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prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 27 @ 6:24 PM ET
OILERS
- Nucker101


This talk about craig button being a decent journalist has to stop right now. At this point hes not even in the same league as bob mackenzie, or even elliot froedman. Hes more like steve simmons or that fat idiot from ottawa bruce garrioch.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Oct 27 @ 9:29 PM ET
Where's Sh!tso?
- winsix

trollin ya in da Leafs thread
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Mitch Marner is Simon Gimache, circa 2005.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Oct 28 @ 7:57 AM ET
This talk about craig button being a decent journalist has to stop right now. At this point hes not even in the same league as bob mackenzie, or even elliot froedman. Hes more like steve simmons or that fat idiot from ottawa bruce garrioch.
- prock


While this is true, Button is also correct about Matthews.

prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 28 @ 8:27 AM ET
While this is true, Button is also correct about Matthews.
- Aetherial


Not top 5? Sure.

Butbhes better than leon draisaitl.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Mitch Marner is Simon Gimache, circa 2005.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Oct 28 @ 10:43 AM ET
Not top 5? Sure.

Butbhes better than leon draisaitl.

- prock


based on what? Sorry but there is nothing to suggest he is better than Draisaitl right now. You cannot credit McDavid with all of Draisaitl's success.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 28 @ 12:02 PM ET
based on what? Sorry but there is nothing to suggest he is better than Draisaitl right now. You cannot credit McDavid with all of Draisaitl's success.
- Aetherial


You can credit a hell of a lot of it. Have you seen his numbers with/without McDavid?

In something like 600 minutes without McDavid last year, he scored 18 points or so. The other 85 were scored with McDavid.

It's pretty crazy how much his production drops off without McDavid. Same with the year before. He barely scores anything at all without McDavid.
Nucker101
Location: #FreePierre
Joined: 09.26.2010

Oct 28 @ 4:12 PM ET
You can credit a hell of a lot of it. Have you seen his numbers with/without McDavid?

In something like 600 minutes without McDavid last year, he scored 18 points or so. The other 85 were scored with McDavid.

It's pretty crazy how much his production drops off without McDavid. Same with the year before. He barely scores anything at all without McDavid.

- prock

This gets said all of the time, but it goes both ways.

These are their goal scoring rates at 5v5 per 60 minutes since 2017 until today:

McDavid + Drai = 4.13
McDavid w/o Drai = 2.92
Drai w/0 McDavid = 2.24
Oilers without either of them = 1.48


Seems like a case of 2 elite players being surrounded by..





winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
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Oct 29 @ 9:28 AM ET
trollin ya in da Leafs thread
- golfingsince


GOLFING SINCE

1971

Thanks (it needs work, but we'll get there)
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Oct 29 @ 11:33 AM ET
This gets said all of the time, but it goes both ways.

These are their goal scoring rates at 5v5 per 60 minutes since 2017 until today:

McDavid + Drai = 4.13
McDavid w/o Drai = 2.92
Drai w/0 McDavid = 2.24
Oilers without either of them = 1.48


Seems like a case of 2 elite players being surrounded by..






- Nucker101


so they score 0.7 better with just Drai on the ice (and as you say, that's with pure manure on ice), but 1.44 better with just McD.

I don't know, I would think an "elite" player would be able to lift production more than that.

In fact, I do'nt think that's really far off RNH's stats without either.
senstroll
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Nov 4 @ 3:23 PM ET
this is just the latest installment of who is better than who.

its just depends on who is on the latest hot streak, once AM heats up and goes on a scoring bender...we have to update the storyline, thats just how it works

I think LD is at an advantage having CM a clear step up... while AM is the best on his team.

if you took CM and put him on the Leafs and removed say Nylander..and gave some time with AM and CM together...wonder what happens
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 4 @ 3:54 PM ET
this is just the latest installment of who is better than who.

its just depends on who is on the latest hot streak, once AM heats up and goes on a scoring bender...we have to update the storyline, thats just how it works

I think LD is at an advantage having CM a clear step up... while AM is the best on his team.

if you took CM and put him on the Leafs and removed say Nylander..and gave some time with AM and CM together...wonder what happens

- senstroll



AM and McD would be the most dominent duo the league has seen in years. I'm guessing 60 goals for Matthews minimum, and 80 or 90 assists for McD.
daws44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 02.08.2010

Nov 4 @ 7:31 PM ET
You can credit a hell of a lot of it. Have you seen his numbers with/without McDavid?

