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Holy-Mackinaw
Location: Loserville, NF
Joined: 02.18.2007

Apr 13 @ 6:30 AM ET
So lets just cancel the playoffs, and award the Stanley Cup to the leafs.
- Doppleganger


Because we know the Sens and Habs are going to win the cup this year.

Joined: 12.31.1969

Apr 13 @ 9:10 AM ET
Habs_homer thinks Gionta is better than Kessel.
- prock


Gionta IS better than Kessel. It doesn't mean that Kessel isn't any good (I can admit his talent even though he plays for Toronto), but Brian Gionta is presently a better hockey player than Phil Kessel.

You just have a hard time believing it because Gionta is a Hab and is the smallest player in the NHL.

hello_there
Joined: 08.12.2006

Apr 13 @ 9:17 AM ET
Gionta IS better than Kessel. It doesn't mean that Kessel isn't any good (I can admit his talent even though he plays for Toronto), but Brian Gionta is presently a better hockey player than Phil Kessel.

You just have a hard time believing it because Gionta is a Hab and is the smallest player in the NHL.

- Discofunk


They will all ignore that Gionta did something Kessel never came close of doing and it's score 48 goals in one season. Even this year, Gionta has a better goal per game ratio than Kessel.
hello_there
Joined: 08.12.2006

Apr 13 @ 9:20 AM ET
Because we know the Sens and Habs are going to win the cup this year.
- Holy-Mackinaw

Oh well they have a better chance than the worst team in the East, the Leafs.
nightmare3020
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Windsor Area, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006

Apr 13 @ 9:53 AM ET

They will all ignore that Gionta did something Kessel never came close of doing and it's score 48 goals in one season. Even this year, Gionta has a better goal per game ratio than Kessel.

- hello_there

by that reasoning chechoo is better then crosby, i mean cheechoo had a 56 goal year, somethign crosby has failed to do
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 13 @ 9:54 AM ET
Gionta IS better than Kessel. It doesn't mean that Kessel isn't any good (I can admit his talent even though he plays for Toronto), but Brian Gionta is presently a better hockey player than Phil Kessel.

You just have a hard time believing it because Gionta is a Hab and is the smallest player in the NHL.

- Discofunk


No, I have a hard time believing it because, like Kessel, his primary purpose is scoring, he's not that great at anything else, and doesn't score as much as Kessel (points). The only reason you think Gionta is better is he is a Hab, and you're a deluded Hab fan.

The poll has already been posted. 94% thought Kessel was better. Probably 10% that took the poll were Hab fans. Probably 100% of non-Hab fans said Kessel. 40% of Hab fans said Kessel. The other 6% are Habs homers.

Gionta is decent. But Kessel is better.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 13 @ 9:56 AM ET

They will all ignore that Gionta did something Kessel never came close of doing and it's score 48 goals in one season. Even this year, Gionta has a better goal per game ratio than Kessel.

- hello_there



HAhahah. YEARS ago. He's never come close to matching it. In fact, he's never broken 30 since. Sure, 4 years ago, Gionta had one better season than Kessel.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 13 @ 10:10 AM ET
Yeah, he is, but that's pretty damn lucky we ended up with a guy like that in the 6th round.
- prock

we're also pretty lucky that the same has been true pretty much every year since the lockout, right?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 13 @ 10:11 AM ET
Oh well they have a better chance than the worst team in the East, the Leafs.
- hello_there

who beat them both in their respective season series.... how do you lose to the worst team in the east?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 13 @ 10:12 AM ET
HAhahah. YEARS ago. He's never come close to matching it. In fact, he's never broken 30 since. Sure, 4 years ago, Gionta had one better season than Kessel.
- prock

isn't htat when Gomez was also considered a decent player?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 13 @ 10:13 AM ET
isn't htat when Gomez was also considered a decent player?
- Feeling Glucky?



it's been a long time, yeah. $12.5M is a lot to pay for a second line goal scorer and a 3rd line centre.

