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sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Jul 5 @ 8:52 PM ET
No, if you look at it inteligently, Biggs is a bust and Erixon was a waiver pick up... Both Pittsburg prospects were highly regarded as of a minute before the trade went down.
- Schenn-Sational!


actually, harrington has been dropping as a prospect for the last couple of years, getting passed by multiple guys in pitt's depth chart. kapanen was viewed as pitt's best forward prospect, but that's because they had the worst prospect pool of forwards in the entire league. not a bad prospect, but certainly not a "can't miss" guy. he's an undersized player, who has been very disappointing since being drafted, both in europe and the world juniors.

the two were highly regarded in pitt's system, not 'league wide'......neither one even cracked the top 50 at hockeysfuture, and that doesn't even include the guys drafted this year.
golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jul 5 @ 9:26 PM ET
Perhaps you didn't understand the question asked to you..... I'll allow you time to go back and try to understand the question if you need to.
- burn


Great, CSI Kessel.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 5 @ 10:11 PM ET
Perhaps you didn't understand the question asked to you..... I'll allow you time to go back and try to understand the question if you need to.
- burn




you Bolded " as he did end up being a divisive player in the locker room in toronto too. " in my quote (below)


Will not be able to get one leaf fan to agree that trading away picks (Seguin & Hamilton) for Kessel was a bad deal for leafs, even now seeing what little they received in return for Kessel once they got rid of him.


Guess all the rumours about him in Boston were true, as he did end up being a divisive player in the locker room in toronto too.

But then you'll never hear a leaf fan admit that there (now in hindsight) was there was some merit to those Boston rumours, after all.
- D0PPELGANGER


then you asked for evidence.
I provided it.

Perhaps you need to go back a re-read what you quoted, and asked in your SUNDAY @ 9:19 AM ET post


Are you suggesting he was not a divisive person in the locker room?
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 12 grands is NOTHING in the art market.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 5 @ 10:14 PM ET
somehow i knew my post would be ignored
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jul 5 @ 10:35 PM ET
you Bolded " as he did end up being a divisive player in the locker room in toronto too. " in my quote (below)




then you asked for evidence.
I provided it.

Perhaps you need to go back a re-read what you quoted, and asked in your SUNDAY @ 9:19 AM ET post


Are you suggesting he was not a divisive person in the locker room?

- D0PPELGANGER



Where?
Schenn-Sational!
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sorry you don't understand...Y
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 6 @ 8:28 AM ET
actually, harrington has been dropping as a prospect for the last couple of years, getting passed by multiple guys in pitt's depth chart. kapanen was viewed as pitt's best forward prospect, but that's because they had the worst prospect pool of forwards in the entire league. not a bad prospect, but certainly not a "can't miss" guy. he's an undersized player, who has been very disappointing since being drafted, both in europe and the world juniors.

the two were highly regarded in pitt's system, not 'league wide'......neither one even cracked the top 50 at hockeysfuture, and that doesn't even include the guys drafted this year.

- sensarmy_11

according to Hockeys Future, Kapanen is more highly ranked than Connor Brown, who's in the top-50 list.

That top-50 list rarely makes sense, with the prospect's rankings in the list often not matching their individual ratings.

Leafs got Pittsburgh's top forward and 2nd best defensive prospects, along with a first.

More than many thought they'd get... though those same people are now saying it's not enough
Schenn-Sational!
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sorry you don't understand...Y
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 6 @ 8:30 AM ET
somehow i knew my post would be ignored
- Crimsoninja

don't worry, mine did too.


Leafs got more for Kessel than Ottawa did for Alfredsson, Spezza and Heatly combined, and he's trying to make the Leafs' return look bad, while ignoring those.
Schenn-Sational!
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sorry you don't understand...Y
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 6 @ 8:34 AM ET
I'm not saying that there isn't a "Vet" that might be worth a 1st round pick in a trade............But is there going to be a team, that thinks it's worth a 1st rounder for one of the leafs "Vets" AND ALSO has cap room that following season(s). ZERO teams are going to trade a 1st rounder for a "Vet" who's in thier last year of their contract (rental).

So either you are overrating the "Vets" on the leafs roster, or figure the planets are going to align for the leaf GM and there is a contender in need of a "Vet" who can make the space under the Cap (that may be going down?) and is also willing to shed a 1st rounder.

