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daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: when it's a 3 taco-bell town, maybe they'll be ready, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Dec 14 @ 7:34 AM ET
Why do teams win more games at home than on the road? Could it simply be that teams play better at home than on the road? Nah, I bet those damn stats nerds are skewing the wins and losses. Makes way more sense.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 14 @ 9:09 AM ET
Ottawa Senators 0.5833 P% 14th overall
leafs 0.4464 P% 29th overll

Ottawa Senators in better position.


talk all you want about prospects and the AHL affiliates, this thread is about the NHL teams.

Ottawa went thought it's re-build a number of years ago, and the leafs just started theirs..... none of us can measure the future success either re-build, so speculation on the future is futile. leaf fans cannot accept the fact that over the past decade Ottawa has been the better team of the two, based on results on the NHL ice............so they keep telling everyone how much better their team will be in the future, and have been doing so for 10 years now................ still waiting.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 14 @ 9:11 AM ET
So what you're saying is the stat keepers are inflating the visiting team's shots for, making the home team look worse?
- Feeling Glucky?



did you miss the part where I mentioned Henrik Lundqvist?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 14 @ 9:18 AM ET
Why do teams win more games at home than on the road? Could it simply be that teams play better at home than on the road? Nah, I bet those damn stats nerds are skewing the wins and losses. Makes way more sense.
- daeth



Ottawa is 8-6-1 on the road, and 7-4-4 at home.
Boston is 10-2-2 on the road, and 6-7-1 at home
Florida is 7-6-2 on the road, and 7-6-2 at home
Philadelphia is 7-7-2 on the road, and 5-5-4 at home
Columbus is 7-10-0 on the road, and is 4-7-3 at home

That is only looking at the East
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: when it's a 3 taco-bell town, maybe they'll be ready, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Dec 14 @ 9:23 AM ET
Ottawa is 8-6-1 on the road, and 7-4-4 at home.
Boston is 10-2-2 on the road, and 6-7-1 at home
Florida is 7-6-2 on the road, and 7-6-2 at home
Philadelphia is 7-7-2 on the road, and 5-5-4 at home
Columbus is 7-10-0 on the road, and is 4-7-3 at home

That is only looking at the East

- D0PPELGANGER

Yes, those five teams really do prove that home teams don't win more often than road teams. The years of data probably going back to the start of the league are irrelevant because Florida has the same record home and away so far this year.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Dec 14 @ 10:43 AM ET
Their better young talent is currently playing on the team you big dunce... What do the Leafs have? Unproven talent, that is all...
- habman75


In the last post you responded about "Prospects" because clearly you had no idea what a good position the Leafs were in. Now you're changing the subject.

Organizations have different ideas about developing young talent. Connor Brown and William Nylander were the two best Leafs in the preseason and good enough to be in the NHL. The Leafs made a decision to let them develop more in the AHL.

To somehow argue because a player "Made" the NHl before another and therefore is proven, is silly. Noah Hanifin "Made" the Hurricanes at 18. I guarantee there's no way ell he would have stayed on the Leafs at 18 if he was chosen by them.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Dec 14 @ 10:47 AM ET
Ottawa Senators 0.5833 P% 14th overall
leafs 0.4464 P% 29th overll

Ottawa Senators in better position.


talk all you want about prospects and the AHL affiliates, this thread is about the NHL teams.

Ottawa went thought it's re-build a number of years ago, and the leafs just started theirs..... none of us can measure the future success either re-build, so speculation on the future is futile. leaf fans cannot accept the fact that over the past decade Ottawa has been the better team of the two, based on results on the NHL ice............so they keep telling everyone how much better their team will be in the future, and have been doing so for 10 years now................ still waiting.

- D0PPELGANGER


Yeah because the Leafs are way ahead of the Sens in prospects, that's why you don;'t want to discuss it. When this thread started, it was about prospects. All of a sudden we're not supposed to discuss it.

I had so many Senators fans tell me until the Leafs rebuild properly they won't win. Now they're doing that you guys no longer want to comment on it.

Over the past decade the Sens have been a far better organization than the Leafs. I have no issue admitting it. But in the end, there's no cup to show for it.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 14 @ 10:53 AM ET
Yeah because the Leafs are way ahead of the Sens in prospects, that's why you don;'t want to discuss it. When this thread started, it was about prospects. All of a sudden we're not supposed to discuss it.

I had so many Senators fans tell me until the Leafs rebuild properly they won't win. Now they're doing that you guys no longer want to comment on it.

Over the past decade the Sens have been a far better organization than the Leafs. I have no issue admitting it. But in the end, there's no cup to show for it.

- RogerRoeper



So I guess the only way this thread's question can be answered, is when one of the two Ontario based teams wins the Cup.

This thread will be around for a long time.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Dec 14 @ 10:55 AM ET
So I guess the only way this thread's question can be answered, is when one of the two Ontario based teams wins the Cup.

This thread will be around for a long time.

- D0PPELGANGER


I love the Leafs chances to be a true contender sooner rather than later. World's best coach, top prospect pool, top management team.

The Sens are stuck with a horrific, cheap owner.
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Dec 14 @ 10:58 AM ET
I love the Leafs chances to be a true contender sooner rather than later. World's best coach, top prospect pool, top management team.

The Sens are stuck with a horrific, cheap owner.

- RogerRoeper
Yep ,this team could be real good if we where just allowed .To shave the little deadwood we have and move forward
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 14 @ 11:07 AM ET
I love the Leafs chances to be a true contender sooner rather than later. World's best coach, top prospect pool, top management team.