Joined: 12.31.1969

Apr 13 @ 10:13 AM ET
No, I have a hard time believing it because, like Kessel, his primary purpose is scoring, he's not that great at anything else, and doesn't score as much as Kessel (points). The only reason you think Gionta is better is he is a Hab, and you're a deluded Hab fan.

The poll has already been posted. 94% thought Kessel was better. Probably 10% that took the poll were Hab fans. Probably 100% of non-Hab fans said Kessel. 40% of Hab fans said Kessel. The other 6% are Habs homers.

Gionta is decent. But Kessel is better.

- prock




Gionta is a better all-around player than Kessel. Kessel doesn't go to the net like Gionta does, he doesn't backcheck like Gionta does, and he doesn't hustle as much either.

I'm not taking anything away from the kid though...Kessel is a more offensively-gifted player than Gionta and will soon be a perennial 40 goal scorer, and his staking is on par with some of the better skaters in the NHL.

But at this point in time, Gionta is a better player...and trust me, I'm not just saying that because of the team he plays for. I would have said the same last season when Kessel was in Boston & Gionta was in New Jersey.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 13 @ 10:17 AM ET


Gionta is a better all-around player than Kessel. Kessel doesn't go to the net like Gionta does, he doesn't backcheck like Gionta does, and he doesn't hustle as much either.

I'm not taking anything away from the kid though...Kessel is a more offensively-gifted player than Gionta and will soon be a perennial 40 goal scorer, and his staking is on par with some of the better skaters in the NHL.

But at this point in time, Gionta is a better player...and trust me, I'm not just saying that because of the team he plays for. I would have said the same last season when Kessel was in Boston & Gionta was in New Jersey.

- Discofunk

well one's a youngster, and the other is a veteran... something tells me if any team was offered Kessel for Gionta they'd take it.
hello_there
Joined: 08.12.2006

Apr 13 @ 10:25 AM ET
HAhahah. YEARS ago. He's never come close to matching it. In fact, he's never broken 30 since. Sure, 4 years ago, Gionta had one better season than Kessel.
- prock

THIS YEAR also, Gionta had a better season than Kessel.
hello_there
Joined: 08.12.2006

Apr 13 @ 10:27 AM ET
well one's a youngster, and the other is a veteran... something tells me if any team was offered Kessel for Gionta they'd take it.
- Feeling Glucky?

You're missing the point.
AT THE MOMENT, Gionta is better than Kessel.
3 years from now, that's another story.
nightmare3020
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Windsor Area, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006

Apr 13 @ 10:30 AM ET
THIS YEAR also, Gionta had a better season than Kessel.
- hello_there

while i know this is your pathetic attempt at trolling ill bite

that is very arguable

montreal - a playoff team, with much more depth, which means secondary points. Gionta had the likes of gomez, cammaller, plekanec, and so on

toronto - dead last. kessel had all first or 2nd year players. Most his goals he was the main reason, where gionta had the luxury of having some help
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 13 @ 10:32 AM ET


Gionta is a better all-around player than Kessel. Kessel doesn't go to the net like Gionta does, he doesn't backcheck like Gionta does, and he doesn't hustle as much either.

I'm not taking anything away from the kid though...Kessel is a more offensively-gifted player than Gionta and will soon be a perennial 40 goal scorer, and his staking is on par with some of the better skaters in the NHL.

But at this point in time, Gionta is a better player...and trust me, I'm not just saying that because of the team he plays for. I would have said the same last season when Kessel was in Boston & Gionta was in New Jersey.

- Discofunk


I'd say you're mistaken. I was surprised at how much Kessel backchecks, and gets back into the play this year. He got back, with his speed, and broke up several plays this year. If you're saying he doesn't, you're wrong. I'm not saying he's a great defensive player, but those that think it isn't something he does are wrong.

