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senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 13 @ 12:10 PM ET
If this is true, Leafs are in a better situation... because Ceci is not very good.. and Sens are dumb

From Lebrun
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jan 13 @ 12:16 PM ET
If this is true, Leafs are in a better situation... because Ceci is not very good.. and Sens are dumb

From Lebrun

- senstroll


Drouin to Minny for Brodin.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jan 13 @ 12:19 PM ET
If this is true, Leafs are in a better situation... because Ceci is not very good.. and Sens are dumb


- senstroll

by what criteria are you rating NHL defencemen?
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jan 13 @ 12:21 PM ET
Again, over your head.


Currently the Boston Bruins with 47 points in 41 games (.5731) trail the Detroit Red Wings who have 51 points in 43 games (0.593).

Do you see the two games in hand the Bruins have as an advantage, or a disadvantage in their ability to over take the Red Wings in the Standings?

- D0PPELGANGER




OH god, not this again.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jan 13 @ 12:22 PM ET
OH god, not this again.
- burn


You couldn't answer the question either eh?
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jan 13 @ 12:24 PM ET
You couldn't answer the question either eh?
- D0PPELGANGER


Nor could you...
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jan 13 @ 12:36 PM ET
Nor could you...
- burn


I asked the question, you couldn't answer the question, or won't.......and that is an answer as it confirms what I've pointed out.

Thanks
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jan 13 @ 12:43 PM ET
I asked the question, you couldn't answer the question, or won't.......and that is an answer as it confirms what I've pointed out.

Thanks

- D0PPELGANGER



You have serious mental issues. You asked a question that there is no answer to. No one knows.


The problem with your question is that the Bruins would have to win BOTH their games in hand AND gain more pts in the final 39 games than the wings. There is no advantage there.

Based on your failed posts in the past (thinking pdo for the sens @7th is a good thing, p% posts in the past) I understand your lack of understanding on this issue.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 13 @ 1:29 PM ET
by what criteria are you rating NHL defencemen?
- D0PPELGANGER



plus minus and point %
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jan 13 @ 2:24 PM ET

Do you see the two games in hand the Bruins have as an advantage, or a disadvantage in their ability to over take the Red Wings in the Standings?

- D0PPELGANGER


All teams play the same number of games.
How could it be an advantage or a disadvantage?


This makes no sense at all.
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 771 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Jan 13 @ 2:36 PM ET
All teams play the same number of games.
How could it be an advantage or a disadvantage?


This makes no sense at all.

- Pecafan Fan

Also the Bruins have won two of their past nine games. I would state that any games played are a massive disadvantage right now.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jan 13 @ 2:49 PM ET
Again, over your head.


Currently the Boston Bruins with 47 points in 41 games (.5731) trail the Detroit Red Wings who have 51 points in 43 games (0.593).

Do you see the two games in hand the Bruins have as an advantage, or a disadvantage in their ability to over take the Red Wings in the Standings?

- D0PPELGANGER

Do you get a concussion from the stress of being proven wrong? It'd explain how you forgot all that I've taught you.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jan 14 @ 10:24 AM ET
You have serious mental issues. You asked a question that there is no answer to. No one knows.


The problem with your question is that the Bruins would have to win BOTH their games in hand AND gain more pts in the final 39 games than the wings. There is no advantage there.

Based on your failed posts in the past (thinking pdo for the sens @7th is a good thing, p% posts in the past) I understand your lack of understanding on this issue.

- burn


Again you, and others, assume to know what I think, and put your words in my mouth.

- If you don't have any games in hand, you have zero chance to win them and gain ground on the team you're chasing.

Do you realty believe a chance to gain ground on a team, by having more games to play before the end of the season makes no difference?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jan 14 @ 10:33 AM ET
All teams play the same number of games.
How could it be an advantage or a disadvantage?


This makes no sense at all.