In something like 600 minutes without McDavid last year, he scored 18 points or so. The other 85 were scored with McDavid.

It's pretty crazy how much his production drops off without McDavid. Same with the year before. He barely scores anything at all without McDavid.

- prock

But, just hear me out on this one,....
Whatabout mcdavids numbers without drai?
daws44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 02.08.2010

Nov 4 @ 7:33 PM ET
This gets said all of the time, but it goes both ways.

These are their goal scoring rates at 5v5 per 60 minutes since 2017 until today:

McDavid + Drai = 4.13
McDavid w/o Drai = 2.92
Drai w/0 McDavid = 2.24
Oilers without either of them = 1.48


Seems like a case of 2 elite players being surrounded by..






- Nucker101

Bingo
daws44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 02.08.2010

Nov 4 @ 7:41 PM ET
AM and McD would be the most dominent duo the league has seen in years. I'm guessing 60 goals for Matthews minimum, and 80 or 90 assists for McD.
- prock

So. Mcdavid does all the puck retrieval?
Kassian or Hyman on the other wing?
haywoodjablome
Joined: 05.09.2014

Nov 16 @ 10:32 AM ET
the MIGHTY leafs, who were supposedly a pre-season cup contender, now have more losses than sens, and only 1 more win.

the leafs are EASILY the biggest disappointment and train wreck of a franchise in the NHL. Your coach is brutally overrated, your GM forgot that teams also need to try and keep the puck out of the net, and the players on this team are the softest and most spineless group of players in the league.

this team will be lucky to make the playoffs .
kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: scrambled off to florida to transition
Joined: 09.29.2005

Nov 16 @ 2:17 PM ET
the MIGHTY leafs, who were supposedly a pre-season cup contender, now have more losses than sens, and only 1 more win.

the leafs are EASILY the biggest disappointment and train wreck of a franchise in the NHL. Your coach is brutally overrated, your GM forgot that teams also need to try and keep the puck out of the net, and the players on this team are the softest and most spineless group of players in the league.

this team will be lucky to make the playoffs .

- haywoodjablome

lol
Nucker101
Location: #FreePierre
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 16 @ 5:02 PM ET
the MIGHTY leafs, who were supposedly a pre-season cup contender, now have more losses than sens, and only 1 more win.

the leafs are EASILY the biggest disappointment and train wreck of a franchise in the NHL. Your coach is brutally overrated, your GM forgot that teams also need to try and keep the puck out of the net, and the players on this team are the softest and most spineless group of players in the league.

this team will be lucky to make the playoffs .

- haywoodjablome


got damn
kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: scrambled off to florida to transition
Joined: 09.29.2005

Nov 16 @ 11:20 PM ET
got damn
- Nucker101

they just keep making fools of themselves.
haywoodjablome
Joined: 05.09.2014

Nov 17 @ 8:45 AM ET
they just keep making fools of themselves.
- kicksave856


Agreed......the leafs have been making fools of themselves since the drop of the puck in game 1, and it’s getting worse every game.
kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: scrambled off to florida to transition
Joined: 09.29.2005

Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM ET
Agreed......the leafs have been making fools of themselves since the drop of the puck in game 1, and it’s getting worse every game.
- haywoodjablome

i'm not even a fan of either team and this is the most entertaining thread on the sight.

it's like they need leaf fans to know that they're burnt up and thinking about them all the time. lol
haywoodjablome
Joined: 05.09.2014

Nov 17 @ 1:14 PM ET
i'm not even a fan of either team and this is the most entertaining thread on the sight.

it's like they need leaf fans to know that they're burnt up and thinking about them all the time. lol

- kicksave856


I’m also not a fan of either team, but this is where the biggest homer/idiot leaf fans like to post.......hence it’s the best place to mock the extreme failure of their team.
kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: scrambled off to florida to transition
Joined: 09.29.2005

Nov 17 @ 1:22 PM ET
I’m also not a fan of either team, but this is where the biggest homer/idiot leaf fans like to post.......hence it’s the best place to mock the extreme failure of their team.
- haywoodjablome

i mean i guess carry on if you're that affected by them. do you, man.
Not_Yan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: it's an excellent product, easier, quicker, and even better than real mashed potatoes.
Joined: 04.19.2013

Nov 18 @ 11:15 AM ET

HABS
kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: scrambled off to florida to transition
Joined: 09.29.2005

Nov 18 @ 11:25 AM ET
that honestly is the best answer yet.
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: definitely not daeth, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Nov 20 @ 12:40 AM ET
LEAFS
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