- Doppleganger

one of my favourites from early on, explaining how Kaberle wasn't worth a 1st rounder.


(Also got more than Alfy/Heatley/Spezza)
Schenn-Sational!
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sorry you don't understand...Y
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 6 @ 8:51 AM ET
Would the Senators have been better off with 3 time cup winner Marian Hossa, or Chiasson, Guptil and Paul?

sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Jul 6 @ 9:00 AM ET
Would the Senators have been better off with 3 time cup winner Marian Hossa, or Chiasson, Guptil and Paul?


- Schenn-Sational!


what does hossa have to do with the guys acquired in teh spezza trade.....
Schenn-Sational!
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sorry you don't understand...Y
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 6 @ 9:06 AM ET
what does hossa have to do with the guys acquired in teh spezza trade.....
- sensarmy_11



fine, Hossa or Mickhalek, Cheechoo, and a 2nd?



...you probably should have let that one slide.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 6 @ 9:08 AM ET
Would the Senators have been better off with 3 time cup winner Marian Hossa, or Chiasson, Guptil and Paul?


- Schenn-Sational!



Yes, the Hossa trade (for Heatley) one of the worst trades Ottawa ever made, once Heatley became the diva he did.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Jul 6 @ 9:23 AM ET


fine, Hossa or Mickhalek, Cheechoo, and a 2nd?



...you probably should have let that one slide.

- Schenn-Sational!


that's like me asking how much better the leafs would have been with scott neidermayer, instead of Kurvers............but by all means, keep living in the past if it helps you deal with absolute poop stain you have on the ice right now.
Schenn-Sational!
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sorry you don't understand...Y
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 6 @ 9:24 AM ET
that's like me asking how much better the leafs would have been with scott neidermayer, instead of Kurvers............but by all means, keep living in the past if it helps you deal with absolute poop stain you have on the ice right now.
- sensarmy_11

I think you missed the point.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Jul 6 @ 9:28 AM ET
I think you missed the point.
- Schenn-Sational!


what point, that ottawa made a bad trade a decade ago?

wow....great point
Schenn-Sational!
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sorry you don't understand...Y
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 6 @ 9:29 AM ET
what point, that ottawa made a bad trade a decade ago?

wow....great point

- sensarmy_11

put on your thinking cap.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Jul 6 @ 9:31 AM ET
put on your thinking cap.
- Schenn-Sational!


it's not required when reading or responding to your posts........all good
Schenn-Sational!
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sorry you don't understand...Y
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 6 @ 9:41 AM ET
it's not required when reading or responding to your posts........all good
- sensarmy_11

and yet, you can't figure out the point.


you're so close, but just missing it.
Schenn-Sational!
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sorry you don't understand...Y
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 6 @ 10:47 AM ET
Leafs just signed another 2016 draft pick
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jul 6 @ 10:51 AM ET
Will not be able to get one leaf fan to agree that trading away picks (Seguin & Hamilton) for Kessel was a bad deal for leafs, even now seeing what little they received in return for Kessel once they got rid of him.


Guess all the rumours about him in Boston were true, as he did end up being a divisive player in the locker room in toronto too.

But then you'll never hear a leaf fan admit that there (now in hindsight) was there was some merit to those Boston rumours, after all.

- D0PPELGANGER


a classic question: do you type with hooves?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 7 @ 6:21 AM ET
Would the Senators have been better off with 3 time cup winner Marian Hossa, or Chiasson, Guptil and Paul?


- Schenn-Sational!




Ottawa traded Hossa in the summer of 2005, that would have made Nick Paul 10 years old, and already drafted by the Dallas Stars.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=773805
Schenn-Sational!
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sorry you don't understand...Y
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 7 @ 11:15 AM ET
Ottawa traded Hossa in the summer of 2005, that would have made Nick Paul 10 years old, and already drafted by the Dallas Stars.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=773805

- D0PPELGANGER

oh wow!
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Jul 8 @ 8:56 AM ET
THe Leafs propect pool looks so much better now than it did this time last month.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jul 8 @ 8:57 AM ET
THe Leafs propect pool looks so much better now than it did this time last month.
- RogerRoeper

true.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 8 @ 11:16 AM ET
Leafs are in a better situation
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