As far as hustling, you're dead wrong about that too. Not being able to work out last summer, and missing pre-season, coming in 10 games into the season probably didn't help, but he definitely did work his a$$ off this year. It was a pretty regular occurence seeing him get to the bench completely out of gas. The increase in icetime, and lack of prep he was able to do for this season probably hindered his fitness level, but he definitely is not a half-effort guy.
hello_there
Joined: 08.12.2006

Apr 13 @ 10:33 AM ET
while i know this is your pathetic attempt at trolling ill bite

that is very arguable

montreal - a playoff team, with much more depth, which means secondary points. Gionta had the likes of gomez, cammaller, plekanec, and so on

toronto - dead last. kessel had all first or 2nd year players. Most his goals he was the main reason, where gionta had the luxury of having some help

- nightmare3020

A whole different system also where defense is more important than offense in Montreal.

Also less PP time since there are other players deserving to get some.

PS: Your other fellow Leafs fans think Gomez is crap and actually prock thinks Stajan is better... it does not help you here.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 13 @ 10:33 AM ET
You're missing the point.
AT THE MOMENT, Gionta is better than Kessel.
3 years from now, that's another story.

- hello_there



And you're missing the point. Despite his age, no, he's not.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Apr 13 @ 10:36 AM ET
are you kidding its gonna be great to watch habs and sens get spanked. the sens might put up a fight but the habs are all done.
- sniper12



Sad that all leaf fans, like yourself, spent all year looking forward to seeing the Senators and the Canadiens fail in the playoffs.

prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 13 @ 10:37 AM ET
A whole different system also where defense is more important than offense in Montreal.

Also less PP time since there are other players deserving to get some.

PS: Your other fellow Leafs fans think Gomez is crap and actually prock thinks Stajan is better... it does not help you here.

- hello_there



No, no, no. I never said Stajan was better. They're roughly equal.


Take a look, ALL the stats indicate that. Both offensively and defensively, everything seems to say that they're roughly equal players. I know you're going to say crap like "yeah, but Gomez brings leadership", or "well, you just have to watch them play", but the fact is, Gomez's best days are long behind him, and your impression of him being a better player is mostly based on that. "You have to watch them play" has some truth to it, as not everything appears on a scoresheet, but this is something people say when they really can't back up what they say with a shred of evidence.
nightmare3020
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Windsor Area, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006

Apr 13 @ 10:47 AM ET
gomez isnt a top flight player, but hes a hell of alot better then hanson, mitchell, wallin, and so on the leafs have

bozak has gotten progressively better over the year but even then he only dressed in 37 games.

Joined: 12.31.1969

Apr 13 @ 10:58 AM ET
I'd say you're mistaken. I was surprised at how much Kessel backchecks, and gets back into the play this year. He got back, with his speed, and broke up several plays this year. If you're saying he doesn't, you're wrong. I'm not saying he's a great defensive player, but those that think it isn't something he does are wrong.

As far as hustling, you're dead wrong about that too. Not being able to work out last summer, and missing pre-season, coming in 10 games into the season probably didn't help, but he definitely did work his a$$ off this year. It was a pretty regular occurence seeing him get to the bench completely out of gas. The increase in icetime, and lack of prep he was able to do for this season probably hindered his fitness level, but he definitely is not a half-effort guy.

- prock


That's cool - we can agree to disagree.

But I didn't say that Kessel didn't hustle or backcheck - what I said is that Gionta does these things better & more steadily than Kessel...which shouldn't come as a surprise since Gionta is a veteran player, while Kessel is still finding his niche in the NHL.

Kessel will no doubt become a very good player on top of just being a scoring threat (he's already pretty damn good). But I still maintain that Gionta is a harder working player because he wasn't hyped like Kessel was when entering the NHL, and being the league's smallest player, he has to continuously work his ass off to prove people wrong.
Holy-Mackinaw
Location: Loserville, NF
Joined: 02.18.2007

Apr 13 @ 12:23 PM ET
Oh well they have a better chance than the worst team in the East, the Leafs.
- hello_there


Not really... they can't even win a series against the worst team in the east. So they probably don't have much of a chance against the best teams.
Holy-Mackinaw
Location: Loserville, NF
Joined: 02.18.2007

Apr 13 @ 12:25 PM ET
Sad that all leaf fans, like yourself, spent all year looking forward to seeing the Senators and the Canadiens fail in the playoffs.


- Doppleganger



It was funny the first 6 times you posted that.

There should never be tension though for choke artists.
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