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D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 14 @ 4:07 PM ET
You failed to answer my question.

Are statkeepers at home running up the visitor's shot totals, making the whole team look bad, to make sure the goalie looked good?

- Feeling Glucky?


Does an inflated number of shots against (at home, with "homer" stats keeper) make HL's save percentage look better??

Check it out.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Dec 14 @ 4:09 PM ET
The Re-build is still in progress. Did you really think this team is not going to improve over the next few season?

The Defence Corp for example, is one of the youngest and least experienced in the League.

Marc Methot leads the team in regular season games played with 469, then comes Erik Karlsson with 427 , followed by Jared Cowen with 239, Patrick Wiercioch 181, Cody Ceci 159, Mark Borowiecki 114 and Chris Wideman with only 19.

- D0PPELGANGER

and the only one worth a damn doesn't play defense.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Dec 14 @ 4:10 PM ET
Does an inflated number of shots against (at home, with "homer" stats keeper) make HL's save percentage look better??

Check it out.

- D0PPELGANGER

So the stat keepers are purposely making the Rangers look worse at home?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Dec 14 @ 4:13 PM ET
Rangers at home: 29 shots against per game
Rangers on the road: 33 shots against per game


Dopps, I see your point. They're definitely inflating the shot numbers to make Lundqvist look better.


... did you check it out before telling me to check it out?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 14 @ 4:15 PM ET
You know very well Babcock was considered the best coach prior to coming to Toronto.
- RogerRoeper



He's top 3 I'd say.

Quenneville, Hitchcock, Babcock. No specific order. I don't care enough to post charts and graphs to support this though.

- daeth




List of top 10 Active Coaches in NHL ranked by Points Percentage

Bruce Boudreau .654
Dan Bylsma .653
Jeff Blashill .633
Dave Cameron .629
Todd McLellan .628
Mike Babcock .622
Joel Quenneville .615
Claude Julien .612
Ken Hitchcock .606
Mike Johnston .595


So perhaps the leafs should have gone after Dan Bylsma, and saved a few bucks, rather than pandering to their fan base who were demanding the Start Power that the media had pumped Babcock up to be.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Dec 14 @ 4:17 PM ET
Over the last 5 years:
Shots against per game at home: 28
Shots against per game on the road: 30


LOOK AT ALL THAT SKEWING!!!
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 14 @ 4:17 PM ET
The advanced stats say they are much better.
- RogerRoeper


do you mean luckier?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Dec 14 @ 4:18 PM ET
do you mean luckier?
- D0PPELGANGER

No, that would be the Sens.

Leafs were "luckier" in the past.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Dec 14 @ 4:21 PM ET
Dopps. Please explain to me how the stat keepers are inflating Henrik's stats. I'm still not getting it.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 14 @ 4:22 PM ET
No, that would be the Sens.

Leafs were "luckier" in the past.

- Feeling Glucky?



No luck on Saturday night, Sens hit two goal posts that would have perhaps tied the game.

Sens did not deserve to win, and full marks to the Habs, as both teams have top six players out of their respective line ups, and the Habs depth came through.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Dec 14 @ 4:23 PM ET
No luck on Saturday night, Sens hit two goal posts that would have perhaps tied the game.

Sens did not deserve to win, and full marks to the Habs, as both teams have top six players out of their respective line ups, and the Habs depth came through.

- D0PPELGANGER

ARE the SENS toast!?!?!?!??
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Dec 14 @ 4:25 PM ET
ARE the SENS toast!?!?!?!??
- Feeling Glucky?


More importantly, where are they in the power rankings?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 14 @ 4:28 PM ET
ARE the SENS toast!?!?!?!??
- Feeling Glucky?


No, they will eventually get their injured (veteran) players back, and get back to form sooner or later.......also Hammond will be available soon to spell Anderson once in while, or as needed.

Sens should complete for a divisional playoff spot, or at least a WC spot.

leafs are headed for the basement, and perhaps they can get a break in the lottery, and be in the Sens situation in 5 to 8 years from now.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Dec 14 @ 4:29 PM ET
No, they will eventually get their injured (veteran) players back, and get back to form sooner or later.......also Hammond will be available soon to spell Anderson once in while, or as needed.

Sens should complete for a divisional playoff spot, or at least a WC spot.

leafs are headed for the basement, and perhaps they can get a break in the lottery, and be in the Sens situation in 5 to 8 years from now.

- D0PPELGANGER

I think the Sens are just where they are in the standings because the statkeepers are favouring them.


CHECK IT OUT!
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 14 @ 4:29 PM ET
More importantly, where are they in the power rankings?
- Pecafan Fan


dropping after a terrible road trip.

MIKE ZEISBERGER'S WEEKLY NHL POWER RANKINGS

Last week's rankings in parentheses.

