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top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Feb 10 @ 10:06 AM ET
Still think he will be better than Cowen was, and moves the rest of the Dmen down in the batting order to where they're better suited.........


Wouldn't Markov be better over all, if he was playing fewer minutes in the second pairing and not vs the opponents top forwards?

- D0PPELGANGER
Exactly ,Dion is not going to be a top pairing guy ,he is there because Ceci is a very good young skating defenseman that needs some support .Also we now dont have to rush another very promising dman in Chabot ,he has now 3 solid years of development time .In which time he should be close or ready to assume Methot,s duties
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Feb 10 @ 10:07 AM ET
Is he a UFA?
- D0PPELGANGER

Nope.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Feb 10 @ 10:49 AM ET
In actual dollar amounts paid to Phaneuf, this was his second year of being paid 8 Million, with 2 Million already paid as signing bonus(by the leafs) last summer, and the remaining 6 Million over the season......so Ottawa pays less than 3 Million for this season, and his actual paid salary declines to 7.5, 7.0, 6.5, 6.5 & 5.5 for the remaining seasons ............ an average of 6.6 Million.

His presence in the line up, drops the remaining Dmen into positions/roles their better suited for, also Phaneauf is also better suited NOT in the top pairing..........so on paper it looks good, but let's see how it unfolds on the ice.

- D0PPELGANGER


problem with your math is he is a $5 million dman now ... and will decline to 4,3,2,1,0

enjoy the ride down.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 10 @ 11:16 AM ET
problem with your math is he is a $5 million dman now ... and will decline to 4,3,2,1,0

enjoy the ride down.

- Tumbleweed



And Cowen is a 1.5 million dman now, Michaek is at best a 2 million forward now and Greening is an AHL making on a one way contract ............ so it balances off somewhat.


start your countdown now...........
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 12 grands is NOTHING in the art market.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Feb 10 @ 11:27 AM ET
In actual dollar amounts paid to Phaneuf, this was his second year of being paid 8 Million, with 2 Million already paid as signing bonus(by the leafs) last summer, and the remaining 6 Million over the season......so Ottawa pays less than 3 Million for this season, and his actual paid salary declines to 7.5, 7.0, 6.5, 6.5 & 5.5 for the remaining seasons ............ an average of 6.6 Million.

His presence in the line up, drops the remaining Dmen into positions/roles their better suited for, also Phaneauf is also better suited NOT in the top pairing..........so on paper it looks good, but let's see how it unfolds on the ice.

- D0PPELGANGER

must suck to have a cheap-ass owner that makes fans talk about actual dollar amounts instead of just cap hits
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 771 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Feb 10 @ 11:35 AM ET
must suck to have a cheap-ass owner that makes fans talk about actual dollar amounts instead of just cap hits
- Crimsoninja

There is a zero percent chance the Sens ever win the cup with that cheap dollar store owner.

Leafs, 100%
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Feb 10 @ 11:36 AM ET
And Cowen is a 1.5 million dman now, Michaek is at best a 2 million forward now and Greening is an AHL making on a one way contract ............ so it balances off somewhat.


start your countdown now...........

- D0PPELGANGER



1. The end


I think that's better than 1....2....3....4....5? Yeah?
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Feb 10 @ 11:52 AM ET
He is getting squeezed ,by two billionaires however in the stadium deal .They want to buy the team ,one is an Ottawa native,and have alot more money than the Euge .Money issues will vanish overnight if Euge sell the team to them,but he wont sell .Because he loves the team dispite his claims he loses tons of money on them............

- top shelf 15

D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 10 @ 12:16 PM ET
must suck to have a cheap-ass owner that makes fans talk about actual dollar amounts instead of just cap hits
- Crimsoninja



Some people were saying he's "too expensive" when looking just at the cap hit, when not looking more closely at the actual amount remaining on the contract.

It's not that hard to understand.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Feb 10 @ 12:21 PM ET
Some people were saying he's "too expensive" when looking just at the cap hit, when not looking more closely at the actual amount remaining on the contract.

It's not that hard to understand.

