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burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jan 2 @ 10:07 AM ET
If you mean covering up your spending mistakes by shipping out terrible contracts, taking one back and burying them in the AHL or on the IRL.......... then no, toronto has Ottawa beaten in that department,

But when you claim that the Sens have a "Cheap owner" and he's spending just 285K less than the leafs are, on their respective rosters, then you're not making a lot of sense, and seem to be misinformed.

Ottawa's overall salary total has risen as younger players re-sign in the off season, and that's the nature of any level headed re-build. Ottawa is a number of year ahead of where the leafs are, and they will do the same thing once their prospects on the AHL roster make it to the NHL club and move beyond their ELCs.

A few years ago leaf fans were crowing about their team spending to the Cap, as the way to go, and now that they've taken the same route as the Senators have taken, all of a sudden what the leafs are doing is the way to go.

Been there done that.......... Sens are in a better position than the leafs as they're a few years ahead in the same re-build route, and will contend for the Cup sooner.

- D0PPELGANGER



OH.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jan 2 @ 10:23 AM ET
Leafs actual salary cost: 83mil

Sens actual salary cost: 62mil


Leafs coach: 5mil


Sens coach: 0.99 store

Theyre totally the same.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Jan 2 @ 10:52 AM ET
If you mean covering up your spending mistakes by shipping out terrible contracts, taking one back and burying them in the AHL or on the IRL.......... then no, toronto has Ottawa beaten in that department,

But when you claim that the Sens have a "Cheap owner" and he's spending just 285K less than the leafs are, on their respective rosters, then you're not making a lot of sense, and seem to be misinformed.

Ottawa's overall salary total has risen as younger players re-sign in the off season, and that's the nature of any level headed re-build. Ottawa is a number of year ahead of where the leafs are, and they will do the same thing once their prospects on the AHL roster make it to the NHL club and move beyond their ELCs.

A few years ago leaf fans were crowing about their team spending to the Cap, as the way to go, and now that they've taken the same route as the Senators have taken, all of a sudden what the leafs are doing is the way to go.

Been there done that.......... Sens are in a better position than the leafs as they're a few years ahead in the same re-build route, and will contend for the Cup sooner.

- D0PPELGANGER


With what players?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jan 2 @ 2:12 PM ET
With what players?
- RogerRoeper


What players are the leafs going to have on their Cup contending team?
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 966 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Jan 2 @ 2:26 PM ET
What players are the leafs going to have on their Cup contending team?
- D0PPELGANGER

Mitch Marner taking a selfish penalty in the dying minutes of a game seven?
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Jan 2 @ 5:34 PM ET
What players are the leafs going to have on their Cup contending team?
- D0PPELGANGER


Marner/Nandeer/Rielly Dermott, Tamashov, Stamkos, the top 5 pick in 2016'.
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: when it's a 3 taco-bell town, maybe they'll be ready, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jan 2 @ 5:38 PM ET
Mitch Marner taking a selfish penalty in the dying minutes of a game seven?
- Cape Breton Bruins

nice, leafs are going to be in a game 7!
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 966 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Jan 2 @ 7:14 PM ET
nice, leafs are going to be in a game 7!
- daeth

Someday my friend, someday
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 2 @ 7:15 PM ET
Leafs
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 966 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Jan 2 @ 7:38 PM ET
Leafs
- senstroll

100%
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: when it's a 3 taco-bell town, maybe they'll be ready, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jan 2 @ 9:07 PM ET
Someday my friend, someday
- Cape Breton Bruins

i hear they are really good at those
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jan 2 @ 9:38 PM ET
Leafs
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jan 3 @ 12:33 PM ET
Was odd to see Andrew Raycroft playing in the "Alumni Game" and the next day seeing Tuuka Rask play in the "Heritage Classic".
ght120
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 06.27.2006

Jan 3 @ 1:18 PM ET
... Oh and Ottawa has 5.943 Million in Cap space, and the leafs have 5.658 Million, so a difference of 285K makes the leafs a Big spender, and the Sens "very cheap" ................yeah that makes sense
- D0PPELGANGER


So Ottawa "trying to win" is still below a team not trying to win, who have 9 million in one year roster filler deals and another 10+ million in contracts they would love to dump.

