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D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jan 14 @ 1:25 PM ET
Yes. 3 games is a clear advantage and 2 are not. Also, this was your original post on the matter.

Currently the Boston Bruins with 47 points in 41 games (.5731) trail the Detroit Red Wings who have 51 points in 43 games (0.593).

Do you see the two games in hand the Bruins have as an advantage, or a disadvantage in their ability to over take the Red Wings in the Standings?

- golfingsince


So it does not matter if the Bruins win or lose those two games in hand, as you see them as not being an advantage?

The way I see it, is if they win those two games, while the Wings don't play (for sake of this example) the Bruins are then tied with the Wings (in points) and are now essentially both on the same starting line for the race towards the end of the season, instead of a few yards back of the starting line, if they had lost those games.

golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jan 14 @ 1:48 PM ET
So it does not matter if the Bruins win or lose those two games in hand, as you see them as not being an advantage?

The way I see it, is if they win those two games, while the Wings don't play (for sake of this example) the Bruins are then tied with the Wings (in points) and are now essentially both on the same starting line for the race towards the end of the season, instead of a few yards back of the starting line, if they had lost those games.

- D0PPELGANGER


So I just got blown but you have the potential to get blown.

I'd say I have the clear advantage.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 14 @ 2:55 PM ET
Toronto Marlies 30-7-2
Binghamton Senators 14-19-3
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jan 14 @ 3:46 PM ET
I'm NOT talking about P%, which is your record up to date, and have little to do with future games, as it's ALL games to date. Perhaps a P% over a teams past 10 games might give an indication how well a team is playing recently.


If the Habs have 5 games remaining, sitting 2 points back of the Penguins, who only have 3 games remaining, then the Habs have the potential to improve their relative position depending on the outcome of both theirs and the Penguins games.

Of course there will be other factors such as home ice advantage, days off between games, which teams both teams will be playing, injuries, travel and others.

But, if both teams win out their schedule, the Habs, by virtue of having more games to play, before the end of the season (not overall) will pass the Penguins in the standings.

Your failure to see this only enforces your ignorance of how the NHL schedule unfolds throughout the season, and when looking only at the points standings alone, and disregarding the difference in the number of games played when comparing two teams only gives you a partial perspective, not the true standings, and need to calculate winning and points percentage to give more clarity to the comparison of two teams at any given point in the season.

- D0PPELGANGER



burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jan 14 @ 3:50 PM ET
I'm NOT talking about P%, which is your record up to date, and have little to do with future games, as it's ALL games to date. Perhaps a P% over a teams past 10 games might give an indication how well a team is playing recently.


If the Habs have 5 games remaining, sitting 2 points back of the Penguins, who only have 3 games remaining, then the Habs have the potential to improve their relative position depending on the outcome of both theirs and the Penguins games.

Of course there will be other factors such as home ice advantage, days off between games, which teams both teams will be playing, injuries, travel and others.

But, if both teams win out their schedule, the Habs, by virtue of having more games to play, before the end of the season (not overall) will pass the Penguins in the standings.

Your failure to see this only enforces your ignorance of how the NHL schedule unfolds throughout the season, and when looking only at the points standings alone, and disregarding the difference in the number of games played when comparing two teams only gives you a partial perspective, not the true standings, and need to calculate winning and points percentage to give more clarity to the comparison of two teams at any given point in the season.

- D0PPELGANGER



Ummmm, yeah. I never said any of that, And you contradicted yourself from the fist sentence of this paragraph.

your ineptitude is hilarious.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jan 14 @ 3:56 PM ET
So it does not matter if the Bruins win or lose those two games in hand, as you see them as not being an advantage?

The way I see it, is if they win those two games, while the Wings don't play (for sake of this example) the Bruins are then tied with the Wings (in points) and are now essentially both on the same starting line for the race towards the end of the season, instead of a few yards back of the starting line, if they had lost those games.

- D0PPELGANGER



Boston wins their 2 games in hand they do not pass the wings, thus there is no advantage. The Bruins HAVE TO win both just to come even with the wings. There is no advantage.


By "essentially starting equal in the race towards the end" they haven't created an advantage. How do you not see it? They could lose both those games, that's not advantageous. They could win one and lose one in ot, that's not advantageous. They could win both and still not pass the wings, which is not advantageous.

Where is he advantage?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jan 14 @ 4:21 PM ET
So I just got blown but you have the potential to get blown.

I'd say I have the clear advantage.

- golfingsince


apples oranges
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jan 14 @ 4:25 PM ET
Boston wins their 2 games in hand they do not pass the wings, thus there is no advantage. The Bruins HAVE TO win both just to come even with the wings. There is no advantage.


By "essentially starting equal in the race towards the end" they haven't created an advantage. How do you not see it? They could lose both those games, that's not advantageous. They could win one and lose one in ot, that's not advantageous. They could win both and still not pass the wings, which is not advantageous.

