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Mr_Squeaks
Ottawa Senators
Location: Location: Location: Glitch in
Joined: 06.26.2006

Mar 1 @ 9:23 AM ET
I hope to god that the Leafs goal 4-5 years from now isn't to be 11th worst team in the league. If it is they are doing something wrong.
- burn


Look at the Leafs over the past 15 years. They are doing something wrong.
BingoLady
Montreal Canadiens
Location: 13-2-1, NB
Joined: 07.15.2009

Mar 1 @ 9:29 AM ET
Still the Habs.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Mar 1 @ 3:19 PM ET
Was he playing injured last night?
- Doppleganger

No other explanation possible.
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007

Mar 1 @ 4:29 PM ET
Sens
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Mar 1 @ 6:40 PM ET
Well if you're a supporter of a tanking team, then that is how you may look at it.

However as the Senators have been re-building for a few years years now, their "goal" is different than the "goal" of leaf nation.


All of the Senator's young players are making great strides in their development, with a number of older players being our of the line up for extended periods of time, this experience they're getting has build up their confidence that they can play and play well at this level.


For example, Mike Hoffman leads ALL rookies with 23 goals, first in plus minus (+23 ) and is third in Rookie points this season, and Mark Stone is fourth in rookies points and is a +11 player.


Perhaps is four or five years from now the leaf will have a good number of drafted players in their line up and will be doing as well as the Senators are doing now.


Not every team is tanking for the draft, most are trying to win games and develop into contenders, and with that in perspective, Ottawa is miles and miles ahead of the leafs.

- Doppleganger


25 year old "Rookie"

prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Mar 1 @ 7:59 PM ET
Look at the Leafs over the past 15 years. They are doing something wrong.
- Mr_Squeaks


15 years ago they won the division, spanked the sens in the first round.
14 years ago they got the eighth seed, spanked the sens in the first round with a sweep.
13 years ago they were third in the conference, spanked the sens in the second round, lost in the conference finals to the cup champs.
12 years ago they finished second in the division and lost in the first round.
11 years ago they finished third in the conference, spanked the sens in the first round, lost in the second.
10 years ago was the lockout.

That seems like an odd period to reference and include, especially given the number of embarrassments they handed the sens.
golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Mar 1 @ 9:26 PM ET
I hope to god that the Leafs goal 4-5 years from now isn't to be 11th worst team in the league. If it is they are doing something wrong.
- burn


Considering they've been rebuilding for a decade 11th worst is something to aspire to.
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Mar 1 @ 11:02 PM ET
Sens
- the_cause2000

the leafs have looked good lately though
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Mar 2 @ 12:01 AM ET
I hope to god that the Leafs goal 4-5 years from now isn't to be 11th worst team in the league. If it is they are doing something wrong.
- burn



Why should they change the way they do things now?
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Mar 14 @ 2:35 PM ET
December 18 @ 12:01 AM ET


Bernier being injured was the final straw. They're not a good possession team, so they rely on maintaining a high PDO. Last season that was driven by Bernier being Bernier, and the top line being insane. Top line dried up, PDO started falling, Bernier got injured, it plummeted.



Hopefully this year's depth keeps that from happening, because their possession numbers still suck.

- Feeling Glucky?



What happened to the depth?

Or is it that Bernier along with Reimer, are both just Back ups?
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Mar 14 @ 2:42 PM ET
December 1 @ 4:04 PM ET


Perhaps you should pay a little more attention to the standings right now, as year after year, the teams in playoff positions just after US Thanksgivings are the almost always the teams that go on to the Playoffs at the end of the season. You should be felling good that the leafs are in a playoff spot today as the odds the make the playoffs is pretty good, just shy of 70%.
l

- Doppleganger



December 17 @ 10:50 AM ET

toronto has the best record in their division, and third best in the Conference.
They also have the best home record in their division, so if they can play .500 on the road (or better) for the remainder of the season, they're pretty much a lock for the playoffs





PITTSBURGH .733
NY ISLANDERS .677
toronto .661
MONTREAL .656
DETROIT .656
TAMPA BAY .652

- Doppleganger




daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Mar 14 @ 3:00 PM ET
the leafs have looked good lately though
- daeth