The Sens are stuck with a horrific, cheap owner.

- RogerRoeper


By what measuring stick do you claim the leafs have the "top management team"?

Also, can you give us an timeline estimate as to when having the " top prospect pool " translates into being a "true contender"
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Dec 14 @ 11:14 AM ET
Two players that just need to go are Cowen and Weircioch ,they just arent good enough for the role we need them to play .Been the biggest issue with this team for the last few seasons
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 14 @ 11:29 AM ET
Two players that just need to go are Cowen and Weircioch ,they just arent good enough for the role we need them to play .Been the biggest issue with this team for the last few seasons
- top shelf 15



I would not give up on Cowen just yet. He's only played 239 regular season NHL games.

Zedno Chara only played 231 regular season games for the Islanders, before they "threw him in" the trade for Yashin.

They did not let him develop into the player he became.
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Dec 14 @ 11:31 AM ET
I would not give up on Cowen just yet. He's only played 239 regular season NHL games.

Zedno Chara only played 231 regular season games for the Islanders, before they "threw him in" the trade for Yashin.

They did not let him develop into the player he became.

- D0PPELGANGER
I know ,he could use more development time .Too bad about him crying about going back to bingo early in his career ,its really starting to show just how much more teaching needs to be done with him
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 14 @ 11:49 AM ET
I know ,he could use more development time .Too bad about him crying about going back to bingo early in his career ,its really starting to show just how much more teaching needs to be done with him

- top shelf 15



Don't know what you're talking about.

He only played in Binghamton right after his final season with Spokane ended, and that was in the playoffs..........so doubt that he whined about being part of a Calder Cup Championship???


Oh, he played 3 regular season games in Binghamton, when the NHL owners locked out the Players...........so there would not have been a reason to "cry" as you put it.

Actually hies exact words were “It’s been weird,”

http://www.torontosun.com...ck-to-binghamton-senators
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Dec 14 @ 12:14 PM ET
Their better young talent is currently playing on the team you big dunce... What do the Leafs have? Unproven talent, that is all...
- habman75



and they are a terrible team.

24th in Goals against
26th in shots per game
30th in shot differential by a large margin

so the Sens rebuild that started around 2011 has created a very average to below average team.

Karlsson is the best thing about the team.
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Dec 14 @ 12:14 PM ET
Don't know what you're talking about.

He only played in Binghamton right after his final season with Spokane ended, and that was in the playoffs..........so doubt that he whined about being part of a Calder Cup Championship???


Oh, he played 3 regular season games in Binghamton, when the NHL owners locked out the Players...........so there would not have been a reason to "cry" as you put it.

Actually hies exact words were “It’s been weird,”

http://www.torontosun.com...ck-to-binghamton-senators

- D0PPELGANGER
Whatever it was, he needed far more time down there to work on his game.
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 966 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Dec 14 @ 12:14 PM ET
and they are a terrible team.

24th in Goals against
26th in shots per game
30th in shot differential by a large margin

so the Sens rebuild that started around 2011 has created a very average to below average team.

Karlsson is the best thing about the team.

- senstroll

And let's face it, he's a mess.
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Dec 14 @ 12:17 PM ET
And let's face it, he's a mess.
- Cape Breton Bruins
The defense not being able to shoulder some of the offensive load ,is the issue
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Dec 14 @ 12:19 PM ET
The defense not being able to shoulder some of the offensive load ,is the issue
- top shelf 15


Can't believe all the ice time that (frank)ing plug Cowen gets...
Can't they just waive him and call someone up instead?
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Dec 14 @ 12:19 PM ET
And let's face it, he's a mess.
- Cape Breton Bruins


I dont see him as a mess.
feels a lot like the leafs and their best players...get poop on for not being everything all the time when the team is not doing so well.

He is just so much better than everyone else.
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Dec 14 @ 12:21 PM ET
and they are a terrible team.

24th in Goals against
26th in shots per game
30th in shot differential by a large margin

so the Sens rebuild that started around 2011 has created a very average to below average team.

Karlsson is the best thing about the team.

- senstroll
You make it sound as if we are done rebuilding, or developing our youth.Our team is littered with 20 year old first and second year players ,you seem to think that what a player does in the lower leagues automatically ensures the exact type of production at a higher level . Iam sure some of your kids will struggle with making the jump ,and have a hard time being consistant .But iam sure i wont be here belittling your team
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Dec 14 @ 12:23 PM ET
Can't believe all the ice time that (frank)ing plug Cowen gets...
Can't they just waive him and call someone up instead?

- Pecafan Fan
Thats been the biggest issue him and Wiercicoh just arent top 4 defensmen ,far too slow and cant play the puck .Makes our team so easy to forecheck its just not funny
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Dec 14 @ 12:26 PM ET
Thats been the biggest issue him and Wiercicoh just arent top 4 defensmen ,far too slow and cant play the puck .Makes our team so easy to forecheck its just not funny

- top shelf 15


He just runs around all over the place in his own end... unbelievable.
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Dec 14 @ 12:29 PM ET
He just runs around all over the place in his own end... unbelievable.
- Pecafan Fan
Yep that lack of a solid 2nd pair just opens up so many issues,we have a pretty good top pair ,a decent bottom pair (when playing bottom pairing mins) and we have Ceci .We spend some much time defending because of these two bums we can never maintain any offensive attack ,after EK leaves the ice
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