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BlueBallz
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: You lie to everyone else and soon enough you begin believing your own lies. - spatso, ON
Joined: 07.06.2012

Apr 30 @ 11:39 AM ET
Sens cant even tank properly

What a spot they are in. if they keep the pick they pretty much have to keep Karlsson or next season will be worse

- senstroll

If they move this year's pick (they should) they're signaling to their dozens of fans that next year will in fact be worse (it will) and an already flaky fan base will buy even fewer tickets. I don't see that going over well with Ebenezer Melnyk.

As you said this will necessitate keeping Karlsson and missing out on a potential treasure trove of future assets. It won't be as much as it would have been if they had the wherewithal to move him before this year's deadline but when he walks away for nothing along with Duchene it will be catastrophic.

They'll still have Hoffman for another year but will have to deal him or lose him for nothing because he won't have any reason to stay.

At that point they'll still be paying part of Phaneuf's salary to not play there for another year and have Bobby Ryan for an additional 2 years at a 7.5 cap hit. And who knows how much they'll have to overpay Stone this year as an RFA to stay with such a hapless organization which has demonstrated time and again they have no idea what they're doing.

Not a good situation.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: If you dish it out, you should be able to take it. - D0PPELGANGER
Joined: 06.30.2006

Apr 30 @ 2:07 PM ET
If they move this year's pick (they should) they're signaling to their dozens of fans that next year will in fact be worse (it will) and an already flaky fan base will buy even fewer tickets. I don't see that going over well with Ebenezer Melnyk.

As you said this will necessitate keeping Karlsson and missing out on a potential treasure trove of future assets. It won't be as much as it would have been if they had the wherewithal to move him before this year's deadline but when he walks away for nothing along with Duchene it will be catastrophic.

They'll still have Hoffman for another year but will have to deal him or lose him for nothing because he won't have any reason to stay.

At that point they'll still be paying part of Phaneuf's salary to not play there for another year and have Bobby Ryan for an additional 2 years at a 7.5 cap hit. And who knows how much they'll have to overpay Stone this year as an RFA to stay with such a hapless organization which has demonstrated time and again they have no idea what they're doing.

Not a good situation.

- BlueBallz


I can't even figure out what they *should* do. The whole situation is just a clusterfrank.

GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Apr 30 @ 2:11 PM ET
Sens cant even tank properly

What a spot they are in. if they keep the pick they pretty much have to keep Karlsson or next season will be worse

- senstroll


Or keep Karlsson and help the tank. Since he's a complete dumpster fire in his own end.

And since their goaltending isn't improving, he's guaranteed to help his goalies get scored on.

Trade the 1st this year and next year finish last and at worst they're guaranteed the same spot in the draft. Trade Karlsson at the deadline and get more than he's worth. Win/win for Ottawa.
senstroll
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Apr 30 @ 2:14 PM ET
the leafs empty GM chair is still a better GM than Pierre Dioron
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: If you dish it out, you should be able to take it. - D0PPELGANGER
Joined: 06.30.2006

Apr 30 @ 2:26 PM ET
the leafs empty GM chair is still a better GM than Pierre Dioron
- senstroll


Senstroll...

what do you do with Karlsson if you are GM.
How much do you spend on him, or where would you trade him? What would you do with this year's pick?

I say, keep this year's pick, and anything up to 10 million, I pay him.

It is the only way I see to

1) Not be embarrassed by the pick they have to give up (assuming they can be better next year)

2) Have any hope of retaining or attracting other players.

The only other option is blow it up. give up this year's pick and hope to replace it with a pick or two next year and be prepared for the idea that Duchene will walk and Stone will walk as soon as he can.
senstroll
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Apr 30 @ 3:29 PM ET
Senstroll...

what do you do with Karlsson if you are GM.
How much do you spend on him, or where would you trade him? What would you do with this year's pick?

I say, keep this year's pick, and anything up to 10 million, I pay him.

It is the only way I see to

1) Not be embarrassed by the pick they have to give up (assuming they can be better next year)

2) Have any hope of retaining or attracting other players.

The only other option is blow it up. give up this year's pick and hope to replace it with a pick or two next year and be prepared for the idea that Duchene will walk and Stone will walk as soon as he can.

- Aetherial


If I was GM and had no owner breathing down my neck, I consider giving them this years pick. Start a tear down, they could get a monster return for Karlsson, and save some face with the return of multiple good picks.

i would also trade Ceci and Hoffman for whatever picks and prospects I could get.
they could do a quasi quick'ish rebuild and not get rid of all the talent like the Leafs who kept JVR, Kadri, Gardiner and Bozak. So I would keep stone he is only 25 and obviously chabot. Duchense would be a tough one, if he is too expensive move him for more picks. maybe shoot for a high pick in 2019 and 2020.. Alexis Lafrenière is looking like another very high end player.

the key too a good tank is crappy Goaltending,,its sucks to suck for that long but it also sucks to be mediocre forever

BlueBallz
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: You lie to everyone else and soon enough you begin believing your own lies. - spatso, ON
Joined: 07.06.2012

May 1 @ 5:38 PM ET
Boucher and all his staff staying on board for next year. Looks like the tank is on. Why else would you keep them? Maybe they will trade Karlsson and give away the 4th overall this year after all.