I'm still banking on a 13 game winning streak so I'm going with the Leafs again
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Mar 14 @ 3:10 PM ET
I'm still banking on a 13 game winning streak so I'm going with the Leafs again
- daeth



I caught that last 6 minutes of the leaf game last night, and did not notice Kessel once. Was he benched or something? He was a minus 3, and had 2 giveaways, and was wondering he was being sat.
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Mar 14 @ 5:24 PM ET
you saw more of the game than i did
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Mar 15 @ 8:03 AM ET
you saw more of the game than i did
- daeth



I don't blame you, I would have a hard time watching if the season was done a month ago too.

Maybe the leafs can lobby for a compressed 48 game season.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Mar 15 @ 8:16 AM ET
I don't blame you, I would have a hard time watching if the season was done a month ago too.

Maybe the leafs can lobby for a compressed 48 game season.

- Doppleganger


But you Still watch send games? The season has been done since Christmas.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 12 grands is NOTHING in the art market.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Mar 15 @ 8:19 AM ET
But you Still watch send games? The season has been done since Christmas.
- prock

the flyers will put the nail in the coffin tonight
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Mar 15 @ 8:36 AM ET
December 18 @ 12:01 AM ET





What happened to the depth?

Or is it that Bernier along with Reimer, are both just Back ups?

- Doppleganger

It failed. See how I said the awful possession numbers meant a collapse was likely again?
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Mar 15 @ 1:24 PM ET
I don't blame you, I would have a hard time watching if the season was done a month ago too.

Maybe the leafs can lobby for a compressed 48 game season.

- Doppleganger

when on-ice quality drops like we see with the leafs or senators i tend to watch games from more competitive teams instead. i am not just a leafs fan, i enjoy hockey in general, especially when played at a high level.
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Mar 15 @ 1:33 PM ET
the flyers will put the nail in the coffin tonight
- Crimsoninja
This i can see we are due, to get our asses kicked
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Mar 15 @ 2:02 PM ET
But you Still watch send games? The season has been done since Christmas.
- prock



Still watching as the games are highly entertaining and every player has bought into the coaches game plan and they're all carrying it out each and every game.

No loafers like there are on the leafs, chock full of players who're just gong though the motions and mailing it in, like Kessel, who floats back to maybe the blue-line when he "backchecks" while watching the opponents score on one of the leafs two back up goaltenders.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Mar 15 @ 2:04 PM ET
15 years ago they won the division, spanked the sens in the first round.
14 years ago they got the eighth seed, spanked the sens in the first round with a sweep.
13 years ago they were third in the conference, spanked the sens in the second round, lost in the conference finals to the cup champs.
12 years ago they finished second in the division and lost in the first round.
11 years ago they finished third in the conference, spanked the sens in the first round, lost in the second.
10 years ago was the lockout.

That seems like an odd period to reference and include, especially given the number of embarrassments they handed the sens.

- prock



Did they hang banners for each of those preliminary round wins?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Mar 15 @ 2:15 PM ET
Did they hang banners for each of those preliminary round wins?
- Doppleganger

No, because you dont hang banners for those. But even if they did, it wouldn't be as bad as hanging banners for a different team. One that moved to st Louis.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Mar 15 @ 7:24 PM ET
15 years ago they won the division, spanked the sens in the first round.
14 years ago they got the eighth seed, spanked the sens in the first round with a sweep.
13 years ago they were third in the conference, spanked the sens in the second round, lost in the conference finals to the cup champs.
12 years ago they finished second in the division and lost in the first round.
11 years ago they finished third in the conference, spanked the sens in the first round, lost in the second.
10 years ago was the lockout.

That seems like an odd period to reference and include, especially given the number of embarrassments they handed the sens.

- prock


Wow. The leafs have been terrible for the last 10 years.
golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Mar 15 @ 7:29 PM ET
Wow. The leafs have been terrible for the last 10 years.
- Pecafan Fan


It's OK.

NOW they're gonna rebuild.
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