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Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 18 @ 8:45 AM ET
Proof, or it didn't happen.

What was not to like?

- burn


How do you separate William Nylander’s sizzle from his fizzle?

In an informal survey of NHL scouts conducted by the Sun during the recent world junior championships, most of the hockey bird-dogs polled had pretty much the same observations regarding the Team Sweden star.

In fact, if you looked down at their notepads — or, in these modern times, iPads, as the case may be — you’d likely see a report along these lines:

- Remarkably skilled with the puck.

- Uninvolved without it.

n Needs to get bigger to withstand the rigours of the larger bodies and scaled-down rinks he’ll have to deal with on this side of the Atlantic.

When you take those reports into account, the logic of the Maple Leafs’ move on Monday to bring the highly touted Nylander to the American Hockey League’s Marlies from MoDo of the Swedish League makes perfect sense.

read it all at http://www.stcatharinesst...ylander-from-swedish-team





I heard this on one of those pre game banter sessions on Sportsnet I think, back when he was promoter from the SHL to the AHL.

What logical purpose would I have in making this up?

If they were pleased with what they saw of his game, in whole, at the WJC, then they would have left him in Sweden.


In any case, the leafs-braintrust finally did the right thing for this young mans' NHL development, and now he's on the right track. albeit a little late.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jan 18 @ 11:52 AM ET

How do you separate William Nylander’s sizzle from his fizzle?

In an informal survey of NHL scouts conducted by the Sun during the recent world junior championships, most of the hockey bird-dogs polled had pretty much the same observations regarding the Team Sweden star.

In fact, if you looked down at their notepads — or, in these modern times, iPads, as the case may be — you’d likely see a report along these lines:

- Remarkably skilled with the puck.

- Uninvolved without it.

n Needs to get bigger to withstand the rigours of the larger bodies and scaled-down rinks he’ll have to deal with on this side of the Atlantic.

When you take those reports into account, the logic of the Maple Leafs’ move on Monday to bring the highly touted Nylander to the American Hockey League’s Marlies from MoDo of the Swedish League makes perfect sense.

read it all at http://www.stcatharinesst...ylander-from-swedish-team





I heard this on one of those pre game banter sessions on Sportsnet I think, back when he was promoter from the SHL to the AHL.

What logical purpose would I have in making this up?

If they were pleased with what they saw of his game, in whole, at the WJC, then they would have left him in Sweden.


In any case, the leafs-braintrust finally did the right thing for this young mans' NHL development, and now he's on the right track. albeit a little late.

- Doppleganger


Quote from the leafs management that says what you said they said or (frank) off.

Them bringing him over to the AHL had nothing to do with the WJC. It had to do with him playing for a poor club team, that just had their coach fired and him producing elite level and deciding that the mess of the team he was on and his production to that point meant he was better off moving on.


He played fantastic in the WJC. He had a great showing.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 18 @ 4:33 PM ET
Quote from the leafs management that says what you said they said or (frank) off.

Them bringing him over to the AHL had nothing to do with the WJC. It had to do with him playing for a poor club team, that just had their coach fired and him producing elite level and deciding that the mess of the team he was on and his production to that point meant he was better off moving on.


He played fantastic in the WJC. He had a great showing.

- burn



Not according to all the stouts that were surveyed by Mike Zeisberger




By Mike Zeisberger, Toronto Sun

Monday, January 12, 2015 11:09:29 EST PM


In an informal survey of NHL scouts conducted by the Sun during the recent world junior championships, most of the hockey bird-dogs polled had pretty much the same observations regarding the Team Sweden star.

In fact, if you looked down at their notepads — or, in these modern times, iPads, as the case may be — you’d likely see a report along these lines:

- Remarkably skilled with the puck.

- Uninvolved without it.



You can continue to delude yourself, thinking that you know more than these NHL Scouts, if you wish.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jan 18 @ 5:10 PM ET
Not according to all the stouts that were surveyed by Mike Zeisberger




By Mike Zeisberger, Toronto Sun

Monday, January 12, 2015 11:09:29 EST PM


In an informal survey of NHL scouts conducted by the Sun during the recent world junior championships, most of the hockey bird-dogs polled had pretty much the same observations regarding the Team Sweden star.

In fact, if you looked down at their notepads — or, in these modern times, iPads, as the case may be — you’d likely see a report along these lines:

- Remarkably skilled with the puck.

- Uninvolved without it.



You can continue to delude yourself, thinking that you know more than these NHL Scouts, if you wish.

- Doppleganger



He was 2nd in tourney scoring..... Yeah he was terrible.

He had a great tournament. It's no surprise that an 18yr old skilled player has work to do away from the puck.

Are you going to continue to ignore the request to post a quote from the leafs management that you claim they said? I suspect you will.


Oh and new prospect ranking from pronman has nylander listed as #1.

He's terrible though.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jan 18 @ 5:13 PM ET
Not according to all the stouts that were surveyed by Mike Zeisberger




By Mike Zeisberger, Toronto Sun

Monday, January 12, 2015 11:09:29 EST PM


In an informal survey of NHL scouts conducted by the Sun during the recent world junior championships, most of the hockey bird-dogs polled had pretty much the same observations regarding the Team Sweden star.