- Pecafan Fan



If the Habs are two points back of the Penguins (for the last WC spot) with five games left in their season, while the Penguins only have three games left, do you not see that the Habs have an opportunity to gain 10 points, before the end of the season, while the Pens have only an opportunity to gain 6 points , before the end of the season ............ do you not think the Habs knowing what they have to do to get past the Penguins as an advantage?

It's like in Golf, when the "leader" is sitting in the clubhouse with a one stroke lead over a player, still on the course, one stroke back with three holes to play, knowing what he has to do to either tie and force a playoff, or to catch and pass the clubhouse leader.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jan 14 @ 10:36 AM ET
Do you get a concussion from the stress of being proven wrong? It'd explain how you forgot all that I've taught you.
- Feeling Glucky?


By not answering the question, because you know it will make my point, you too have actually answered.

Thanks for making my point.

I'll bet you also think that if you buy only one ticket for a 50/50 draw, you have the same odds of wining as someone who buys 5.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jan 14 @ 10:43 AM ET
If the Habs are two points back of the Penguins (for the last WC spot) with five games left in their season, while the Penguins only have three games left, do you not see that the Habs have an opportunity to gain 10 points, before the end of the season, while the Pens have only an opportunity to gain 6 points , before the end of the season ............ do you not think the Habs knowing what they have to do to get past the Penguins as an advantage?

It's like in Golf, when the "leader" is sitting in the clubhouse with a one stroke lead over a player, still on the course, one stroke back with three holes to play, knowing what he has to do to either tie and force a playoff, or to catch and pass the clubhouse leader.

- D0PPELGANGER


Yes you can pick up points in the games you did not play.

It's not an advantage by any means. You still have to win those games. Knowing that you HAVE to win those games doesn't count as an advantage at all.

D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jan 14 @ 10:54 AM ET
Yes you can pick up points in the games you did not play.

It's not an advantage by any means. You still have to win those games. Knowing that you HAVE to win those games doesn't count as an advantage at all.

- Pecafan Fan



So having five chances to pickup enough points to pass the Pens, while they only have three games left, having lost the two games the Habs have in hand, is not an advantage.

So I guess the Habs would not pull out all the stops, in those five games to gain ground on the Pens............. but would just play a conservative game.

Also having three holes left to play, with the golfer you're chasing is sitting in clubhouse it not an advantage. So I guess he'd play safe, and not try to get a birdie or two.


Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jan 14 @ 10:57 AM ET
So having five chances to pickup enough points to pass the Pens, while they only have three games left, having lost the two games the Habs have in hand, is not an advantage.

So I guess the Habs would not pull out all the stops, in those five games to gain ground on the Pens............. but would just play a conservative game.

Also having three holes left to play, with the golfer you're chasing is sitting in clubhouse it not an advantage. So I guess he'd play safe, and not try to get a birdie or two.

- D0PPELGANGER


No, it means the Habs didn't win enough games earlier in the year to be ahead of the Pens at this point of the season. It also means the Pens didn't win enough games to have a bigger lead on the Habs.

It's not an advantage. It's just mathematics.
golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jan 14 @ 10:57 AM ET
So having five chances to pickup enough points to pass the Pens, while they only have three games left, having lost the two games the Habs have in hand, is not an advantage.

So I guess the Habs would not pull out all the stops, in those five games to gain ground on the Pens............. but would just play a conservative game.

Also having three holes left to play, with the golfer you're chasing is sitting in clubhouse it not an advantage. So I guess he'd play safe, and not try to get a birdie or two.

- D0PPELGANGER


They don't have 5 games to pick up points, they have 2.

An example where games in hand are good is when you have 3 games in hand and only need 2 points to catch them. The example that you posted originally was 2 games in hand and needing 4 points, which is a clear disadvantage.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jan 14 @ 11:58 AM ET
Again you, and others, assume to know what I think, and put your words in my mouth.

- If you don't have any games in hand, you have zero chance to win them and gain ground on the team you're chasing.