- D0PPELGANGER


So you're more concerned with the owners pocket than the team cap space?
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 12 grands is NOTHING in the art market.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Feb 10 @ 12:21 PM ET
So you're more concerned with the owners pocket than the team cap space?
- Pecafan Fan

i feel bad for sens fans
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i consider the complexity of the dungeons part of the difficulty, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 10 @ 12:35 PM ET
So you're more concerned with the owners pocket than the team cap space?
- Pecafan Fan


I think he's saying the Sens work on an internal budget of actual dollars. They don't worry about cap ceiling because they never reach the cap ceiling.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Feb 10 @ 1:29 PM ET
Some people were saying he's "too expensive" when looking just at the cap hit, when not looking more closely at the actual amount remaining on the contract.

It's not that hard to understand.

- D0PPELGANGER


but ... he's still too expensive when you look at actual dollars.

it's not that hard to understand.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 10 @ 3:37 PM ET
So you're more concerned with the owners pocket than the team cap space?
- Pecafan Fan


Just trying to see it from the owners POV, as it has been suggested that he was not happy paying Greening an NHL salary while playing in the AHL, and in the past was not to happy after Heatley cashed in on a 4 Million dollar bonus payment, and then asked to traded.

The Senators cap space grew a little (for this season) after this trade, and cap space for next year is also higher, allowing for Hoffmans new deal.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 10 @ 3:38 PM ET
but ... he's still too expensive when you look at actual dollars.

it's not that hard to understand.

- Tumbleweed


So they would have been better off paying Cowen to sit in the press-box, and paying Greening to play in the AHL.................. rather than playing Phaeauf to play every night in the NHL?
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Feb 10 @ 3:52 PM ET
So they would have been better off paying Cowen to sit in the press-box, and paying Greening to play in the AHL.................. rather than playing Phaeauf to play every night in the NHL?

- D0PPELGANGER


no - you're right, in the short term phaneuf is better than those guys.

long-term, the leafs completely bent you guys over to get rid of those bad contracts. phaneuf is going press box worthy soon enough.

burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Feb 10 @ 3:53 PM ET
Dhiren Mahiban @dcmahiban
New #Leafs prospect Lindberg on 1st practice: "A lot of skill work, which is new to me, we didn't really do that stuff a lot in Ottawa."



Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Feb 10 @ 4:02 PM ET
Dhiren Mahiban @dcmahiban
New #Leafs prospect Lindberg on 1st practice: "A lot of skill work, which is new to me, we didn't really do that stuff a lot in Ottawa."




- burn

Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 771 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Feb 10 @ 4:26 PM ET
Dhiren Mahiban @dcmahiban
New #Leafs prospect Lindberg on 1st practice: "A lot of skill work, which is new to me, we didn't really do that stuff a lot in Ottawa."




- burn



daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Feb 10 @ 4:30 PM ET
no - you're right, in the short term phaneuf is better than those guys.

long-term, the leafs completely bent you guys over to get rid of those bad contracts. phaneuf is going press box worthy soon enough.

- Tumbleweed

I don't really get this kind of talk. Phaneuf doesn't rely on speed and he doesn't have a history of injuries. He probably won't get much worse over the duration of his contract unless he starts having injury problems.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Feb 10 @ 5:15 PM ET
I don't really get this kind of talk. Phaneuf doesn't rely on speed and he doesn't have a history of injuries. He probably won't get much worse over the duration of his contract unless he starts having injury problems.
- daeth


he seems to be getting slower every year.

he's 30 years old and has played a lot hard hitting minutes. to me, most players start to decline around this age. i think it could be worse for him.

i'm glad we moved the contract more than the player.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Feb 10 @ 6:00 PM ET
leafs leveraging sens 50 contract limit

thanks for letting us free up a roster spot and sending frattin back to us
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Feb 11 @ 9:28 AM ET
what you saw from Dion last night is basically what you get.
Sens fans are probably going to hate him soon.
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Feb 11 @ 9:43 AM ET
Half will hate him and half will be all "he's decent but overpaid". Such is life.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Feb 11 @ 10:11 AM ET
Half will hate him and half will be all "he's decent but overpaid". Such is life.
- daeth


he's always been frustrating to watch.

his inconsistent play always led me to believe there was more to him. but he just couldn't put it all together.

now that's he's in his 30's and slowing down, things only get worse.



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