Saturday's games not included

1. Dallas Stars (1) Just 3 losses in 14 starts at home.

2. Washington Capitals (2) Justin Williams: Outstanding veteran presence.

3. Montreal Canadiens (3) Four-game losing skid entering play Sat.

4. Los Angeles Kings (6) Sizzling after sluggish start.

5. New York Rangers (4) Lit up for seven goals Fri. by Oilers.

6. New York Islanders (9) Halak, Greiss proving to be solid combo in goal.

7. Detroit Red Wings (14) Just 2 regulation losses in past 10.

8. Chicago Blackhawks (10) Panarin one of leading Calder candidates.

9. St. Louis Blues (5) Inconsistent goaltending of late.

10. Nashville Predators (11) Forsberg starting to find scoring touch.

11. Boston Bruins (12) Sub-.500 at home; brilliant on road.

12. Ottawa Senators (7) Hamburglar off DL.

13. Pittsburgh Penguins (8) With Johnston axed, players must step up.

14. Minnesota Wild (13) Outstanding 10-3-3 on home ice.

15. New Jersey Devils (21) Continue to be one of season's top surprises.

16. Tampa Bay Lightning (16) Tyler Johnson banged up again.

17. San Jose Sharks (15) Couture out less than a week after return.

18. Winnipeg Jets (18) Will pending UFAs Byfuglien, Ladd be back?

19. Vancouver Canucks (24) Sedins sipping from Fountain of Youth.

20. Philadelphia Flyers (22) D Shayne Gostisbehere a pleasant surprise.

21. Florida Panthers (17) Ageless Jagr moving up career scoring list.

22. Edmonton Oilers (28) Back in playoff hunt after huge home stand.

23. Arizona Coyotes (19) Domi takes puck to face and still hangs in.

24. Calgary Flames (26) Clawing their way back into contention.

25. Anaheim Ducks (20) Head coach Boudreau on hot seat.

26. Buffalo Sabres (23) Lost three straight entering play Sat.

27. Toronto Maple Leafs (27) Respectable 5-4-1 in past 10.

28. Colorado Avalanche (25) Too much talent to be this low.

29. Carolina Hurricanes (29) Huge 5-1 win in Anaheim Fri.

30. Columbus Blue Jackets (30) Bobrovsky sidelined for three weeks.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Dec 14 @ 4:30 PM ET
But seriously, if the Leafs are as bad as the Sens are this year in 2 years, I'd be pretty disappointed.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 14 @ 4:31 PM ET
I think the Sens are just where they are in the standings because the statkeepers are favouring them.


CHECK IT OUT!

- Feeling Glucky?


Do you see any difference between homer stats keepers, and NHL official score keepers?


D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 14 @ 4:32 PM ET
But seriously, if the Leafs are as bad as the Sens are this year in 2 years, I'd be pretty disappointed.
- Feeling Glucky?


daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: when it's a 3 taco-bell town, maybe they'll be ready, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Dec 14 @ 4:32 PM ET
List of top 10 Active Coaches in NHL ranked by Points Percentage

Bruce Boudreau .654
Dan Bylsma .653
Jeff Blashill .633
Dave Cameron .629
Todd McLellan .628
Mike Babcock .622
Joel Quenneville .615
Claude Julien .612
Ken Hitchcock .606
Mike Johnston .595


So perhaps the leafs should have gone after Dan Bylsma, and saved a few bucks, rather than pandering to their fan base who were demanding the Start Power that the media had pumped Babcock up to be.

- D0PPELGANGER

Bylsma has arguably seen his teams underachieve. With Buffalo we'll see if he can get a team to overachieve. So far.. no.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Dec 14 @ 4:33 PM ET
Do you see any difference between homer stats keepers, and NHL official score keepers?
- D0PPELGANGER

DID YOU CHECK IT OUT!???!?!??
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: when it's a 3 taco-bell town, maybe they'll be ready, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Dec 14 @ 4:34 PM ET
But seriously, if the Leafs are as bad as the Sens are this year in 2 years, I'd be pretty disappointed.
- Feeling Glucky?

They'll be that bad in 2 years odds are. That's when we should reasonably expect them to be a borderline playoff team.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Dec 14 @ 4:37 PM ET
They'll be that bad in 2 years odds are. That's when we should reasonably expect them to be a borderline playoff team.
- daeth


If the Leafs have a mediocre NHL roster, no quality prospects, cheap ownership, and a coach similar to Carlyle in 2 year's time, then Shanny will have been a failure.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 14 @ 4:41 PM ET
They'll be that bad in 2 years odds are. That's when we should reasonably expect them to be a borderline playoff team.
- daeth


That's a bit optimistic.

Ottawa's re-build started with the 2011 entry draft when they had three first round picks.

So I'd suggest that you give the leafs another three or four drafts before you start thinking you team will be strongly contending for a playoff spot.
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: when it's a 3 taco-bell town, maybe they'll be ready, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Dec 14 @ 4:41 PM ET
If the Leafs have a mediocre NHL roster, no quality prospects, cheap ownership, and a coach similar to Carlyle in 2 year's time, then Shanny will have been a failure.
- Feeling Glucky?



The cheap owner thing is a serious issue though. I wonder what the most cap space for a cup winning team has been so far.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Dec 14 @ 4:42 PM ET
Dopps, you still haven't explained how the New York stat keepers are trying to inflate Henrik's stats.

I'm dying to know here.
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