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sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Sep 25 @ 2:54 PM ET
but to be fair Kadri was on for ALL 3 goals
- senstroll


and cowen wasn't on for any................. it's settled, cowen >>>> kadri
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Sep 25 @ 2:54 PM ET
but to be fair Kadri was on for ALL 3 goals
- senstroll


SO WAS BOBBY RYAN!!!!









TROOOOLOLOLOL!
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Sep 25 @ 3:24 PM ET
and where are you getting this information? please provide a link
- sensarmy_11



http://theahl.com/stats/g...e.php?seasonId=43&id=4514

12 of 19.

Suck it.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Sep 25 @ 3:25 PM ET
A quick look at each players resumes' tell a different story.

One player has gone all the way in the CHL and the Memorial Cup........both the great preperation for the NHL, the other has little playing time in the North American environment



William Nylander
Center
Born May 1 1996 -- Calgary, ALTA
Height 5.11 -- Weight 174 -- Shoots R


Selected by Toronto Maple Leafs round 1 #8 overall 2014 NHL Entry Draft

--- Regular Season --- ---- Playoffs ----
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2012-13 Sodertalje SK Swe-1 8 4 2 6 2
2013-14 Sodertalje SK Swe-1 17 11 8 19 6
2013-14 Rogle BK Swe-1 18 4 4 8 10
2013-14 Modo Hockey Ornskoldsvik SweHL 22 1 6 7 6 -- -- -- -- --
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Curtis Lazar
Center
Born Feb 2 1995 -- Vernon, BC
Height 6.00 -- Weight 205 -- Shoots R


Selected by Ottawa Senators round 1 #17 overall 2013 NHL Entry Draft

--- Regular Season --- ---- Playoffs ----
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2010-11 Edmonton Oil Kings WHL 6 0 1 1 0 4 1 0 1 0
2011-12 Edmonton Oil Kings WHL 63 20 11 31 56 20 8 11 19 4
2012-13 Edmonton Oil Kings WHL 72 38 23 61 47 22 9 2 11 20
2013-14 Edmonton Oil Kings WHL 58 41 35 76 30 21 10 12 22 12

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------




- Doppleganger


Yes, we know he was a passenger on the Mem Cup team.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Sep 25 @ 3:51 PM ET
Yes, we know he was a passenger on the Mem Cup team.
- prock



Yeah the Guy who scored the OT winner for the Oil Kings 2:42 into the third overtime of the semifinal against Foreurs goalie and leaf prospect Bibeau , and then went on to win the Memorial Cup, was a passenger, made no difference in the tournament.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Sep 25 @ 3:55 PM ET
Yeah the Guy who scored the OT winner for the Oil Kings 2:42 into the third overtime of the semifinal against Foreurs goalie and leaf prospect Bibeau , and then went on to win the Memorial Cup, was a passenger, made no difference in the tournament.

- Doppleganger



I have a funny feeling that last year at this time, you wouldn’t have made the same comments about the Leafs picking up Dave Bolland, who scored the game winning goal in Game 6 of the Stanley Cup final against Boston.

Wasn’t Bibeau named the goalie of the tourney?

Surely Lazar was named the best forward?
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Sep 25 @ 4:19 PM ET
http://theahl.com/stats/g...e.php?seasonId=43&id=4514

12 of 19.

Suck it.

- prock


suck what? nowhere in your link does it break down primary vs secondary
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Sep 25 @ 4:21 PM ET
suck what? nowhere in your link does it break down primary vs secondary
- sensarmy_11

prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Sep 25 @ 4:43 PM ET
suck what? nowhere in your link does it break down primary vs secondary
- sensarmy_11



go and count them. 12 first, 7 second.

Suck it.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Sep 25 @ 5:12 PM ET
go and count them. 12 first, 7 second.

Suck it.

- prock


so, nearly 40% of his assists were secondary assists. i said a good number of them, and 40% is a good number.......thanks for proving my point, appreciate your effort on my behalf
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 25 @ 7:00 PM ET
You realize when you hype the kid this way, you raise expectations and the possibility that the kid will disappoint because he is not an instant superstar.
- spatso

I don't expect him to play in the NHL this year. Might get some time next season.


Not expecting an instant super star... just expect him to be better than ottawa's golden 2nd/3rd line prospect.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Sep 25 @ 8:52 PM ET
I don't expect him to play in the NHL this year. Might get some time next season.


Not expecting an instant super star... just expect him to be better than ottawa's golden 2nd/3rd line prospect.

- Feeling Glucky?



So overhyped. How many kids playing second fiddle on their junior team have seen get this much hype before???
golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Sep 25 @ 8:58 PM ET
So overhyped. How many kids playing second fiddle on their junior team have seen get this much hype before???
- prock


Drouin ?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Sep 25 @ 9:31 PM ET
Drouin ?
- golfingsince


True. Drouin doesn't lead his team at all. Ehlers is the obvious obvious choice.
golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Sep 25 @ 9:36 PM ET
True. Drouin doesn't lead his team at all. Ehlers is the obvious obvious choice.
- prock


Yeah, last year's Calder winner had nothing to do with it.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Sep 25 @ 9:47 PM ET
Yeah, last year's Calder winner had nothing to do with it.
- golfingsince


I'm pretty sure he didn't have anything to do with Halifax being one of the best teams in the league this year.
golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Sep 25 @ 9:53 PM ET
I'm pretty sure he didn't have anything to do with Halifax being one of the best teams in the league this year.
- prock


So 2 examples from one team alone. Well done Prock, you've successfully argued against yourself..........again.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Sep 25 @ 10:56 PM ET
So 2 examples from one team alone. Well done Prock, you've successfully argued against yourself..........again.
- golfingsince


Maybe I have to spell it out for you. Not surprising.

