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sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Sep 25 @ 12:13 PM ET
Their goal production at the pro level is almost identical.

Leivo wins in point production.

Who do you take, a guy with 29 goals, and 52 points, or a guy with 30 goals and 48?

And since spastic's so big on +/-, let's add in that the first guy is a +6, while the other is -11.

- Feeling Glucky?


so one is slightly better in goals, one is slightly better in pts........like i said, they're very comparable players. my point wasn't that one was better than the other....my point was that, as usual, prock is out to lunch claiming that leivo is WITHOUT QUESTION the far superior player who has outproduced puempel at every level.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 25 @ 12:13 PM ET
hahaha. While I can understand why you're getting a little hurt here, what do you have to base that on? Anything? Or are you just pulling stupid crap out of your a$$?
- prock

All Leivo's assists were secondary. All puempel a were primary.

Puempel is an elite level playmaker :p
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 25 @ 12:14 PM ET
hahaha. While I can understand why you're getting a little hurt here, what do you have to base that on? Anything? Or are you just pulling stupid crap out of your a$$?
- prock


From the guy who believes Bozak is better center than Turris.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Sep 25 @ 12:15 PM ET
hahaha. While I can understand why you're getting a little hurt here, what do you have to base that on? Anything? Or are you just pulling stupid crap out of your a$$?
- prock


what did you have to base yoru statement that leivo drastically outproduced puempel in jr's?

or are you implying that every single one of his assists was a primary assist?

i base my opinion on logic, as in it's logical to assume that a fair number of his assists were likely secondary assits.

you base your opinions on, well, nothing..........and it's evident when your opinions are shown to wrong when acutally looking at the numbers.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 25 @ 12:16 PM ET
All Leivo's assists were secondary. All puempel a were primary.

Puempel is an elite level playmaker :p

- Feeling Glucky?


No Puemple is a goal scorer. A very good scorer. All the other stuff is just fluff.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Sep 25 @ 12:17 PM ET
so one is slightly better in goals, one is slightly better in pts........like i said, they're very comparable players. my point wasn't that one was better than the other....my point was that, as usual, prock is out to lunch claiming that leivo is WITHOUT QUESTION the far superior player who has outproduced puempel at every level.
- sensarmy_11



I see. So you're willing to concede that he's been far better than Puempel at every level, just not that he's far superior.

Sure, I'll compromise. He's better. But not by far. Not really close, not too far. Kind of like a medium distance.

Don't ever try claim I'm not reasonable.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Sep 25 @ 12:17 PM ET
Well, I'm sure if Lazar had been good enough to make the u18s, you'd care


Edit: and the league Nylander played in the most when he wasn't in the super-elit was the Swedish equivalent of the AHL, so still a professional men's league, not a junior team. And he was over ppg there.

- Feeling Glucky?


i have a hard time believing that the "AHL" of the swedish elite leauge is any better than the CHL. i believe that the players are older, but probably less skilled.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 25 @ 12:18 PM ET
so one is slightly better in goals, one is slightly better in pts........like i said, they're very comparable players. my point wasn't that one was better than the other....my point was that, as usual, prock is out to lunch claiming that leivo is WITHOUT QUESTION the far superior player who has outproduced puempel at every level.
- sensarmy_11

I was pointing out that the laughies were unnecessary on your part.

Leivo could very well be better than puempel, or the other way around.



But I highly doubt you'll find too many GMs willing to trade a guy who projects to be a 2nd/3rd liner, who's never played against men for a guy who projected to be a top 6 player, who's already shown he can produce in professional leagues
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Sep 25 @ 12:18 PM ET
From the guy who believes Bozak is better center than Turris.
- spatso



He is. You'll figure that out this year.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 25 @ 12:19 PM ET
i have a hard time believing that the "AHL" of the swedish elite leauge is any better than the CHL. i believe that the players are older, but probably less skilled.
- sensarmy_11

Well, of course you'd believe that
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Sep 25 @ 12:19 PM ET
He is. You'll figure that out this year.
- prock
Come on you say this kind of stuff every year
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Sep 25 @ 12:19 PM ET
what did you have to base yoru statement that leivo drastically outproduced puempel in jr's?

or are you implying that every single one of his assists was a primary assist?

i base my opinion on logic, as in it's logical to assume that a fair number of his assists were likely secondary assits.

you base your opinions on, well, nothing..........and it's evident when your opinions are shown to wrong when acutally looking at the numbers.

- sensarmy_11



I'm asking you what you based that on. You haven't answered. You just deflected. It would have been a lot easier for you, if you just answered "yes, I was talking out of my a$$".
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 25 @ 12:20 PM ET
what did you have to base yoru statement that leivo drastically outproduced puempel in jr's?

or are you implying that every single one of his assists was a primary assist?

i base my opinion on logic, as in it's logical to assume that a fair number of his assists were likely secondary assits.

you base your opinions on, well, nothing..........and it's evident when your opinions are shown to wrong when acutally looking at the numbers.