Where is he advantage?

- burn



So, by your logic, the Bruins would be better off being 4 points back with no games in hand.

Also explain to me why the sports commentators, always mention "Games in hand" when in your mind there is no difference.

Lets wait until the final couple of weeks of the season, and see how many times you hear or read about games in hand, and magic numbers.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jan 14 @ 4:37 PM ET
So, by your logic, the Bruins would be better off being 4 points back with no games in hand.

Also explain to me why the sports commentators, always mention "Games in hand" when in your mind there is no difference.

Lets wait until the final couple of weeks of the season, and see how many times you hear or read about games in hand, and magic numbers.

- D0PPELGANGER



My logic? Where on earth do you get that that is my logic?

Being ahead in Pts is always preferable.

They mention games in hand becuase it's a relevant part of the picture. Them mentioning it doesn't mean they are saying there there is an advantage, it's just part of the story.

golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jan 14 @ 6:05 PM ET
So, by your logic, the Bruins would be better off being 4 points back with no games in hand.

Also explain to me why the sports commentators, always mention "Games in hand" when in your mind there is no difference.

Lets wait until the final couple of weeks of the season, and see how many times you hear or read about games in hand, and magic numbers.

- D0PPELGANGER


No, they just aren't better off being 4 points back with 2 games in hand. They are at best on equal footing.

To put in better perspective for you seeing as how you're being simple about it.

Team A is 4 points back with 2 games left on their schedule whereas team B has played all of their games. Team A owns the tiebreaker.

Team A loses the first game in hand.

The second game in hand doesn't even (frank)ing matter!!!!!
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 771 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Jan 14 @ 11:15 PM ET
Guaranteed pts > non guaranteed points
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 15 @ 8:33 AM ET
Guaranteed pts > non guaranteed points
- Cape Breton Bruins


Leafs > Sens
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jan 15 @ 9:38 AM ET
No, they just aren't better off being 4 points back with 2 games in hand. They are at best on equal footing.

To put in better perspective for you seeing as how you're being simple about it.

Team A is 4 points back with 2 games left on their schedule whereas team B has played all of their games. Team A owns the tiebreaker.

Team A loses the first game in hand.

The second game in hand doesn't even (frank)ing matter!!!!!

- golfingsince



So NOT knowing what you have to prepare for and accomplish in your last two games is not an advantage........

So if team A did NOT know they needed all four points to tie team B (and win the tie breaker) would they play the same type of game as if they did know?



golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jan 15 @ 10:11 AM ET
So NOT knowing what you have to prepare for and accomplish in your last two games is not an advantage........

So if team A did NOT know they needed all four points to tie team B (and win the tie breaker) would they play the same type of game as if they did know?

- D0PPELGANGER


Does it matter how they play if they only get 3/4 points? It's not an advantage at all.
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jan 15 @ 10:14 AM ET
stick to one liners, way less time wasted
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jan 15 @ 10:14 AM ET
LEAFS
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jan 15 @ 10:19 AM ET
So NOT knowing what you have to prepare for and accomplish in your last two games is not an advantage........

So if team A did NOT know they needed all four points to tie team B (and win the tie breaker) would they play the same type of game as if they did know?

- D0PPELGANGER



They'll try to win their games whether they has same amount of games left or if they have games in hand.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jan 15 @ 11:32 AM ET
They'll try to win their games whether they has same amount of games left or if they have games in hand.
- burn



Which team would you prefer to be, Team A (with four games remaining in the season) tied in Standing with Team B, who only have two games left in the season?
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jan 15 @ 11:37 AM ET
Which team would you prefer to be, Team A (with four games remaining in the season) tied in Standing with Team B, who only have two games left in the season?
- D0PPELGANGER



Oh so now they are tied and have 2 games in hand?


You're hilarious.
golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jan 15 @ 11:54 AM ET
Oh so now they are tied and have 2 games in hand?


You're hilarious.

- burn



It's incredible.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jan 15 @ 12:05 PM ET
Oh so now they are tied and have 2 games in hand?


You're hilarious.

- burn



Can't or won't answer the question?
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 12 grands is NOTHING in the art market.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jan 15 @ 12:12 PM ET
Can't or won't answer the question?
- D0PPELGANGER

Leafs
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jan 15 @ 2:09 PM ET
Can't or won't answer the question?
- D0PPELGANGER



There is no answer to such a Moronic question.


Why'd you change from 4pts back with 2 games in hand to tied with 2 games in hand?
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 771 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Jan 15 @ 3:25 PM ET
Leafs
- Crimsoninja

100%
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Jan 15 @ 11:02 PM ET
Toronto Marlies 30-7-2
Binghamton Senators 14-19-3

- senstroll


When Binghamton had a great team Sens fans could not shut-up about it
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