me.

You may argue the whether it's Buy out cash, salary retention or whatever ............ the team is paying these players, and they will not be on the roster next season ......... and the cost gets passed on to the ticket buyers.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: tenav for drouin. lol @ canucks
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 9 @ 11:45 PM ET
http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/teams/TOR?year=2017
This site shows over 7 MILLION in salary being paid, by the leafs, to players not on their roster for 2016 - 17.

Your argument is with this site not me.

You may argue the whether it's Buy out cash, salary retention or whatever ............ the team is paying these players, and they will not be on the roster next season ......... and the cost gets passed on to the ticket buyers.

- D0PPELGANGER


Figure it out yourself
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 10 @ 7:08 AM ET
http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/teams/TOR?year=2017
This site shows over 7 MILLION in salary being paid, by the leafs, to players not on their roster for 2016 - 17.

Your argument is with this site not me.

You may argue the whether it's Buy out cash, salary retention or whatever ............ the team is paying these players, and they will not be on the roster next season ......... and the cost gets passed on to the ticket buyers.

- D0PPELGANGER




Wel if you knew what the (frank) you were talking about you wouldn't be making these simple moronic mistakes. Why is Cowan listed there at his full salary? If he's not on the leafs next year then he isn't on their cap at 4.5mil is he? If you had half a brain you'd know that. People have told you you're wrong here and yet you keep coming in here trying to shove it down our throats. So my argument isn't with the poopty site with incorrect info, it's with the idiot using it and continuing to use after its pointed out its wrong.

I don't need to argue over semantics. You said "salary retention" so by what you said they have one.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 10 @ 7:37 AM ET
Wel if you knew what the (frank) you were talking about you wouldn't be making these simple moronic mistakes. Why is Cowan listed there at his full salary? If he's not on the leafs next year then he isn't on their cap at 4.5mil is he? If you had half a brain you'd know that. People have told you you're wrong here and yet you keep coming in here trying to shove it down our throats. So my argument isn't with the poopty site with incorrect info, it's with the idiot using it and continuing to use after its pointed out its wrong.

I don't need to argue over semantics. You said "salary retention" so by what you said they have one.

- burn


Your comments would take on a lot more meaning if you toned down the personal insults. I think you are right in what you are saying but it is hard to figure out the primary point your making through all the invective.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 10 @ 7:43 AM ET
Your comments would take on a lot more meaning if you toned down the personal insults. I think you are right in what you are saying but it is hard to figure out the primary point your making through all the invective.
- spatso






Wrote it in English, if you're having trouble understanding that's not my fault.
senstroll
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 10 @ 8:07 AM ET
http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/teams/TOR?year=2017
This site shows over 7 MILLION in salary being paid, by the leafs, to players not on their roster for 2016 - 17.

Your argument is with this site not me.

You may argue the whether it's Buy out cash, salary retention or whatever ............ the team is paying these players, and they will not be on the roster next season ......... and the cost gets passed on to the ticket buyers.

- D0PPELGANGER



use GF..its broken down for you...

http://www.generalfanager...teams/toronto-maple-leafs

better?

burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 10 @ 8:11 AM ET
use GF..its broken down for you...

http://www.generalfanager...teams/toronto-maple-leafs

better?

- senstroll



Buy this says 1.2 mil in retained, dopes said it was like 7mil. Who's right?
senstroll
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 10 @ 8:46 AM ET
Buy this says 1.2 mil in retained, dopes said it was like 7mil. Who's right?
- burn



I just checked the sens..says they are paying 7 million to a pylon to play for them
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Jun 10 @ 8:48 AM ET
I just checked the sens..says they are paying 7 million to a pylon to play for them
- senstroll

D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jun 10 @ 9:12 AM ET
What other? Kessel is only retained salary.


Where are you getting your numbers? Why is Cowan in that group? You really are a moron aren't you.

- burn



You don't have to get so rattled ............. take a deep breath, and just look under the Heading of "other" where Cowen, Gleason & Kessel are listed, along with their 2016 -17 salaries.

If the site is wrong, it's not my fault .............. but please explain where those salaries/buyouts belong, and who is paying them.

In the end these expenses are passed on to the ticket buyers... AKA the highest average ticket price in the NHL.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jun 10 @ 9:21 AM ET
use GF..its broken down for you...

http://www.generalfanager...teams/toronto-maple-leafs

better?

- senstroll


This site does look a bit more detailed, but now when you add the "Injured Reserve", the "Buyouts ", the "Retained" & the " Buried" salaries for 2016-17, they total almost 13 MILLION ............ which again gets passed of to the ticket buyers.

Considering how gawd awful the leafs have been over the past decade (one playoff appearance) and being the worst team in the entire league last season ........... the cost of correcting(?) the past decade's ineptitude (almost 13M) is not something leaf fans should be lauding as a virtue of the organization.

This should be seen and "rock bottom", so perhaps is a way leaf fans can now see something better from this franchise in the distant future................... but I would not hold my breath.

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