Possibly a marginally better situation.
senstroll
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

May 2 @ 7:55 AM ET
Boucher and all his staff staying on board for next year. Looks like the tank is on. Why else would you keep them? Maybe they will trade Karlsson and give away the 4th overall this year after all.

Possibly a marginally better situation.

- BlueBallz


I assume to save money. Fire and rehire a new staff cost more money. They were talking on the radio here that Boucher basically had to re-interview for the job he already has

I dont think Boucher is a bad coach, he is just in a bad situation
BlueBallz
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: You lie to everyone else and soon enough you begin believing your own lies. - spatso, ON
Joined: 07.06.2012

May 2 @ 8:36 AM ET
I assume to save money. Fire and rehire a new staff cost more money. They were talking on the radio here that Boucher basically had to re-interview for the job he already has

I dont think Boucher is a bad coach, he is just in a bad situation

- senstroll

Oh, that's right. I forgot that coach salaries must be paid unless they are hired by another team. And who would hire a guy that went from the ECF (despite it being a total fluke) to bottom feeder?

Yeah, there's no way Melnyk is going to pay two guys to do a job one guy can (frank) up all by himself.

Not a good situation.
senstroll
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

May 11 @ 9:48 AM ET
Dubas GM of the Leafs
Dorion GM of the Sens

Both good for the Leafs
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: If you dish it out, you should be able to take it. - D0PPELGANGER
Joined: 06.30.2006

May 11 @ 10:37 AM ET
Dubas GM of the Leafs
Dorion GM of the Sens

Both good for the Leafs

- senstroll


Can't wait for him to employ his Yost-like logic to the value of draft picks.
senstroll
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

May 11 @ 11:19 AM ET
Can't wait for him to employ his Yost-like logic to the value of draft picks.
- Aetherial


Like Dubas/Hunter did in the 2015 draft. No doubt they will use something like that
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: LE > MacDavid (on a length of contract/ $ amount adjusted per points less variable corsi)- canuckdon
Joined: 03.14.2014

May 11 @ 11:21 AM ET
Like Dubas/Hunter did in the 2015 draft. No doubt they will use something like that
- senstroll


25 for 35 and 38 from mtl.
Kyle Dubas
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 05.16.2018

May 16 @ 12:20 PM ET
Leafs are in a better situation
Kyle Dubas
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 05.16.2018

May 16 @ 12:21 PM ET
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: If you dish it out, you should be able to take it. - D0PPELGANGER
Joined: 06.30.2006

May 16 @ 12:29 PM ET

- Kyle Dubas


Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: LE > MacDavid (on a length of contract/ $ amount adjusted per points less variable corsi)- canuckdon
Joined: 03.14.2014

May 16 @ 5:20 PM ET
Leafs are in a better situation
- Kyle Dubas


i heard on tsn that the leafs are going to offer carlsson a 9 year 120M contract.

i think that would be mistake.
BlueBallz
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: You lie to everyone else and soon enough you begin believing your own lies. - spatso, ON
Joined: 07.06.2012

May 16 @ 6:41 PM ET
i heard on tsn that the leafs are going to offer carlsson a 9 year 120M contract.

i think that would be mistake.

- Tumbleweed

Bigger mistake than the contract the Leafs gave to Shattenkirk?
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: LE > MacDavid (on a length of contract/ $ amount adjusted per points less variable corsi)- canuckdon
Joined: 03.14.2014

May 16 @ 6:42 PM ET
Bigger mistake than the contract the Leafs gave to Shattenkirk?
- BlueBallz


lay off. it's not my rumor. it's tsn's.

but yes, a bigger mistake than that. loafs never learn.
BlueBallz
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: You lie to everyone else and soon enough you begin believing your own lies. - spatso, ON
Joined: 07.06.2012

May 16 @ 7:40 PM ET
lay off. it's not my rumor. it's tsn's.

but yes, a bigger mistake than that. loafs never learn.

- Tumbleweed

Stoopid laffs.
senstroll
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

May 17 @ 9:14 AM ET
Leafs are in a better situation
- Kyle Dubas


Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: LE > MacDavid (on a length of contract/ $ amount adjusted per points less variable corsi)- canuckdon
Joined: 03.14.2014

May 17 @ 6:49 PM ET
I don't think Duchene is a target for anyone anymore. His end of season performance and World Championship efforts has given some real doubt into his actual appeal.
- spatso


agreed.

any more summer talk going on?
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: If you dish it out, you should be able to take it. - D0PPELGANGER
Joined: 06.30.2006

May 17 @ 8:16 PM ET
Bigger mistake than the contract the Leafs gave to Shattenkirk?
- BlueBallz


That signing was a disaster. Signing Shattenkirk was why Shanny fired Lou.
BlueBallz
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: You lie to everyone else and soon enough you begin believing your own lies. - spatso, ON
Joined: 07.06.2012

May 17 @ 8:24 PM ET
That signing was a disaster. Signing Shattenkirk was why Shanny fired Lou.
- Aetherial

At least there's only 7 years and $84 million left.
BlueBallz
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: You lie to everyone else and soon enough you begin believing your own lies. - spatso, ON
Joined: 07.06.2012

May 19 @ 6:38 PM ET
Sens blogger leaving the site. Leafs blogger is still MiB.

Might have to give the edge to the Sens on this one.
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