Yup, that is a "I want to win" owner.
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 966 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Jan 3 @ 4:20 PM ET
Nylander, Reilly, Marner and another top 6-10 pick this year tells me Leafs 100%

Especially when you factor in the Babcock and Stamkos effect.

senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 4 @ 9:14 AM ET
Nylander, Reilly, Marner and another top 6-10 pick this year tells me Leafs 100%

Especially when you factor in the Babcock and Stamkos effect.

- Cape Breton Bruins


I am worried the leafs will fall out of the bottom 10 teams now.
they have been playing very well. they are projecting to finish ahead of Ottawa now

D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jan 4 @ 9:35 AM ET
I am worried the leafs will fall out of the bottom 10 teams now.
they have been playing very well. they are projecting to finish ahead of Ottawa now

- senstroll



I think I may have said as much a few pages back.

Sens are in tough for the next couple of weeks vs the Blues, Panthers, Bruins, Caps and then on the Road vs all the California teams ........ always a tough road trip.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 4 @ 12:38 PM ET
I think I may have said as much a few pages back.

Sens are in tough for the next couple of weeks vs the Blues, Panthers, Bruins, Caps and then on the Road vs all the California teams ........ always a tough road trip.

- D0PPELGANGER


the sens are not a very good team...Decent offence, Karlsson is basically the only thing keeping them afloat..and Anderson. They bring back nightmares of the Carlyle leafs and the Mirage in the standings at this time of year.

they might have one of the worst coaches in the League.

Leafs are a better team in a better situation

http://www.marlies.ca/news/news.asp?story_id=3710
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jan 5 @ 9:53 AM ET
the sens are not a very good team...Decent offence, Karlsson is basically the only thing keeping them afloat..and Anderson. They bring back nightmares of the Carlyle leafs and the Mirage in the standings at this time of year.

they might have one of the worst coaches in the League.

Leafs are a better team in a better situation

http://www.marlies.ca/news/news.asp?story_id=3710

- senstroll



Dave Cameron has only coached 95 games in the NHL, and has a .611 P% so far.

There are only 6 active NHL coaches with a higher P% than Cameron, so your claim that he is "one of the worst coaches in the League" is very inaccurate, and usually you stand pretty strong on stats, but I think you may be a little biased on this one.


I think also that Mike Hoffman (15th in Points) and Bobby Ryan (13th in Points) might have a little more to do with how the Senators are playing than just the two you mentioned.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 5 @ 10:54 AM ET
Dave Cameron has only coached 95 games in the NHL, and has a .611 P% so far.

There are only 6 active NHL coaches with a higher P% than Cameron, so your claim that he is "one of the worst coaches in the League" is very inaccurate, and usually you stand pretty strong on stats, but I think you may be a little biased on this one.


I think also that Mike Hoffman (15th in Points) and Bobby Ryan (13th in Points) might have a little more to do with how the Senators are playing than just the two you mentioned.

- D0PPELGANGER


Points % is garbage info on todays NHL. you get points for losing a (frank)ing game
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jan 5 @ 11:56 AM ET
Points % is garbage info on todays NHL. you get points for losing a (frank)ing game
- senstroll


and the sens are VERY good at this.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 5 @ 12:07 PM ET
and the sens are VERY good at this.
- Pecafan Fan


the sens are 19-21

But Dave Cameron has a good point % = Good coach

ignore all the other red flags
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jan 5 @ 12:10 PM ET
the sens are 19-21

But Dave Cameron has a good point % = Good coach

ignore all the other red flags

- senstroll


watched them last night against the Blues.

Most undeserved win I've seen so far this season. Ridiculous.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 5 @ 12:22 PM ET
watched them last night against the Blues.

Most undeserved win I've seen so far this season. Ridiculous.

- Pecafan Fan



A quick look again at the numbers

PDO 101.3 (6th highest in NHL)
CF% 46.5 (29th)
SF% 45.4 (29th)
SOG differential -175 (30th)


PDO has dropped IIRC it was 103+..and naturally they have slid down the standings since.

the shot differentials would be a huge concern for me if I was a sens fan..but Luckily I am not... and Dave Cameron has a .611 P%
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jan 5 @ 1:26 PM ET
Points % is garbage info on todays NHL. you get points for losing a (frank)ing game
- senstroll


So a "good" Coach should not try to gain as many points as possible?
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