In fact, if you looked down at their notepads — or, in these modern times, iPads, as the case may be — you’d likely see a report along these lines:

- Remarkably skilled with the puck.

- Uninvolved without it.



You can continue to delude yourself, thinking that you know more than these NHL Scouts, if you wish.

- Doppleganger



Yeah they said he has thing to work on big surprise. Did they say he was terrible?

2nd in tourney scoring..... He had a great tournament.

How funny is it that you say the scouts said he wasn't good, and the quote you copied from the article says he's remarkably skilled with the puck......but the scouts surveyed say he sucked.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 12 grands is NOTHING in the art market.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jan 18 @ 5:19 PM ET
Yeah they said he has thing to work on big surprise. Did they say he was terrible?

2nd in tourney scoring..... He had a great tournament.

How funny is it that you say the scouts said he wasn't good, and the quote you copied from the article says he's remarkably skilled with the puck......but the scouts surveyed say he sucked.

- burn

they didnt say he "sucked"

they said his uninvolved with the puck.
i suggest taking a reading comprehension class.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jan 18 @ 6:24 PM ET
they didnt say he "sucked"

they said his uninvolved with the puck.
i suggest taking a reading comprehension class.

- Crimsoninja

UGesque
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jan 18 @ 7:04 PM ET
they didnt say he "sucked"

they said his uninvolved with the puck.
i suggest taking a reading comprehension class.

- Crimsoninja



He was fantastic, 2nd in pts for the tourney, but not according to the scouts (not what the quote says, but whatever).

Also dopes said that leafs management said "X" and has been asked several times to provide a quote of this, and has not been able to do so.


Perhaps someone else needs reading comprehension.
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Drink full, and descend, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jan 18 @ 10:22 PM ET
yeah but WHO is currently in a better situation?

WHO

think about it
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jan 19 @ 8:15 AM ET
yeah but WHO is currently in a better situation?

WHO

think about it

- daeth

Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 19 @ 8:29 AM ET
He was fantastic, 2nd in pts for the tourney, but not according to the scouts (not what the quote says, but whatever).

Also dopes said that leafs management said "X" and has been asked several times to provide a quote of this, and has not been able to do so.


Perhaps someone else needs reading comprehension.

- burn




No I guess you are right, there probably was no one from the leafs management brain trust at any of the games held at the ACC. And they were absolutely fine with with his play in Modo, and did not see anything wrong with his development.





However, in the real world, when watching Mike Zeisberger, of the toronto Sun, on Sportsnet, saying that he surveyed a number of the NHL scouts in attendance at the WJC, leafs scouts included, that it was evident they were not happy with his play away from the puck, and that this lead to the leafs management brain trust to rethink their original decision to send him to the SHL.

You should be happy that the leafs management brain trust finaly have set things right. If they were happy with every aspect of his game, then why would they move him up to the AHL?

By Mike Zeisberger, toronto Sun

Monday, January 12, 2015 11:09:29 EST PM


In an informal survey of NHL scouts conducted by the Sun during the recent world junior championships, most of the hockey bird-dogs polled had pretty much the same observations regarding the Team Sweden star.

In fact, if you looked down at their notepads — or, in these modern times, iPads, as the case may be — you’d likely see a report along these lines:

- Remarkably skilled with the puck.

- Uninvolved without it.



You can continue to delude yourself, thinking that you know more than these NHL Scouts, if you wish.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 19 @ 8:37 AM ET
yeah but WHO is currently in a better situation?

WHO

think about it

- daeth



Wednesdays' game might settle that, for the time being. Neither team is on track to make the playoffs, now that the leafs have plummeted down to reality after sitting fourth in the Conference (second in the Division) just over a month ago
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jan 19 @ 8:47 AM ET
yeah but WHO is currently in a better situation?

WHO

think about it

- daeth

Same as always, the Leafs.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 19 @ 8:54 AM ET
Zeisberger sucks..do you have another go to for comments on Willie?
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 19 @ 9:04 AM ET
Here is Mirtle's take

http://www.theglobeandmai...xt-level/article22417364/

Nylander, 18, has three things working against him making the big leap to the NHL, something he’s not expected to do until next season at the earliest.

His lack of a refined defensive game and lack of size are two key factors, as he is under six feet and only about 175 pounds.

The other this is learning the North American game, which includes not only the smaller rink – something that should be less of a problem given he grew up in Canada and the U.S. while his father was playing in the NHL – but also handling the physicality.

It’s there the Leafs brass have some concerns.


Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jan 19 @ 9:12 AM ET
Here is Mirtle's take

http://www.theglobeandmai...xt-level/article22417364/

- senstroll


Mirtle's a clown
-burn
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jan 19 @ 9:48 AM ET
2 Prospect Rankings out yesterday
Button and Pronman

Button has Domi at #1

no sens on either list?

http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hoc...liated-prospects-1.183391


Corey Pronman's Top 50 NHL Prospects
Rank Player Position Team Previous Rank
1 William Nylander C Toronto Maple Leafs 4
2 Sam Reinhart C Buffalo Sabres 5
3 Nikolaj Ehlers LW Winnipeg Jets 6
4 Sam Bennett C Calgary Flames 3
5 Max Domi C/W Arizona Coyotes 27
6 Kevin Fiala LW Nashville Predators 7
7 Jakub Vrana LW Washington Capitals 32
8 Derrick Pouliot D Pittsburgh Penguins 29
9 Darnell Nurse D Edmonton Oilers 23
10 Nic Petan C Winnipeg Jets 24
11 Michael Dal Colle LW New York Islanders 9
12 Anthony Duclair RW New York Rangers HM
13 Josh Morrissey D Winnipeg Jets 18
14 Kasperi Kapanen RW Pittsburgh Penguins 15
15 Pavel Buchnevich RW New York Rangers 25
16 Dylan Larkin C Detroit Red Wings HM
17 Robby Fabbri C St. Louis Blues 35
18 Griffin Reinhart D New York Islanders 20
19 Jake Virtanen RW Vancouver Canucks 26
20 Mathew Dumba D Minnesota Wild 45
21 Sonny Milano LW Columbus Blue Jackets 30
22 Haydn Fleury D Carolina Hurricanes 13
23 Vlad Kamenev C Nashville Predators NR
24 Ville Pokka D Chicago Blackhawks 41
25 Alex Khoklachev C/W Boston Bruins 55
26 Charles Hudon LW Montreal Canadiens NR
27 Brayden Point C Tampa Bay Lightning 87
28 Anthony Mantha LW Detroit Red Wings 33
29 Riley Barber RW Washington Capitals 37
30 Alex Tuch RW Minnesota Wild 89
31 Joe Hicketts D Detroit Red Wings IE
32 Ty Rattie RW St. Louis Blues 61
33 Joel Armia RW Buffalo Sabres 60
34 Axel Holmstrom C Detroit Red Wings NR
35 Travis Sanheim D Philadelphia Flyers 100
36 Josh Ho-Sang C New York Islanders 84
37 Ivan Barbashev C St. Louis Blues 67
38 Oliver Bjorkstrand RW Columbus Blue Jackets 86
39 Brendan Perlini LW Arizona Coyotes 38
40 Nick Schmaltz C Chicago Blackhawks HM
41 Shea Theodore D Anaheim Ducks NR
42 Steven Santini D New Jersey Devils 56
43 Chris Bigras D Colorado Avalanche 47
44 Nikolay Goldobin RW San Jose Sharks HM
45 Madison Bowey D Washington Capitals 97
46 Robert Hagg D Philadelphia Flyers 88
47 Michael Matheson D Florida Panthers 63
48 Julius Honka D Dallas Stars NR
49 Nikita Scherbak RW Montreal Canadiens 92
50 Nick Ritchie LW Anaheim Ducks 68

- senstroll


The fact that Detroit has 4 guys on that list is the true sign of how pathetic and bush league the Leafs are compared to actual contenders.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 19 @ 9:55 AM ET
The fact that Detroit has 4 guys on that list is the true sign of how pathetic and bush league the Leafs are compared to actual contenders.
- the_cause2000


yup..they have been abysmal

i beleive thats going to change... the focus on drafting and development is changing..it will just take years to be realized
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jan 19 @ 9:56 AM ET
yup..they have been abysmal

i beleive thats going to change... the focus on drafting and development is changing..it will just take years to be realized

- senstroll

ya ya we're good
golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jan 19 @ 10:55 AM ET
Clearly they both suck.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 19 @ 3:04 PM ET
Hearing lots of leafs trade rumours involving Dion Phaneuf,Phil Kessel & Joffrey Lupul.

Might be a sign that the leaf are leaning towards being sellers at the trade deadline.......but probably mostly rumours though, as this is part of the soap opera that happens when the same team starts the season strong, and then coming crashing right back down to earth again, like last year.


http://www.thespec.com/sp...rl-around-slumping-leafs/

Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 771 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Jan 19 @ 3:06 PM ET
So if Bernier being injured was the big reason why they tanked last year what's the reason this year?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jan 19 @ 3:06 PM ET
Hearing lots of leafs trade rumours involving Dion Phaneuf,Phil Kessel & Joffrey Lupul.

Might be a sign that the leaf are leaning towards being sellers at the trade deadline.......but probably mostly rumours though, as this is part of the soap opera that happens when the same team starts the season strong, and then coming crashing right back down to earth again, like last year.


http://www.thespec.com/sp...rl-around-slumping-leafs/

- Doppleganger

In any case, the Leafs are clearly in a better position
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jan 19 @ 3:07 PM ET
So if Bernier being injured was the big reason why they tanked last year what's the reason this year?
- Cape Breton Bruins


Carlyle, bro.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jan 19 @ 3:09 PM ET
So if Bernier being injured was the big reason why they tanked last year what's the reason this year?
- Cape Breton Bruins

Carlyle, who was the problem last year, too.


Bernier's injury wasn't the sole reason the Leafs ranked, it was the straw that broke the camel's back.
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