- sensarmy_11


Don't try and argue logic with them. This is their answer to the Leafs losing both games last night. They fudge, deflect and avoid. They prefer to discuss details rather than substance. They believe the Leafs have always finished ahead of the Sens in the standings, just like last year.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Sep 25 @ 12:21 PM ET
Come on you say this kind of stuff every year

- top shelf 15



Yes, I've said stuff like "I'd rather have Kadri than Cowen", every year. And those have turned out to be wise things.

You guys have only been yapping about Turris for half a season, as he cracked 40 points for the first time in his career. Which isn't anything special to begin with. But I guess with nothing else to cling on to, Sens fans clung on to him.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Sep 25 @ 12:21 PM ET
Don't try and argue logic with them.
- spatso


For your own sake, that's good advice.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Sep 25 @ 12:24 PM ET
I'm asking you what you based that on. You haven't answered. You just deflected. It would have been a lot easier for you, if you just answered "yes, I was talking out of my a$$".
- prock


actually, i told you exactly what i based it on...........logic. unless, like i said, you believe all his assits were primary assits.

it seems fair to base my opinion on that, since every opinion you have has virtually no evidence to back it up, and in fact, often times the numbers show the exact opposite.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 25 @ 12:25 PM ET
Yes, I've said stuff like "I'd rather have Kadri than Cowen", every year. And those have turned out to be wise things.

You guys have only been yapping about Turris for half a season, as he cracked 40 points for the first time in his career. Which isn't anything special to begin with. But I guess with nothing else to cling on to, Sens fans clung on to him.

- prock


You realize Kadri was on the ice for all 3 goals scored by the B Sens? In the same game Cowen played 24 minutes and ended the night +1.
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Sep 25 @ 12:26 PM ET
Yes, I've said stuff like "I'd rather have Kadri than Cowen", every year. And those have turned out to be wise things.

You guys have only been yapping about Turris for half a season, as he cracked 40 points for the first time in his career. Which isn't anything special to begin with. But I guess with nothing else to cling on to, Sens fans clung on to him.

- prock
Iam bored
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Sep 25 @ 12:38 PM ET
actually, i told you exactly what i based it on...........logic. unless, like i said, you believe all his assits were primary assits.

it seems fair to base my opinion on that, since every opinion you have has virtually no evidence to back it up, and in fact, often times the numbers show the exact opposite.

- sensarmy_11


The majority of his ahl assists were primary by a wide margin. Can you say the same about puempel?
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Sep 25 @ 12:39 PM ET
You realize Kadri was on the ice for all 3 goals scored by the B Sens? In the same game Cowen played 24 minutes and ended the night +1.
- spatso


You give way, way too much importance to a preseason game.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Sep 25 @ 12:43 PM ET
Yeah cant see it tbh .Why would LA fix something that isnt broken
- top shelf 15

my thoughts too.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Sep 25 @ 12:49 PM ET
Right now, Nylander > Lazar.
- prock



A quick look at each players resumes' tell a different story.

One player has gone all the way in the CHL and the Memorial Cup........both the great preperation for the NHL, the other has little playing time in the North American environment



William Nylander
Center
Born May 1 1996 -- Calgary, ALTA
Height 5.11 -- Weight 174 -- Shoots R


Selected by Toronto Maple Leafs round 1 #8 overall 2014 NHL Entry Draft

--- Regular Season --- ---- Playoffs ----
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2012-13 Sodertalje SK Swe-1 8 4 2 6 2
2013-14 Sodertalje SK Swe-1 17 11 8 19 6
2013-14 Rogle BK Swe-1 18 4 4 8 10
2013-14 Modo Hockey Ornskoldsvik SweHL 22 1 6 7 6 -- -- -- -- --
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Curtis Lazar
Center
Born Feb 2 1995 -- Vernon, BC
Height 6.00 -- Weight 205 -- Shoots R


Selected by Ottawa Senators round 1 #17 overall 2013 NHL Entry Draft

--- Regular Season --- ---- Playoffs ----
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2010-11 Edmonton Oil Kings WHL 6 0 1 1 0 4 1 0 1 0
2011-12 Edmonton Oil Kings WHL 63 20 11 31 56 20 8 11 19 4
2012-13 Edmonton Oil Kings WHL 72 38 23 61 47 22 9 2 11 20
2013-14 Edmonton Oil Kings WHL 58 41 35 76 30 21 10 12 22 12

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Sep 25 @ 12:54 PM ET
A quick look at each players resumes' tell a different story.
- Doppleganger



One has played professional hockey.

the other hasn't.

End of story.
Not_Yan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: it's an excellent product, easier, quicker, and even better than real mashed potatoes.
Joined: 04.19.2013

Sep 25 @ 12:55 PM ET

Rundblad > Turris
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 25 @ 1:01 PM ET
A quick look at each players resumes' tell a different story.
- Doppleganger

It really just depends on what you feel is more important.

Success at the pro level or success at the junior level.

Success at the pro level favours both Nylander and Leivo

Success at the junior level favours Puempel and Lazar

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