Drouin was the key to one of the top teams in the league this year, and was, without a doubt, not second fiddle to anyone.

He put up massive points last year, even with MacKinnon in the team, and was frequently talked about as a potential number one pick even last year. I wouldnt say either MacKinnon or drouin played second fiddle last year.

Lazar was, without a doubt, second fiddle, if even that, to Henrik Samuelson this past year. Hell, third when you consider the role griffin Reinhart played, and maybe even further considering what kulda did in the playoffs and mem cup.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 26 @ 8:53 AM ET
Maybe I have to spell it out for you. Not surprising.

Drouin was the key to one of the top teams in the league this year, and was, without a doubt, not second fiddle to anyone.

He put up massive points last year, even with MacKinnon in the team, and was frequently talked about as a potential number one pick even last year. I wouldnt say either MacKinnon or drouin played second fiddle last year.

Lazar was, without a doubt, second fiddle, if even that, to Henrik Samuelson this past year. Hell, third when you consider the role griffin Reinhart played, and maybe even further considering what kulda did in the playoffs and mem cup.

- prock



Beyond idiotic. Now your even arguing with the reasoning of the coach of the Memorial Cup champions. Samuelson did not even get the invite to play for Team USA at the WJC. Just about every coach has said about Lazar:

“Curtis is one of those players that at the end of the night, you look at the scoresheet you might not see his name, but you look back at the game tape and he did a lot of things.”

In addition to actually putting up great numbers he plays a 200' game. He is as valuable for his ability to shut down and out score the opposing teams top player.

I keep forgetting you think Bozak is better than Turris.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Sep 26 @ 9:04 AM ET
Beyond idiotic. Now your even arguing with the reasoning of the coach of the Memorial Cup champions. Samuelson did not even get the invite to play for Team USA at the WJC. Just about every coach has said about Lazar:

“Curtis is one of those players that at the end of the night, you look at the scoresheet you might not see his name, but you look back at the game tape and he did a lot of things.”

In addition to actually putting up great numbers he plays a 200' game. He is as valuable for his ability to shut down and out score the opposing teams top player.

- spatso


How lovely. That's exactly why he's third or fourth fiddle. There were several other players that were on that team that you DO see on the score sheet and KNOW they were awesome.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 26 @ 9:05 AM ET
[quote=prock]

Speechless! Wonderful!
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Sep 26 @ 9:15 AM ET
How lovely. That's exactly why he's third or fourth fiddle. There were several other players that were on that team that you DO see on the score sheet and KNOW they were awesome.
- prock


you do realize finished 2nd on teh team in pts, and 1st in goals, despite missing nearly a month to play in the world jrs.

again, classic example of prock ignoring facts.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 26 @ 9:27 AM ET
you do realize finished 2nd on teh team in pts, and 1st in goals, despite missing nearly a month to play in the world jrs.

again, classic example of prock ignoring facts.

- sensarmy_11


All Prock wants is to avoid any discussion that involves a realistic discussion of the fragile psyche and performance of the Leafs. He simply says outrageous things to draw the conversation away from Leaf reality.

For example, he will not discuss the fact that Kadri was on the ice for all three goals scored by the B Sens. Or, he will not acknowledge the Leafs were outshot 70-49 over the two games (a key point in the Augello blog). He attacks as a matter of misdirection and avoidance. But, he usually projects his anxiety about the Leafs in most of his comments. When he says something hostile about a Senator player it is really about his Leaf anxiety.

He would not understand it himself but his irrational attack on Lazar tells you more about t his thinking of Leaf concerns. For example, we see a good young player with a 200' game, perhaps it has something to do with............
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 26 @ 9:39 AM ET
Beyond idiotic. Now your even arguing with the reasoning of the coach of the Memorial Cup champions. Samuelson did not even get the invite to play for Team USA at the WJC. Just about every coach has said about Lazar:

“Curtis is one of those players that at the end of the night, you look at the scoresheet you might not see his name, but you look back at the game tape and he did a lot of things.”

In addition to actually putting up great numbers he plays a 200' game. He is as valuable for his ability to shut down and out score the opposing teams top player.

I keep forgetting you think Bozak is better than Turris.

- spatso

You realize when you hype the kid this way, you raise expectations and the possibility that the kid will disappoint because he is not an instant superstar.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Sep 26 @ 9:41 AM ET
All Prock wants is to avoid any discussion that involves a realistic discussion of the fragile psyche and performance of the Leafs. He simply says outrageous things to draw the conversation away from Leaf reality.

For example, he will not discuss the fact that Kadri was on the ice for all three goals scored by the B Sens. Or, he will not acknowledge the Leafs were outshot 70-49 over the two games (a key point in the Augello blog). He attacks as a matter of misdirection and avoidance. But, he usually projects his anxiety about the Leafs in most of his comments. When he says something hostile about a Senator player it is really about his Leaf anxiety.

He would not understand it himself but his irrational attack on Lazar tells you more about t his thinking of Leaf concerns. For example, we see a good young player with a 200' game, perhaps it has something to do with............

- spatso



Love how you think this is relevant in any way. He was on the ice during pp when franson made a horrendous giveaway causing a breakaway from the offensive blueline that the goalie looked weak on. Kadri must be terrible defensively if you had bothered to watch the game you'd know that outside of the one bad giveaway (which isn't a sign of defensive ability) he was actually really good defensively in that game. Made lots of plays in the defensive zone.
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