Do you realty believe a chance to gain ground on a team, by having more games to play before the end of the season makes no difference?

- D0PPELGANGER



What did I assume you a think? What words did I put in your mouth?


If you are talking about pts% then games in hand is irrelevant. As I said in my post for games in hand to be of value in your scenario the Bruins would have to win both of the games they have in hand and still win more of their remaining games.

You have repeatedly demonstrated a clear lack of understanding. You're insistence in persisting is outright comical
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jan 14 @ 12:05 PM ET
So having five chances to pickup enough points to pass the Pens, while they only have three games left, having lost the two games the Habs have in hand, is not an advantage.

So I guess the Habs would not pull out all the stops, in those five games to gain ground on the Pens............. but would just play a conservative game.

Also having three holes left to play, with the golfer you're chasing is sitting in clubhouse it not an advantage. So I guess he'd play safe, and not try to get a birdie or two.

- D0PPELGANGER




The Habs would have to gain 3 pts just to catch up to the pens (that's 2games at least, leaving them at most 3games) and then they have to gain more pts in the final 3 games than the pens.


There is no advantage.

If the Habs gain 3pts from the games in hand and then they gain the same amount of pts in the final 3games as dos pens, who makes it? Surely becuase the Habs used their advantage to gain pts with their games in hand they get in?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jan 14 @ 12:42 PM ET
They don't have 5 games to pick up points, they have 2.

An example where games in hand are good is when you have 3 games in hand and only need 2 points to catch them. The example that you posted originally was 2 games in hand and needing 4 points, which is a clear disadvantage.

- golfingsince




If the Habs are two points back of the Penguins (for the last WC spot) with five games left in their season, while the Penguins only have three games left, do you not see that the Habs have an opportunity to gain 10 points, before the end of the season, while the Pens have only an opportunity to gain 6 points , before the end of the season ............ do you not think the Habs knowing what they have to do to get past the Penguins as an advantage?


- D0PPELGANGER



So three games in hand is and advantage, but two are not?
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 12 grands is NOTHING in the art market.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jan 14 @ 12:43 PM ET
this conversation is so dumb.

and that's saying alot in this thread
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jan 14 @ 12:58 PM ET
What did I assume you a think? What words did I put in your mouth?


If you are talking about pts% then games in hand is irrelevant. As I said in my post for games in hand to be of value in your scenario the Bruins would have to win both of the games they have in hand and still win more of their remaining games.

You have repeatedly demonstrated a clear lack of understanding. You're insistence in persisting is outright comical

- burn



I'm NOT talking about P%, which is your record up to date, and have little to do with future games, as it's ALL games to date. Perhaps a P% over a teams past 10 games might give an indication how well a team is playing recently.


If the Habs have 5 games remaining, sitting 2 points back of the Penguins, who only have 3 games remaining, then the Habs have the potential to improve their relative position depending on the outcome of both theirs and the Penguins games.

Of course there will be other factors such as home ice advantage, days off between games, which teams both teams will be playing, injuries, travel and others.

But, if both teams win out their schedule, the Habs, by virtue of having more games to play, before the end of the season (not overall) will pass the Penguins in the standings.

Your failure to see this only enforces your ignorance of how the NHL schedule unfolds throughout the season, and when looking only at the points standings alone, and disregarding the difference in the number of games played when comparing two teams only gives you a partial perspective, not the true standings, and need to calculate winning and points percentage to give more clarity to the comparison of two teams at any given point in the season.

golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jan 14 @ 1:11 PM ET
So three games in hand is and advantage, but two are not?
- D0PPELGANGER

Yes. 3 games is a clear advantage and 2 are not. Also, this was your original post on the matter.

Currently the Boston Bruins with 47 points in 41 games (.5731) trail the Detroit Red Wings who have 51 points in 43 games (0.593).

Do you see the two games in hand the Bruins have as an advantage, or a disadvantage in their ability to over take the Red Wings in the Standings?
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